Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." | |
davvi User ID: 3677166 United States 12/29/2012 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it. Quoting: godzilla85 exactly, and please note he still blames bush? he must have a movie in the development stages which supports his comments. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31092528 Croatia 12/29/2012 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." I still think he is confused he is jewish he lives in US and he made lots of money in Hollywood... Surprise to me, too. Shows you how bad things have really gotten. The interview with him was nothing short of amazing...and frightening. well, not entirely surprising as Oliver Stone IS the producer of the movie "JFK", so he is known to be open to a conspiracy theory or two, lol never mind "Wall Street" and the sequel, which nicely summed up what was going on which led to the great crash of 2008 Never mind "Platoon" and "Born on the 4th of July", so he also knows a thing or two about the military industrial complex in other words, he isn't the usual Hollywood airhead, and I'm glad to see that he wasn't sucked in by the most recent dose of kickapoo joy juice the movies he has done has assured that he travels easily in certain circles, circles which include retired businessmen and politicians, where he gets to hear even more 411 amazing what old dudes tell each other while a little drunk and sitting in a steam room |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 United States 12/29/2012 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it. Quoting: godzilla85 exactly, and please note he still blames bush? he must have a movie in the development stages which supports his comments. Surely you understand english. He is blaming bush for opening the door on hell yes, and in addition is blaming obama for expanding to far worse crimes than bush and said as much. |
A/C User ID: 24408047 United States 12/29/2012 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." Somebody please publish fiensteins address! We know where the pretend prez lives and every member of con gress who backs this will be guilty of murder and as such is not entitled to a trial by jury, but should sumarily and agressively delt with as the traitor and terrorist that they are. Names and addresses of them will help clear out the rat packs when the shtf. These people are elitest monsters!!! Once there addresses are known spread the word to every pro gun forum and constitutional rights forum out there! We already know they're a bunch of cowards who want to doom us to a hell of their design. Fkem! They've been murdering us through bullshit and lies far too long! |
morphic oceans User ID: 25960283 United Kingdom 12/29/2012 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." [link to rt.com] Quoting: telling it straight Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law. Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.” “He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.” According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.” RT’s Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick. "Obama was a great hope for change" RT: It took both of you almost five years to produce this series. And in it you have a chapter called Obama: Management of a Wounded Empire. You give a harsh critique of the Obama administration. What in your eyes has been the most troubling aspect of his presidency, Oliver? Oliver Stone: I think under the disguise of sheep’s clothing he has been a wolf. That because of the nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him, people forgave him a lot. He was a great hope for change. The color of his skin, the upbringing, the internationalism, the globalism, seemed all evident. And he is an intelligent man. He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them. That is what is sad. So we are going into the second administration that is living outside the law and does not respect the law and foundations of our system and he is a constitutional lawyer, you know. Without the law, it is the law of the jungle. Nuremburg existed for a reason and there was a reason to have trials, there is a reason for due process – ‘habeas corpus’ as they call it in the United States. The director calls the shots in this insanity of a movie. |
Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 12/29/2012 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 United States 12/29/2012 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." I still think he is confused he is jewish he lives in US and he made lots of money in Hollywood... Quoting: Miss_Anonymous Surprise to me, too. Shows you how bad things have really gotten. The interview with him was nothing short of amazing...and frightening. well, not entirely surprising as Oliver Stone IS the producer of the movie "JFK", so he is known to be open to a conspiracy theory or two, lol never mind "Wall Street" and the sequel, which nicely summed up what was going on which led to the great crash of 2008 Never mind "Platoon" and "Born on the 4th of July", so he also knows a thing or two about the military industrial complex in other words, he isn't the usual Hollywood airhead, and I'm glad to see that he wasn't sucked in by the most recent dose of kickapoo joy juice the movies he has done has assured that he travels easily in certain circles, circles which include retired businessmen and politicians, where he gets to hear even more 411 amazing what old dudes tell each other while a little drunk and sitting in a steam room Good grief, now we don't know the difference-distance between being jewish and a zionist is in the way of hearing his message. If a person leans toward benevolence that does not make them stupid. Then again if you think in narrow categories for all people you're legally blind as well as retarded imo. why can't you guys appreciate what Stone is doing,unless carrying around little turds of hate is as broad as your thinking is able to get. