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50 Power Poles Explode (again) in Texas Hill Country

 
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Anyone else finding the official explanation a little hard to swallow?
[link to www.statesman.com]

About 20,000 Central Texans were left without power early Friday as a mixture of lingering dust from dry weather and a steady flow of overnight drizzle wreaked havoc for local electric utilities and their customers.
The muddy mixture helped trigger power surges and smoldering fires atop dozens of power poles, leading to the outages.
Austin Energy saw about 10,000 customer outages as a result of 50 power pole fires, the most recorded by the electric provider in more than a decade, Clark said.
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Wash rinse repeat.its cheaper to import the materialsbanana2
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Wash rinse repeat.its cheaper to import the materialsbanana2
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...and just pass the cost of repairs on to the consumer?
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Re: 50 Power Poles Explode (again) in Texas Hill Country
I guess they most have missed a spot: chemtrail fail.
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I guess they most have missed a spot: chemtrail fail.
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Meaning the chemtrails are a factor in the power pole fires?
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Yeah, not buying it either. I live in the Austin area & it's been hot & dry for the better part of 2 1/2 years, yet this only starts happening in the last 3-4 weeks & ONLY in Central Texas?! Nah, not buying it! spock putin
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No; definitely not. Remember, the micro reflects the macro.
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I guess they mUst have missed a spot: chemtrail fail.
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Meaning the chemtrails are a factor in the power pole fires?
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Yes, sort of. There's a theory that's been kicked around here on GLP that the chemtrails are to protect the earth from what the sun (or other object) is throwing at us.
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Meaning, if an outside source is affecting this planet, thise effects will be small in size at the beginning.
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No; definitely not. Remember, the micro reflects the macro.
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"As above, so below," eh?

Makes sense in a way, this phenomenon seems to have a 'metaphysical' aspect to it that may elude any logical explanation.
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I guess they mUst have missed a spot: chemtrail fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31064652


Meaning the chemtrails are a factor in the power pole fires?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14516845


Yes, sort of. There's a theory that's been kicked around here on GLP that the chemtrails are to protect the earth from what the sun (or other object) is throwing at us.
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Well, as a former resident of Austin I can attest they get their fair share of chemtrails. If there is a weakness in the shield over Texas, it's not from lack of chemtrailing!
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Something came to mind when I read this seeings as how this keeps happening in Texas, remember a couple months back there was talk of altering the HZ of the energy grid to allow for fluctuations originating from alternative power supplies being plugged in and not so easily meshed with the existing systems.

Well thats probably confusing
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Re: 50 Power Poles Explode (again) in Texas Hill Country
Something came to mind when I read this seeings as how this keeps happening in Texas, remember a couple months back there was talk of altering the HZ of the energy grid to allow for fluctuations originating from alternative power supplies being plugged in and not so easily meshed with the existing systems.

Well thats probably confusing
 Quoting: Omniscient1


Is this what you are referencing?

NSF-funded researchers at the Colorado School of Mines are investigating the benefits of microgrids that operate at 500 hertz instead of 60 hertz. Their efforts in theory and simulation have demonstrated the viability and efficiency of 500-hertz single-phase power systems. Experimental results using a test bed built by the researchers have confirmed that the high frequency alternating current (HFAC) microgrid is a practical method for integrating renewable energy sources into the power grid.

[link to planetforward.org]
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It hertz when you do that – power grid to stop regulating 60 Hz frequency
Posted on June 25, 2011 by Anthony Watts

“Experiment” on the US power grid will change the way some clocks and other equipment function.

A 60 hertz sine wave, over one cycle (360°). The dashed line represents the root mean square (RMS) value at about 0.707 Image: Wikipedia

Story submitted by Joe Ryan

The AP has released an “exclusive” story concerning the nationwide “experiment” that will be conducted on the US power grid. The experiment will relieve the power providers from the duty of regulating the frequency of power on the line.

