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Abraham Lincoln was a Tyrant

 
Justalittlebad

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The re-write of Lincoln's legacy has been stunning indeed. He was never an abolishionist, in fact he was a open racist, but he was losing support in the North for his scorched Earth war against the South, and the only large block of support he could find for continuing the war was the Northern Abolishionists.

His own Congress would not pass the emancipation proclamation, so in exchange for abolishionist support he went ahead and issued the emancipation proclamation as an executive order in the middle of the war, illegally I might add,.

Slavery was indeed a terrible injustice, but it was already on its way out in Western Civilization when the Civil War occurred. Revisionist historians latched onto slavery as the root cause of the Civil War, but in fact it was merely an afterthought and a desperate attempt to shore up waning support for that awful war....

And the United States has never been the same country since...

There have been several defining moments that have tested the United States resolve to maintain the true ideals of our forefathers, 9/11/2001, The Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and the U.S. Civil War have been three of the biggest, and also biggest failures...

It's time to admit the United States that most people think they live in is gone, the only reason we think it's still here is because the T.V. Tells Americans how free they are every single day. Until we can admit that the ideals of our forefathers have been hoplessly corrupted, there will be no fixing this...
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Spot on.
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What kind of piece of shit president declares war on states that want to peacefully secede and slaughters millions of Americans.

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Abraham Lincoln preserved the Republic.

and President Obama stands ready to do the same.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


that makes about as much sense as a husband in an abusive marriage, beating his estranged wife within an inch of her life in order to "preserve" their marriage
 Quoting: IssueX


yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


lmfao

says the one repeating the same old one sentence lines you learned in community college
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What kind of piece of shit president declares war on states that want to peacefully secede and slaughters millions of Americans.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31082165


Abraham Lincoln preserved the Republic.

and President Obama stands ready to do the same.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


that makes about as much sense as a husband in an abusive marriage, beating his estranged wife within an inch of her life in order to "preserve" their marriage
 Quoting: IssueX


yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

little hitlers like you scare the crap out of me, but the only relief I feel is the near certainty you do NOT live in my state
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Bloody Abe started the war of northern aggression.

Interestingly, the President before Lincoln stance on the South was if they wanted to leave, they should be allowed.
 Quoting: Iron.


What if a foreign power came in to claim those states? There were numerous contingent plans, one of which was to join Mexico!

The was was organized by a masonic conspiracy to include the Knights of the Golden Circle who president Lincoln at one point ordered to be arrested. John Booth and the other assassins were a member.

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Bloody Abe started the war of northern aggression.

Interestingly, the President before Lincoln stance on the South was if they wanted to leave, they should be allowed.
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What if a foreign power came in to claim those states? There were numerous contingent plans, one of which was to join Mexico!

The was was organized by a masonic conspiracy to include the Knights of the Golden Circle who president Lincoln at one point ordered to be arrested. John Booth and the other assassins were a member.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Yeah you wouldn't have thought there would have been some contingency plans to join Mexico if slavery alone had been the issue of the Civil War, since Mexico had made slavery illegal many decades before...

Things that make you go hmmmm...
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Bloody Abe started the war of northern aggression.

Interestingly, the President before Lincoln stance on the South was if they wanted to leave, they should be allowed.
 Quoting: Iron.


Not just that but the principle of secession was generally accepted.
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Bravo..excellent thread..
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Abraham Lincoln preserved the Republic.

and President Obama stands ready to do the same.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


that makes about as much sense as a husband in an abusive marriage, beating his estranged wife within an inch of her life in order to "preserve" their marriage
 Quoting: IssueX


yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

little hitlers like you scare the crap out of me, but the only relief I feel is the near certainty you do NOT live in my state
 Quoting: IssueX


Sparky might also look at the state constitutions of the original ratifiers of the US Constitution.

Some at least reserved the right to secede if signing on didn't work out.
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It's not that easy.

The U.S. fought revoloution against the British, and tossed those parasites out.

The victory was on a very thin margin, and the British Bankers and their hand picked Psychopaths set out to undermine the New American Republic and Union through sedition.

The Confederate flag is basicly the Union Jack, or British Flag.

As was back then, as things are today "Union Jack" meant anything BUT union, it was a total Fraud.

It was a war of conspiracy, corruption, and British instigators on BOTH sides.

It was a war of CONTROL over the issuance of currency in the United States.

Just like Federal Reserve has very little to do with the Federal Government it is a Private Bank Cartel who issues Fraud Notes under contract with the Federal Government.

Many of the Civil War Generals knew each other quite well, attended West Point together and I believe ALL were members of Secret Societies.

So, while these "Generals" sat around trading stories, smoking cigars, and drinking whisky, Morans were sent to the front lines to kill each other off?

Not much different than today, where sheep are swilling down whatever the MEDIA despots are serving up, while conspiracy nuts are screaming in terror while these malignants continue "putting one over" on most Morans?
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You are mistaken sir. The Confederacy lost more general officers killed in combat than the Union Army did throughout the war, in the ratio of about 5-to-1 for the South compared to roughly 12-to-1 in the North.
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Abraham Lincoln preserved the Republic.

and President Obama stands ready to do the same.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


that makes about as much sense as a husband in an abusive marriage, beating his estranged wife within an inch of her life in order to "preserve" their marriage
 Quoting: IssueX


yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

 Quoting: IssueX


well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
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that makes about as much sense as a husband in an abusive marriage, beating his estranged wife within an inch of her life in order to "preserve" their marriage
 Quoting: IssueX


yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

 Quoting: IssueX


well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


That's not suitable language for a lady, yankee
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The re-write of Lincoln's legacy has been stunning indeed. He was never an abolishionist, in fact he was a open racist, but he was losing support in the North for his scorched Earth war against the South, and the only large block of support he could find for continuing the war was the Northern Abolishionists.

