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Gun Control Tramples On The Certain Virtues Of A Heavily Armed Citizenry

 
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"The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs."

great article...

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A people cannot simultaneously live free and be bound to any human master or man-made institution, especially to politicians, judges, bureaucrats and faceless government agencies. The Second Amendment along with the other nine amendments of the Bill of Rights was designed to prevent individuals’ enslavement to government, not just to guarantee people the right to hunt squirrels or sport shoot at targets, nor was it included in the Bill of Rights just to guarantee individuals the right to defend themselves against robbers, rapers and lunatics, or to make sure the states could raise a militia quick, on the cheap to defend against a foreign invader or domestic unrest.

The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs.

That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.

Americans provisionally delegated a limited amount of power over themselves to government, retaining their individual sovereignty in every respect and reserving to themselves the power not delegated to government, most importantly the right and power to abolish or replace any government that becomes destructive of the ends for which it was created. The Bill of Rights, especially the Second and Ninth Amendments, can only be properly understood and rightly interpreted in this context.


Great article and find op 5*

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That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.


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ohyeah
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This is a great article and should be required reading for all citizens, there is a great cloud coming over the land that is intent on destroying our right to resist tyranny.
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A people cannot simultaneously live free and be bound to any human master or man-made institution, especially to politicians, judges, bureaucrats and faceless government agencies. The Second Amendment along with the other nine amendments of the Bill of Rights was designed to prevent individuals’ enslavement to government, not just to guarantee people the right to hunt squirrels or sport shoot at targets, nor was it included in the Bill of Rights just to guarantee individuals the right to defend themselves against robbers, rapers and lunatics, or to make sure the states could raise a militia quick, on the cheap to defend against a foreign invader or domestic unrest.

The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs.

That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.

Americans provisionally delegated a limited amount of power over themselves to government, retaining their individual sovereignty in every respect and reserving to themselves the power not delegated to government, most importantly the right and power to abolish or replace any government that becomes destructive of the ends for which it was created. The Bill of Rights, especially the Second and Ninth Amendments, can only be properly understood and rightly interpreted in this context.


Great article and find op 5*

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Thank You
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Excellent
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Excellent Op Ed!

I added a link to this thread on my ongoing timeline found here:


Thread: USA Gun Control Timeline, a social experiment...Post Sandy Hook to Present
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. If guns were outlawed
Then only outlaws would have guns
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. If guns were outlawed
Then only outlaws would have guns

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5 UP all day long


excellent POV, foundational
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This is a great article and should be required reading for all citizens, there is a great cloud coming over the land that is intent on destroying our right to resist tyranny.
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And that cloud is scumbag lawyers.
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They are the ones that are trying to pass gun control and make you have to buy insurance and register all of them if you have them, and they are ther ones who have started this soon-to-be fucking disaster health care insurance insanity.
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The wolves are writing the laws:

I have been thinking about the roles of sheep and wolves, and yes sheep dogs. No doubt the vast majority of people are sheep. They may have some courage on an individual level, dealing with other sheep, but will not attack a wolf or pack of wolves. Now and then the sheep dog through major acts of aggression can rebuff an attack by one or two wolves (loaners) and is generally heralded as a hero, however should he/she sound the alarm that a pack of wolves is advancing he is likely to be attacked by the sheep. We see within the sheep a twisted dichotomy of values. It is a wonder that the sheep dog does not pray upon the sheep, but he is loyal to his master - God and as such is an extension of Him.

Giving up your guns is pulling the teeth of the sheep dogs! Those who serve God will not be disarmed, but would rather die in their Masters service! Tear a wolf appart!
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A nation is concerned that the magical symbol they rely upon to demonstrate that they are free is to be circumscribed as every single other nominal freedom 300 million gun owners quietly and calmly agreed to.

There is both something preposterous in the idea that losing this symbol means freedom is lost and something true. What is true is that slaves do not need guns, and voters with guns cheerfully chose slavery.
What is preposterous is to think ownership of a gun protects you from governmental tyranny. 300 million gun owners support the status quo.
No pissing and moaning gun holders, you are more free in this very moment than you will be with your guns one year from now.
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This is a great article and should be required reading for all citizens, there is a great cloud coming over the land that is intent on destroying our right to resist tyranny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30270133


"Aim small, miss small" light them up.
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Lawrence Hunter and most of us are missing the point and has been hypnotized by the illusion. He states

"The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs."

This is incorrect. The Central Government decides what the second amendment means not the people. They will ignore what they do not believe in or like. They interpret how ever they like.

We have abdicated our authority over the Central Government.

It astounds me how many people still don't get it. We no longer control the Central Government, it controls us. All the blustering on the entire planet will not change that.

I'm sure the "we will rise up" line will be used in this thread. That will not work either. I get paid perfectly good money to pay attention to these things: The military has been loaded with the "less fortunate" of society. Many of them wil have virtually no problem firing upon your children, you or your spouse. They will take yet another page directly from the USSR. Station troops in an area that they did not come from. Military leaders have been purged. They will fire upon you, bank on it.

Last Edited by Billxam on 12/29/2012 03:11 PM
Reality Dysfunction has occurred. Please reboot reality.