Normally the power stations condition their power to a frequency of 60 cycles a second, a frequency that many old clocks use to maintain their time. With the new standard, or lack of standard, these clocks will stop keeping time properly.

But the problem is more than that.

[link to wattsupwiththat.com]
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They say clocks may be effected but it could be much more.
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“A lot of people are going to have things break and they’re not going to know why,”

So, we have what appears to be an untested, for the hell of it, “experimental” major change to the US electrical grid coming in a few weeks and those in charge aren’t really sure how it will work or if it may break something?

Not only is this what a LAB is for, but it is also something that the Federal Government should be TELLING people about in advance, and not in an AP “exclusive” press release.
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And now the AP Press release has been removed...
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Re: 50 Power Poles Explode (again) in Texas Hill Country
It hertz when you do that – power grid to stop regulating 60 Hz frequency
Posted on June 25, 2011 by Anthony Watts

“Experiment” on the US power grid will change the way some clocks and other equipment function.

A 60 hertz sine wave, over one cycle (360°). The dashed line represents the root mean square (RMS) value at about 0.707 Image: Wikipedia

Story submitted by Joe Ryan

The AP has released an “exclusive” story concerning the nationwide “experiment” that will be conducted on the US power grid. The experiment will relieve the power providers from the duty of regulating the frequency of power on the line.

Normally the power stations condition their power to a frequency of 60 cycles a second, a frequency that many old clocks use to maintain their time. With the new standard, or lack of standard, these clocks will stop keeping time properly.

But the problem is more than that.

[link to wattsupwiththat.com]
 Quoting: Omniscient1


Very interesting, thanks!

The comments were quite fascinating, too. Obviously some were written by industry pros wondering what in the hell they are trying to prove! This type of tampering could well be affecting power distribution networks.

WTF says:
June 25, 2011 at 4:06 pm
This will also affect clearence rates of breakers and fuses depending on the frequency variation. Fault current will change with frequency which renders safety design useless. I just read the article again. This is for integration of wind and solar and I truly believe that they are causing disruptions and equipment failures now with the tight frequency regulation. Electronics will not like this as they are not designed for a changing frequency. Need to figure out a way to prove this so the Government can be sued.


So is why we're getting the "dust and fog" BS story?
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Yeah, not buying it either. I live in the Austin area & it's been hot & dry for the better part of 2 1/2 years, yet this only starts happening in the last 3-4 weeks & ONLY in Central Texas?! Nah, not buying it! spock putin
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I'm with you REM, something else is up
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Power Pole Doom over..

Austin Energy says "power has been restored to virtually all customers, and will be restored to any remaining customers by lunchtime.

[link to kutnews.org]
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“A lot of people are going to have things break and they’re not going to know why,”

So, we have what appears to be an untested, for the hell of it, “experimental” major change to the US electrical grid coming in a few weeks and those in charge aren’t really sure how it will work or if it may break something?

Not only is this what a LAB is for, but it is also something that the Federal Government should be TELLING people about in advance, and not in an AP “exclusive” press release.
 Quoting: Omniscient1


My microwave fried yesterday. Just before Christmas my dishwasher died. Hmmmmmmmmm
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Power Pole Doom over..

Austin Energy says "power has been restored to virtually all customers, and will be restored to any remaining customers by lunchtime.

[link to kutnews.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11360402


Yeah, all is well for the moment...yet this phenomenon seems to be happening in bursts moving in a southerly direction. Will San Antonio be hit next?
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Dust is conductive. Some more than others.

First it tracks across the insulator, then it arcs, then a good solid carbon path is formed, and there is enough current to etch permanently into the insulator.

Then you have a kaboom, and maybe it clears, maybe it doesn't.

Proper maintenance helps, but what do I know.
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Being in a desert in Texas, haven't seen anything wrong with the poles here. So if dryness and heat were the cause, don't think
I would have much power here at any given times during the summer months. ahhh
~Doom Husky~
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Re: 50 Power Poles Explode (again) in Texas Hill Country
Dust is conductive. Some more than others.