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31092528 Croatia 12/29/2012 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." I still think he is confused he is jewish he lives in US and he made lots of money in Hollywood... Quoting: Miss_Anonymous ... Quoting: telling it straight Surprise to me, too. Shows you how bad things have really gotten. The interview with him was nothing short of amazing...and frightening. well, not entirely surprising as Oliver Stone IS the producer of the movie "JFK", so he is known to be open to a conspiracy theory or two, lol never mind "Wall Street" and the sequel, which nicely summed up what was going on which led to the great crash of 2008 Never mind "Platoon" and "Born on the 4th of July", so he also knows a thing or two about the military industrial complex in other words, he isn't the usual Hollywood airhead, and I'm glad to see that he wasn't sucked in by the most recent dose of kickapoo joy juice the movies he has done has assured that he travels easily in certain circles, circles which include retired businessmen and politicians, where he gets to hear even more 411 amazing what old dudes tell each other while a little drunk and sitting in a steam room Good grief, now we don't know the difference-distance between being jewish and a zionist is in the way of hearing his message. If a person leans toward benevolence that does not make them stupid. Then again if you think in narrow categories for all people you're legally blind as well as retarded imo. why can't you guys appreciate what Stone is doing,unless carrying around little turds of hate is as broad as your thinking is able to get. |
davvi User ID: 3677166 United States 12/29/2012 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." he's whining, yet he probably voted for him and gave him a ton of money in campaign donations. Oh well Oliver and the rest of the Obamanauts...that's what you voted for...now deal with it. Quoting: godzilla85 exactly, and please note he still blames bush? he must have a movie in the development stages which supports his comments. Surely you understand english. He is blaming bush for opening the door on hell yes, and in addition is blaming obama for expanding to far worse crimes than bush and said as much. i understand english, and i understand condescenion when i see it, too. :res23: |
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zacksavage User ID: 31096349 United States 12/29/2012 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." What He is saying should be clear to everyone. Only those wit-less sheep carrying water and wearing knee-pads for a particular "Party" do not get it. Whether it comes from the Left or the Right,...the People take a corporate boot to the face in 2012 America. Z Last Edited by zacksavage on 12/29/2012 04:08 PM Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
IssueX User ID: 31093153 United States 12/29/2012 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." What He is saying should be clear to everyone. Quoting: zacksavage Only those wit-less sheep carrying water and wearing knee-pads for a particular "Party" do not get it. Whether it comes from the Left or the Right,...the People take a corporate boot to the face in 2012 America. Z Oliver Stone did the movie "Salvador", he definitely swings to the left, but not all "leftists" are alike, just as on the "right" there are right libertarians and fiscal conservatives who may have little in common otherwise with fundamentalist anti-abortionist Christians who say that women won't get pregnant from rape these labels are becoming less and less relevant and more a tool of division and mind control if Ron Paul had had a chance to run, it would have been interesting to see how many people he would have picked up from BOTH mainstream parties, never mind independents Some of the love-child hippies who were into 'dropping out' in the late 60s and 70s would have more in common with libertarians today than with nanny state democrats. All they wanted was government out of their life and freedom to do as they wished so, it's not always so easy to paint things white or black I'm always glad to welcome someone who wakes up to what is going on, no matter what they thought or who they supported before. We're all on a journey As my old boss used to say: "it's one thing to be wrong, it's another thing to STAY wrong" I think it's fair to say that Oliver Stone is, and has been anti-fascism Last Edited by IssueX on 12/29/2012 04:45 PM |
Saddletramp User ID: 28625019 United States 12/29/2012 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." Oliver Stone has been "awake" for a long time.... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Light to Go User ID: 8545334 United States 12/29/2012 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." Yes, I was very surprised to see this interview. Spoke certain truths that the liberal side is blinding an eye to just because Obama is not Bush. I like the segment about how Obama has codified the Bush policies. Hope my liberal friends open their eyes before it becomes too late. We are losing our freedoms more and more each day, and fear is the operative word for the American experience these days. Untroubled, Scornful, Outrageous-That is how Wisdom wants us to be! White Genocide: 1900AD @ 35% - Today less than 8% of the earth's population Sophia's Correction |
IssueX User ID: 31101345 United States 12/29/2012 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." Leftists like Oliver Stone are a dime a dozen. They may wring their hands over Obummer, but they're so screwed up they're still romanticizing Stalin and Castro. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31084851 And Mao, Che and Lenin to name a few more it's the delusion that a strong man and violent revolutions can somehow usher in a peaceful utopia never has and never will |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30092910 Canada 12/29/2012 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." Anyone remember “Solidarnosc”? Poles didn’t complain only organized themselves and stood up to communism and very powerful Russia, and they won because in unity is power. Now they are free and the best standing economically country in the middle Europe. Hey, you know what I have in mind... You started it well with the occupy movements and what? It’s sad to see how your rights are being taken away, how you are losing your jobs and homes when the rich are getting richer. And it’s especially shocking to know that soon you are going to be (OMG) implanted... Where they heck in the World something like this is happening? No where, only in America! Why? Because you let it happen! |
