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"You positively will not die" Satan's theory of immortality deceived Eve and millions more. Why such gullibility?

 
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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Same reason as Adam and Eve....they thought they would not die and be like gods

Same now, the elites believe the same thing. Satan also offers "the world" all the riches and power and they STILL believe it
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Re: "You positively will not die" Satan's theory of immortality deceived Eve and millions more. Why such gullibility?
Even if you go to "hell" - which I believe is cruel brainwashing - like telling children there's a monster under their bed to keep them asleep at night, even still - you're still "alive" in hell...

Why should we be so upset about dying from this reality anyway? Didn't it get taken over by Satan? Isn't physicality all bad and stuff?

Strange how the Bible sort of hands the steering wheel over to the Devil...
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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Fact is god lied , men became as bad as him (Lucifer) the god who created man ....

GOD (lucifer) REMOVED the tree of life and then man died ....

Tree of life ?

SACRED SEX ....

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When one's perception is infinite and eternal (here and now) immortality of spirit is innate... eating from the tree of knowledge was tantamount to looking for knowledge/immortality/security outside oneself. Perception became finite, or confined to the material reality... as above so below, lifespan too became finite. Linking spiritual death to physical was the inspiration for survival, hence religion.
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Nowhere in your silly little book does it say the serpent was Satan. At the time it was written Satan was just another name from the Talmud where he is only mentioned once and all he does is give directions to some lost people.
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I still don't understand why Christians don't want to go to hell on purpose, so they can help all the demons...
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Nowhere in your silly little book does it say the serpent was Satan. At the time it was written Satan was just another name from the Talmud where he is only mentioned once and all he does is give directions to some lost people.
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How silly is the world's current situation under Satan's final reign of terror?
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” Rv12:7

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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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They believed Satan because they had not eaten the "fruit from the tree of knowledge yet". They did not "Know" it was wrong. They were just like children left alone without a babysitter.
Then Satan comes along and well the rest is history.

A huge issue I have with the story of Adam and Eve. God tells them they can eat the fruit from any tree except the fruit from the tree of knowledge. It's a catch 22. They couldn't have "known" it was wrong to disobey God because they hadn't eaten from the fruit yet that would have enabled them to "Know" it was wrong to disobey just like they didn't know it was wrong to listen to Satan.

Mankind got a raw deal if you ask me. Caught in the crossfire between God and Satan.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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They believed Satan because they had not eaten the "fruit from the tree of knowledge yet". They did not "Know" it was wrong. They were just like children left alone without a babysitter.
Then Satan comes along and well the rest is history.

A huge issue I have with the story of Adam and Eve. God tells them they can eat the fruit from any tree except the fruit from the tree of knowledge. It's a catch 22. They couldn't have "known" it was wrong to disobey God because they hadn't eaten from the fruit yet that would have enabled them to "Know" it was wrong to disobey just like they didn't know it was wrong to listen to Satan.

Mankind got a raw deal if you ask me. Caught in the crossfire between God and Satan.
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Does obeying Jehovah require defying him? His instruction was understood;
"Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die." Ge3:1
You're right however that mankind got a raw deal which is why Jesus provided the ransom solution to who ever participates;
"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come." Ro5:12

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Strange how the Bible sort of hands the steering wheel over to the Devil...
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Then why would he write an ending that is so bad for himself?
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The same lie is being told today to untold millions, and they all believe it. How many believe that your "soul" is immortal--living forever in heaven or suffering forever in hell. This is the greatest lie ever told, even though the Bible clearly teaches (just as God said in the Garden), "the soul that sinneth shall die." We do not HAVE a soul, we ARE a soul. We are not immortal nor is "our soul". NONE doth have immortality but our Father and those whom HE bestows it on. The other great lie is the concept of "Sunday sacredness". There is no such thing. It is a total construct of Satan through his daughter church the Vatican who takes full authority to "change times and laws". Even in heaven with the immortality bestowed by God, we will still come together "from one Sabbath to another" in commemoration of the Creation and, thus, the Creator who "rested, blessed and sanctified" the Sabbath above all other days. There are many other lies, but these two are at the heart of it all.
The TRUTH is stranger than FICTION.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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Satan was actually correct. It was God who was telling the lies. Satan said you will not die and, according to the Christian, no one ever really dies. When you die in this world, you go to another world immediately, so death has no meaning. Christians think people go to hell or heaven so there is no death. Think about it. You don't actually think you will die. You will just be transferred to another reality. Atheists believe that people die and turn to dust. God said (in the quote above) that people whill return to the ground and return to dust. So is God telling a lie? Why didn't he mention that people would go directly to hell?
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Strange how the Bible sort of hands the steering wheel over to the Devil...
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Then why would he write an ending that is so bad for himself?
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He didn't, Jehovah did but it's Satan's own free will;
"Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Mankind got a raw deal if you ask me. Caught in the crossfire between God and Satan.
 Quoting: Mr. D 4603964

Mankind was always destined to enter the new earth knowing about good and evil. I don't think the first generation falling was part of the plan. If 930 years was how long Adam lived in a world where grief was common was it a worse fate that those two never sinning yet seeing all their children die for 6,000 years? Without that sin mankind would have eaten from the tree a few days before the tree of life was there to be eaten from then the next event would have been the new earth in Re:21. Plan 'B' is the contingency one, would you rather there was no Plan 'B'?
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It was Jesus who told us, That if we eat from the Tree of Life we would not Die.


