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Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing."

 
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Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.”

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.”

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.”
RT’s Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.

"Obama was a great hope for change"

RT: It took both of you almost five years to produce this series. And in it you have a chapter called Obama: Management of a Wounded Empire. You give a harsh critique of the Obama administration. What in your eyes has been the most troubling aspect of his presidency, Oliver?

Oliver Stone: I think under the disguise of sheep’s clothing he has been a wolf. That because of the nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him, people forgave him a lot. He was a great hope for change. The color of his skin, the upbringing, the internationalism, the globalism, seemed all evident. And he is an intelligent man. He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them. That is what is sad. So we are going into the second administration that is living outside the law and does not respect the law and foundations of our system and he is a constitutional lawyer, you know. Without the law, it is the law of the jungle. Nuremburg existed for a reason and there was a reason to have trials, there is a reason for due process – ‘habeas corpus’ as they call it in the United States.

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Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing."
Kind of like Jamie Foxx coming out in the It's Time video about guns.

What, a weak before your movie came out where you use guns for what now?

WTF, can this shit be any more out in the open.

Hope your getting ready for a major shift Americans.
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I wouldn't have guessed Oliver Stone would have said this.
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I wouldn't have guessed Oliver Stone would have said this.
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Surprise to me, too. Shows you how bad things have really gotten. The interview with him was nothing short of amazing...and frightening.
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And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address

Lincoln's economic advisor Henry C. Carey explained the universal issue in his 1851 Harmony of Interests:

"Two systems are before the world.... One looks to pauperism, ignorance, depopulation, and barbarism; the other to increasing wealth, comfort, intelligence, combination of action, and civilization. One looks towards universal war; the other towards universal peace. One is the English system; the other ... the American system, for ... elevating while equalizing the condition of man throughout the world."
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he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it.
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he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it.
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he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it.
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putinstfu
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I take pride in ticking off canadian liberals....you worked up so easily. neener2
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Thanks, SC for embedding the video.
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I wouldn't have guessed Oliver Stone would have said this.
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Surprise to me, too. Shows you how bad things have really gotten. The interview with him was nothing short of amazing...and frightening.
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^This^
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I wouldn't have guessed Oliver Stone would have said this.
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Like him or not, Oliver Stone always told the truth as he saw it.
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Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.”

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.”

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.”
RT’s Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.

"Obama was a great hope for change"

RT: It took both of you almost five years to produce this series. And in it you have a chapter called Obama: Management of a Wounded Empire. You give a harsh critique of the Obama administration. What in your eyes has been the most troubling aspect of his presidency, Oliver?

Oliver Stone: I think under the disguise of sheep’s clothing he has been a wolf. That because of the nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him, people forgave him a lot. He was a great hope for change. The color of his skin, the upbringing, the internationalism, the globalism, seemed all evident. And he is an intelligent man. He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them. That is what is sad. So we are going into the second administration that is living outside the law and does not respect the law and foundations of our system and he is a constitutional lawyer, you know. Without the law, it is the law of the jungle. Nuremburg existed for a reason and there was a reason to have trials, there is a reason for due process – ‘habeas corpus’ as they call it in the United States.
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he is just playing. he will love Obama again if Obama lets fall HAgel. Stone is not worrying about freedom, heel no! He is worrying for israel.
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Good :)
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Now that the sElection is over, the left can commence on eating their own...
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Now that the sElection is over, the left can commence on eating their own...
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Yes, I'm sure there's some truth to this. But maybe there is an awakening happening. If one of Hollywood's "royalty" can come out so vocally against Obama, then maybe, just maybe more will depart from the pack. A few journalists would be nice.
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He just wants to inspire someone to Whack Barry, so he can make another movie!
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Now that the sElection is over, the left can commence on eating their own...
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Yes, I'm sure there's some truth to this. But maybe there is an awakening happening. If one of Hollywood's "royalty" can come out so vocally against Obama, then maybe, just maybe more will depart from the pack. A few journalists would be nice.
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that would be a miracle, hollywood is full of just about nothin but lefties. The conservative right there get's blacklisted.
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Now that the sElection is over, the left can commence on eating their own...
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no such thing as "left and right"....

if you claim to be left or right you are operating upon a lie fed to you by the powers.

Change your view and view the world as a big WWF match and then you will begin to see the way the world works.

Not to say that the loss of those in the Great Game is not real...it is very real...but the big picture fed to you by the goverments of the world is a lie.

After world war two the winners knew this and created a stage upon which the world can play.
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If the big hollywood jews are talking shit about obama then its aprecursor of what is to come

they are getti g ready to throw him under the bus and maybe much worse jult like they have done with all their useful idiots in the past



by any means necessary eh you fucking zio commie souless bastards

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And just to add

the audacity of Stone

considering he is one of the people that helped bring this nation into this state


just wow

not that i care for odumbass but this is right out of the zio commie playbook

fucking souless animals

and believe me when i tell you they will find a way to start their class war

by any means necessary
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Oliver where were you before the election you fucking piece of shit.... go back to worshiping satan... I thought obama was your man! too fucking late now. its over, just fucking over.
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I just posted this in the GLP 2013 prediction thread:

"Oliver Stone will soon be found dead from natural causes that will be seen as suspicious to those of critical thought."

ohyeah
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he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it.
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putinstfu
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I take pride in ticking off canadian liberals....you worked up so easily. neener2
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not a liberal mine frend, i,m so far right i,m in the ditch,and i dought he even voted for anything.elites dont vote, only sheep vote, gives m a sense of makin a differance,no one votes count anymore, the american goverment ,has bin run by the same group of freaks for the last 300 years,Not one of those units gives a rats ass about you ,I or anyone else, so unless the people got nuts , its gonna be the same shit for another few hundy.
baffle m with briliance,or startle m with stupidity. everbody outta the pool.
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Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing."
he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it.
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putinstfu
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I take pride in ticking off canadian liberals....you worked up so easily. neener2
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baffle m with briliance,or startle m with stupidity. everbody outta the pool.
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He has a son Sean who is obviously jewish through his father but he traveled to Iran and became muslim.
Poor thing he is confused but also kinda handsome.hf

He did say his father directed Alexandar the Great movie like he wants to embrace all religons.hf
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he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it.
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Not exactly. Stone admitted he voted for O in '08, but this time out he abstained from voting at all.

The man has thoughtful integrity and doing this country a tremendous service.
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OP doesn't understand Oliver Stone.
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I wouldn't have guessed Oliver Stone would have said this.
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Surprise to me, too. Shows you how bad things have really gotten. The interview with him was nothing short of amazing...and frightening.
 Quoting: telling it straight


well, not entirely surprising as Oliver Stone IS the producer of the movie "JFK", so he is known to be open to a conspiracy theory or two, lol

never mind "Wall Street" and the sequel, which nicely summed up what was going on which led to the great crash of 2008

Never mind "Platoon" and "Born on the 4th of July", so he also knows a thing or two about the military industrial complex

in other words, he isn't the usual Hollywood airhead, and I'm glad to see that he wasn't sucked in by the most recent dose of kickapoo joy juice

the movies he has done has assured that he travels easily in certain circles, circles which include retired businessmen and politicians, where he gets to hear even more 411

amazing what old dudes tell each other while a little drunk and sitting in a steam room
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It's so nice that these Hollywood trash come out and say this stuff AFTER the election.....

Whatever
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Leftists like Oliver Stone are a dime a dozen. They may wring their hands over Obummer, but they're so screwed up they're still romanticizing Stalin and Castro.

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