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davvi User ID: 3677166 United States 12/29/2012 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." I have a family in Chicago and friends in NY and California. I have met lots of Americans and I honestly think that they are great people. I think that they have more balls than most of other nationalities, or so I thought... I see now how USA is going down the drain and Americans complain and complain and only complain, unfortunately. Folks, what is wrong with you? Just complaining won’t change anything! Quoting: Kinga Anyone remember “Solidarnosc”? Poles didn’t complain only organized themselves and stood up to communism and very powerful Russia, and they won because in unity is power. Now they are free and the best standing economically country in the middle Europe. Hey, you know what I have in mind... You started it well with the occupy movements and what? It’s sad to see how your rights are being taken away, how you are losing your jobs and homes when the rich are getting richer. And it’s especially shocking to know that soon you are going to be (OMG) implanted... Where they heck in the World something like this is happening? No where, only in America! Why? Because you let it happen! occupy movement? omg. the occupied morons are a leftist communist movement composed of anarchists and union thugs which are killing this country. if those idiots can not get a job with capitalism how the hell do you expect to get a job without it? the "occupy" movement was anti-american and everything which we stand for, although our leftist media reported it as saving america ignoring while occupiers defecated on police cars, raped and stole from one another, and plotted to blow up a bridge in ohio killing thousands. this is what you wish for america? thank you, keep your wishes to yourself. Lech Walensa went to the tea party but had nothing but scorn and contempt for occupy, wonder why? |
imetthecreator User ID: 30791159 United States 12/29/2012 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." Here's the show they were filming based on their book "Untold History of the United States" more episodes on ut Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28349531 the only thing he doesnt say is he is part of the group that brought this country on its knees right in your face pretending to be your friend while stabbing you in the back they control all sides deception To the %99 Be glad you still are asleep and dream awakening and knowing is the real nightmare |
IssueX User ID: 20476822 United Kingdom 12/29/2012 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Oliver Stone (of all people!): "U.S. an Orwellian State" Under Obama. Calls Obama "a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing." I have a family in Chicago and friends in NY and California. I have met lots of Americans and I honestly think that they are great people. I think that they have more balls than most of other nationalities, or so I thought... I see now how USA is going down the drain and Americans complain and complain and only complain, unfortunately. Folks, what is wrong with you? Just complaining won’t change anything! Quoting: Kinga Anyone remember “Solidarnosc”? Poles didn’t complain only organized themselves and stood up to communism and very powerful Russia, and they won because in unity is power. Now they are free and the best standing economically country in the middle Europe. Hey, you know what I have in mind... You started it well with the occupy movements and what? It’s sad to see how your rights are being taken away, how you are losing your jobs and homes when the rich are getting richer. And it’s especially shocking to know that soon you are going to be (OMG) implanted... Where they heck in the World something like this is happening? No where, only in America! Why? Because you let it happen! I agree with just about everything you say, and congrats for not saying the usual Canadian "all 'murkins' are morons' , it's so unoriginal and I agree about the Poles. 'Solidarity' was one of the most amazing movements I have witnessed in my life The problem is the internet and entertainment...the very thing we are using to have this discussion It's a blessing, but it (like TV before it, which prepared the way in the dumbing down) is dissolving attention spans and helping create ever more rifts and divisions Single parent households and serial divorces ensure that children often spend little to no time with grandparents and older uncles and cousins...the very people who have been watching this story unfold and who can pass on the history and spirit of their culture who says this is not intentional across the world, there is movement to demoralize individuals, to water down cultures and nationalities, to teach that resistance is futile, and with the internet and 24/7 entertainment/programming it is almost impossible to escape the direct-to-subconscious brainwashing I have always been a sucker for lost causes. I deeply admire the poles, and that gallant but doomed cavalry which rode out on horses to combat Hitler's tanks on September 1st, 1939... I guess that may be one of the things which attracted me to Texas, home of the Alamo and possibly the scene of the next last stand. It may just come down to a faithful remnant of snake bit bastards, ornery, drunk, pissed off with little to lose... better to die a free man than live a long life as a slave... |
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