The serpent told us that we would be more like God, knowing good an evil.


Basically all he said was that the Fruit would not poison us.


It was Jesus who promised immortality.



Lucifer gave us the first Entheogen.


Entheogen means to Generate the Divine Within.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
 Quoting: DGN


They believed Satan because they had not eaten the "fruit from the tree of knowledge yet". They did not "Know" it was wrong. They were just like children left alone without a babysitter.
Then Satan comes along and well the rest is history.

A huge issue I have with the story of Adam and Eve. God tells them they can eat the fruit from any tree except the fruit from the tree of knowledge. It's a catch 22. They couldn't have "known" it was wrong to disobey God because they hadn't eaten from the fruit yet that would have enabled them to "Know" it was wrong to disobey just like they didn't know it was wrong to listen to Satan.

Mankind got a raw deal if you ask me. Caught in the crossfire between God and Satan.
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Does obeying Jehovah require defying him? His instruction was understood;
"Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die." Ge3:1
You're right however that mankind got a raw deal which is why Jesus provided the ransom solution to who ever participates;
"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come." Ro5:12
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You are incorrect. First of all if you read the Old Testament, God is "I AM", nowhere does it state Jehovah is God. Even the 10 commandments testify to this.

The first Commandment:
I Am the lord thy God, You shall have no other god before me.

[link to godstenlaws.com]

Second of all, how can you "Know" something if you don't know anything?

That is like trying to walk without legs, seeing without eyes and hearing without ears. They did not "KNOW" because they had not eaten the "fruit of knowledge" at the time they were told. You are just trying to confuse the issue.

Jesus should not have had to die on the cross in the first place, What Adam and Eve needed was a good Lawyer to plead their case before God.
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The bible is about Annunaki genetic creation of humanity. It's the new millenia. Time for you low Brows to quit believing in medieval hocus pocus.
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It was Jesus who told us, That if we eat from the Tree of Life we would not Die.


The serpent told us that we would be more like God, knowing good an evil.


Basically all he said was that the Fruit would not poison us.


It was Jesus who promised immortality.



Lucifer gave us the first Entheogen.


Entheogen means to Generate the Divine Within.
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Nowhere in your silly little book does it say the serpent was Satan. At the time it was written Satan was just another name from the Talmud where he is only mentioned once and all he does is give directions to some lost people.
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"But I am afraid, that somehow, as the SERPENT seduced Eve by its cunning, your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and chastity that are due the Christ"-2 Corinthians 11:3
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"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever:"


Jesus said, "If you become My disciples and listen to My words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."


Mark 9:1

And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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God placed the tree, eve and serpent in the garden for that purpose. By implication, God intended on Adam eating from the tree.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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Satan was actually correct. It was God who was telling the lies. Satan said you will not die and, according to the Christian, no one ever really dies. When you die in this world, you go to another world immediately, so death has no meaning. Christians think people go to hell or heaven so there is no death. Think about it. You don't actually think you will die. You will just be transferred to another reality. Atheists believe that people die and turn to dust. God said (in the quote above) that people whill return to the ground and return to dust. So is God telling a lie? Why didn't he mention that people would go directly to hell?
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Because hell is a non scriptural Satanic blasphemy invented by religious capitalists to frighten suckers into church where they bribe their way around judgment by passing the plate ching chingThis is what Christians actually believe;
" I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

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The bible is about Annunaki genetic creation of humanity. It's the new millenia. Time for you low Brows to quit believing in medieval hocus pocus.
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The Annunaki did not create anything.

All they did is mix their genetics with an Already Existing Race.


That is not Creation, that is Manipulation.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
 Quoting: DGN

Satan was actually correct. It was God who was telling the lies. Satan said you will not die and, according to the Christian, no one ever really dies. When you die in this world, you go to another world immediately, so death has no meaning. Christians think people go to hell or heaven so there is no death. Think about it. You don't actually think you will die. You will just be transferred to another reality. Atheists believe that people die and turn to dust. God said (in the quote above) that people whill return to the ground and return to dust. So is God telling a lie? Why didn't he mention that people would go directly to hell?
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Because hell is a non scriptural Satanic blasphemy invented by religious capitalists to frighten suckers into church where they bribe their way around judgment by passing the plate ching chingThis is what Christians actually believe;
" I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18
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So you actually believe that death means death, that there is no hell or eternal punishment, etc. That is exactly what I believe as well, but I am an atheist.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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God placed the tree, eve and serpent in the garden for that purpose. By implication, God intended on Adam eating from the tree.
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Its more then an Implication.

Jesus is quoted as saying that all 5 tree's found in the garden are for us.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
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They believed Satan because they had not eaten the "fruit from the tree of knowledge yet". They did not "Know" it was wrong. They were just like children left alone without a babysitter.
Then Satan comes along and well the rest is history.