His own Congress would not pass the emancipation proclamation, so in exchange for abolishionist support he went ahead and issued the emancipation proclamation as an executive order in the middle of the war, illegally I might add,.

Slavery was indeed a terrible injustice, but it was already on its way out in Western Civilization when the Civil War occurred. Revisionist historians latched onto slavery as the root cause of the Civil War, but in fact it was merely an afterthought and a desperate attempt to shore up waning support for that awful war....

And the United States has never been the same country since...

 Quoting: Saddletramp


Unmitigated horseshit.

The ONLY thing the South was willing to die for was to keep slavery.

Furthermore, when Lincoln was a young man, he took a trip down the Mississippi River where he saw a slave shackled in irons. It shocked him so badly that he made an oath to himself that if he ever had the ability he would hit slavery "hard."

Lincoln also realized that he couldn't get the support he needed to fight the war in the early years if he had argued that it was to free the slaves. So he made another argument he also firmly believed in which was that the nation could not be involuntarily dissolved like so many Balkan states.

The North accepted that argument and provided the support he needed. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't just to please the North which was somewhat divided on slavery. It was to please England and France, who were torn as to whom they should support: the North or the South.
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that makes about as much sense as a husband in an abusive marriage, beating his estranged wife within an inch of her life in order to "preserve" their marriage
 Quoting: IssueX


yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

 Quoting: IssueX


well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl
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yer so stupid that yer dangerous.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

 Quoting: IssueX


well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"

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What kind of piece of shit president declares war on states that want to peacefully secede and slaughters millions of Americans.

Now they want to compare Obama to Lincoln. Go figure. Two pieces of shit that deserve burning next to each other in hell.
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bump5a
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What kind of piece of shit president declares war on states that want to peacefully secede and slaughters millions of Americans.

Now they want to compare Obama to Lincoln. Go figure. Two pieces of shit that deserve burning next to each other in hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31082165


What are they teaching in the schools these days? The Civil War started because Rebels attacked a US fort with overwhelming force after belligerently threatening to attack it.
 Quoting: Brightwinger


They are teaching government propaganda, and you fell for it.

The NORTH started the war, they put a blockade on the southern states, which is an act of war.

It wasn't even a 'civil war', it was our 2nd war of independence moran...and we lost.
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and please, sparky

show me where in the Articles of Confederation it states that secession or re-definition of the original union was illegal and an act punishable by death and civilian slaughter

 Quoting: IssueX


well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
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We haven't had a good president since FDR.
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FDR is on the short list of truly anti-American presidents whose love of communism has inflicted irreparable damage upon the US. Also on that list are Wilson, LBJ, and Obamao.

If you think FDR was a good president, then you're a Stalin worshipping, Mao-rimming commietard that hates the USA.
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You don't know what the term scorched earth means.

Lincoln was a bit of a racist, and quite frankly it worked out well that a embittered southerner assassinated him, that way we had the slaves freed and no deportations of newly freed black Americans.

The Civil War was 100% fought because of slavery. It was fought because the US was expanding West, and the South wanted the slavery to spread there. The North was against this notion.

When the abolitionist Abraham Lincoln was elected president, the South Carolina began succession and six more states followed. A month later in February, when the Union refused to give up military installation to the newly formed Confederate government on confederate lands, the Confederacy attacked, and the civil war began.

All cause over slavery. Period.
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Wow. You're incredibly stupid.
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well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


"Move" in Phladelphia, 1985, was seditious and rebellious,
and and the government dropped a firebomb on their home,
and burned it to the ground with them in it.
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well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl at the "seditious" and "rebellious" idiot statement.

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well, just try it and see, dumbfuck.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and you enjoy thinking about that, huh?

says volumes einstein

even my most liberal friends thought that was a heinous and scary moment in US history, but you are bringing it up

I guess you think "Big Brother" has your back, which makes you a bully counting on a bigger bully to cover your big talk

impressive
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rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


"Move" in Philadelphia, 1985, was seditious and rebellious,
and and the government dropped a firebomb on their home,
and burned it to the ground with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


Field Marshall Cinque and his people, in 1974, were
seditious and rebellious, and the government firebombed
their home, and burned it to the ground, with them in it.
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Can someone please recommend the MUST read on Lincoln? REAL history that is discussed here, not the hero stuff in high school books. Thanks.
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rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and you enjoy thinking about that, huh?

says volumes einstein

even my most liberal friends thought that was a heinous and scary moment in US history, but you are bringing it up

I guess you think "Big Brother" has your back, which makes you a bully counting on a bigger bully to cover your big talk

impressive
 Quoting: IssueX


jerk
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abraham lincoln is the antichrist :damned;
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Prof Einstein proves her/it's point by using a tyrant's motto

IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO...screw you who ask for citations and laws to defend my heinous actions

I swear, these people are a pest

No wonder Mark Twain said "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session"
 Quoting: IssueX


well, the people in Waco were seditious and rebellious,
and look what happened to them: the government burned
down their home with them in it.
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


and you enjoy thinking about that, huh?

says volumes einstein

even my most liberal friends thought that was a heinous and scary moment in US history, but you are bringing it up

I guess you think "Big Brother" has your back, which makes you a bully counting on a bigger bully to cover your big talk

impressive
 Quoting: IssueX


jerk
 Quoting: Prof. Einstein


surely you have a dizzying intellect
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Can someone please recommend the MUST read on Lincoln? REAL history that is discussed here, not the hero stuff in high school books. Thanks.
 Quoting: Bluepill


The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo. Should be easy enough to get from any library.

Very readable and extensively foot noted.
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Can someone please recommend the MUST read on Lincoln? REAL history that is discussed here, not the hero stuff in high school books. Thanks.
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