Thank you.
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Now you know why you cant get any ammo or guns or anything. Americans are stocking up, getting ready for the unknown, something they know is coming but not know when. Prepare my fellow Americans because there is a storm brewing....keep alert, stay ready.....its coming....its almost upon us!!!!
Fuck it, lets party!!!!
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The OP is spot on. No government makes you free. All governments are kernels of violence prepared to repress internally and wage war externally. The United States is a de facto police state now, 300 million gun owners do not care until the police state make it illegal to have a type of weapon a consumer wishes to own. Then like spoiled children they bawl and cry oppression.

“To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."
General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, translated by John Beverly Robinson (London: Freedom Press, 1923), pp. 293-294.”
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This prob should be a post in and of itself - connections made showing obama regime is well up to child murdering:

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Unfortunately liberals accept immoral, unethical politicians, and do not mind living beneath them and their constraining laws.
It gives them a sense of safety that you cannot not argue against nor change. That is why they have turned our Republic into a Democracy. They new the majority can be made fearful and dependent, and when the majority (MOB) reaches that point, the Republic falls.
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Unfortunately liberals accept immoral, unethical politicians, and do not mind living beneath them and their constraining laws.
It gives them a sense of safety that you cannot not argue against nor change. That is why they have turned our Republic into a Democracy. They new the majority can be made fearful and dependent, and when the majority (MOB) reaches that point, the Republic falls.
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I agree, but in all honesty we conservatives have done the same. We to have accepted immoral and unethical politicians.
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Lawrence Hunter and most of us are missing the point and has been hypnotized by the illusion. He states

"The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs."

This is incorrect. The Central Government decides what the second amendment means not the people. They will ignore what they do not believe in or like. They interpret how ever they like.

We have abdicated our authority over the Central Government.

It astounds me how many people still don't get it. We no longer control the Central Government, it controls us. All the blustering on the entire planet will not change that.

I'm sure the "we will rise up" line will be used in this thread. That will not work either. I get paid perfectly good money to pay attention to these things: The military has been loaded with the "less fortunate" of society. Many of them wil have virtually no problem firing upon your children, you or your spouse. They will take yet another page directly from the USSR. Station troops in an area that they did not come from. Military leaders have been purged. They will fire upon you, bank on it.
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Dude you need to LAY OFF the Kool Aid !cupofjoe
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All it take is for concerned citizens to copy and send to their state Governors and Legislators:

2nd Amendment Preservation Act

AN ACT, which shall be known and may be cited as the “2nd Amendment Preservation Act.”

To prevent federal infringement on the right to keep and bear arms; nullifying all federal acts in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF (STATE) DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1 The legislature of the State of ____________ finds that:

A. The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

B. All federal acts, laws, orders, rules or regulations regarding firearms are a violation of the 2nd Amendment

SECTION 2 PROHIBITION ON FEDERAL INFRINGEMENT OF THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

A. The Legislature of the State of _______________ declares that all federal acts, laws, orders, rules, regulations – past, present or future – in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States are not authorized by the Constitution of the United States and violate its true meaning and intent as given by the Founders and Ratifiers, and are hereby declared to be invalid in this state, shall not be recognized by this state, are specifically rejected by this state, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in this state.

B. It shall be the duty of the legislature of this State to adopt and enact any and all measures as may be necessary to prevent the enforcement of any federal acts, laws, orders, rules, or regulations in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

SECTION 3 EFFECTIVE DATE

A. This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.
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Don't EVER forget Kent State.....Don't let them kill you too....Don't disarm!!!!!!
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Lawrence Hunter and most of us are missing the point and has been hypnotized by the illusion. He states

"The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs."

This is incorrect. The Central Government decides what the second amendment means not the people. They will ignore what they do not believe in or like. They interpret how ever they like.

We have abdicated our authority over the Central Government.

It astounds me how many people still don't get it. We no longer control the Central Government, it controls us. All the blustering on the entire planet will not change that.

I'm sure the "we will rise up" line will be used in this thread. That will not work either. I get paid perfectly good money to pay attention to these things: The military has been loaded with the "less fortunate" of society. Many of them wil have virtually no problem firing upon your children, you or your spouse. They will take yet another page directly from the USSR. Station troops in an area that they did not come from. Military leaders have been purged. They will fire upon you, bank on it.
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Government worship and the blind belief that government is omnipotent and infallible is incorrect, bank on it.
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Unfortunately liberals accept immoral, unethical politicians, and do not mind living beneath them and their constraining laws.
It gives them a sense of safety that you cannot not argue against nor change. That is why they have turned our Republic into a Democracy. They new the majority can be made fearful and dependent, and when the majority (MOB) reaches that point, the Republic falls.
 Quoting: reptilicus 31103386


I agree, but in all honesty we conservatives have done the same. We to have accepted immoral and unethical politicians.
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I have never accepted them nor voted for one, which means I have never voted because none of them meet my moral standards in the least.
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Unfortunately liberals accept immoral, unethical politicians, and do not mind living beneath them and their constraining laws.
It gives them a sense of safety that you cannot not argue against nor change. That is why they have turned our Republic into a Democracy. They new the majority can be made fearful and dependent, and when the majority (MOB) reaches that point, the Republic falls.
 Quoting: reptilicus 31103386


I agree, but in all honesty we conservatives have done the same. We to have accepted immoral and unethical politicians.
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Not me in the least.

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