First it tracks across the insulator, then it arcs, then a good solid carbon path is formed, and there is enough current to etch permanently into the insulator.

Then you have a kaboom, and maybe it clears, maybe it doesn't.

Proper maintenance helps, but what do I know.
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But why so many? 50 in one day???

And in the middle of winter? Really???
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I guess they mUst have missed a spot: chemtrail fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31064652


Meaning the chemtrails are a factor in the power pole fires?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14516845


Yes, sort of. There's a theory that's been kicked around here on GLP that the chemtrails are to protect the earth from what the sun (or other object) is throwing at us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31080335


Chemtrails are small reflective particles designed to reflect solar radiation and therefor cool the earth.
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couldn't be as simple as burying the lines?

the 'grid' is antiquated technology.

point source generated dc is much more efficient. look to the boating community for validation.

doesn't scar the countryside with transmission lines.

lose the grid, recycle the componant materials for home co-generation.

nobody will.
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Dust is conductive. Some more than others.

First it tracks across the insulator, then it arcs, then a good solid carbon path is formed, and there is enough current to etch permanently into the insulator.

Then you have a kaboom, and maybe it clears, maybe it doesn't.

Proper maintenance helps, but what do I know.
 Quoting: Lex 27557773


But why so many? 50 in one day???

And in the middle of winter? Really???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14516845


Was it a long dry spell followed by light rain?
Buildup of dust, then it got wet?

Or you can put on your tinfoil hat and say someone tested a carbon fiber bomb upwind, or they are spraying too much metal.

I'm going to go for the simple answer.
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couldn't be as simple as burying the lines?

the 'grid' is antiquated technology.

point source generated dc is much more efficient. look to the boating community for validation.

doesn't scar the countryside with transmission lines.

lose the grid, recycle the componant materials for home co-generation.

nobody will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31078980


Too expensive to bury, not to mention the air is an excellent insulator as opposed to a conduit underground, which is invariably filled with water.

DC is used in some areas to transmit power, but it is inefficient and expensive to step up/down DC voltage on a large scale.

With AC, you can change voltage easily. With a transformer.

Google DC-DC voltage converter, then an AC transformer with the same wattage(VA).
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Power Pole Doom over..

Austin Energy says "power has been restored to virtually all customers, and will be restored to any remaining customers by lunchtime.

[link to kutnews.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11360402


Yeah, all is well for the moment...yet this phenomenon seems to be happening in bursts moving in a southerly direction. Will San Antonio be hit next?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14516845


Hmmmm....a little research unveiled this power pole fire incident in South Texas back in November:

[link to www.themonitor.com]

Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:25 am

McALLEN — More than 18,000 Rio Grande Valley residents lost power Friday after utility poles caught fire.

Mist that rolled across the Valley early Friday morning dampened dirt and dust clinging to utility equipment, said AEP Community Affairs Manager Lee Jones. Insulation units on the utility poles began conducting electricity, thanks to the unusual combination of wind-blown dust and moisture, and caught fire.
Jones said he didn’t know how many poles caught fire and wasn’t aware of any other problems related to the widespread outages.
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Re: 50 Power Poles Explode (again) in Texas Hill Country
couldn't be as simple as burying the lines?

the 'grid' is antiquated technology.

point source generated dc is much more efficient. look to the boating community for validation.

doesn't scar the countryside with transmission lines.

lose the grid, recycle the componant materials for home co-generation.

nobody will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31078980


I agree, this pathetic excuse for a power grid system has really been tolerated long enough!
Seems pretty sad that they claim it's "too expensive" to explore new delivery methods, instead they just charge us for all the repairs.

The media has trained us to accept the fact that any atmospheric issues can leave us without power and that's just the way it is.

Sorry, I think we can do better, they're just too lazy since they're making plenty of money off the existing system.

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