A huge issue I have with the story of Adam and Eve. God tells them they can eat the fruit from any tree except the fruit from the tree of knowledge. It's a catch 22. They couldn't have "known" it was wrong to disobey God because they hadn't eaten from the fruit yet that would have enabled them to "Know" it was wrong to disobey just like they didn't know it was wrong to listen to Satan.

Mankind got a raw deal if you ask me. Caught in the crossfire between God and Satan.
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Does obeying Jehovah require defying him? His instruction was understood;
"Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die." Ge3:1
You're right however that mankind got a raw deal which is why Jesus provided the ransom solution to who ever participates;
"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come." Ro5:12
 Quoting: DGN


You are incorrect. First of all if you read the Old Testament, God is "I AM", nowhere does it state Jehovah is God. Even the 10 commandments testify to this.

The first Commandment:
I Am the lord thy God, You shall have no other god before me.

[link to godstenlaws.com]

Second of all, how can you "Know" something if you don't know anything?

That is like trying to walk without legs, seeing without eyes and hearing without ears. They did not "KNOW" because they had not eaten the "fruit of knowledge" at the time they were told. You are just trying to confuse the issue.

Jesus should not have had to die on the cross in the first place, What Adam and Eve needed was a good Lawyer to plead their case before God.
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And God went on to speak to Moses and say to him: " I am Jehovah. And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them..."- Exodus 6:2,3
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What were Adam and Eve supposed to do in the Garden for eternity?
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
 Quoting: DGN

Satan was actually correct. It was God who was telling the lies. Satan said you will not die and, according to the Christian, no one ever really dies. When you die in this world, you go to another world immediately, so death has no meaning. Christians think people go to hell or heaven so there is no death. Think about it. You don't actually think you will die. You will just be transferred to another reality. Atheists believe that people die and turn to dust. God said (in the quote above) that people whill return to the ground and return to dust. So is God telling a lie? Why didn't he mention that people would go directly to hell?
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Because hell is a non scriptural Satanic blasphemy invented by religious capitalists to frighten suckers into church where they bribe their way around judgment by passing the plate ching chingThis is what Christians actually believe;
" I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18
 Quoting: DGN

So you actually believe that death means death, that there is no hell or eternal punishment, etc. That is exactly what I believe as well, but I am an atheist.
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" For the living are conscience that they will die, but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten"..-Ecclesiastes 9:5
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They believed Satan because they had not eaten the "fruit from the tree of knowledge yet". They did not "Know" it was wrong. They were just like children left alone without a babysitter.
Then Satan comes along and well the rest is history.

A huge issue I have with the story of Adam and Eve. God tells them they can eat the fruit from any tree except the fruit from the tree of knowledge. It's a catch 22. They couldn't have "known" it was wrong to disobey God because they hadn't eaten from the fruit yet that would have enabled them to "Know" it was wrong to disobey just like they didn't know it was wrong to listen to Satan.

Mankind got a raw deal if you ask me. Caught in the crossfire between God and Satan.
 Quoting: Mr. D 4603964


Does obeying Jehovah require defying him? His instruction was understood;
"Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die." Ge3:1
You're right however that mankind got a raw deal which is why Jesus provided the ransom solution to who ever participates;
"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come." Ro5:12
 Quoting: DGN


You are incorrect. First of all if you read the Old Testament, God is "I AM", nowhere does it state Jehovah is God. Even the 10 commandments testify to this.

The first Commandment:
I Am the lord thy God, You shall have no other god before me.

[link to godstenlaws.com]

Second of all, how can you "Know" something if you don't know anything?

That is like trying to walk without legs, seeing without eyes and hearing without ears. They did not "KNOW" because they had not eaten the "fruit of knowledge" at the time they were told. You are just trying to confuse the issue.

Jesus should not have had to die on the cross in the first place, What Adam and Eve needed was a good Lawyer to plead their case before God.
 Quoting: Mr.D 4603964


And God went on to speak to Moses and say to him: " I am Jehovah. And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them..."- Exodus 6:2,3
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


[link to www.biblegateway.com]

Interesting isn't it?

Exodus 6:2; Exodus 6:3 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.

Was not known to them? But Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge? Adam and Eve were punished for eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge so why did their offspring not know, however still die?

Same God or a different god and how many "god's" have the Jews had?
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3:13
 Quoting: DGN

Satan was actually correct. It was God who was telling the lies. Satan said you will not die and, according to the Christian, no one ever really dies. When you die in this world, you go to another world immediately, so death has no meaning. Christians think people go to hell or heaven so there is no death. Think about it. You don't actually think you will die. You will just be transferred to another reality. Atheists believe that people die and turn to dust. God said (in the quote above) that people whill return to the ground and return to dust. So is God telling a lie? Why didn't he mention that people would go directly to hell?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


Because hell is a non scriptural Satanic blasphemy invented by religious capitalists to frighten suckers into church where they bribe their way around judgment by passing the plate ching chingThis is what Christians actually believe;
" I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18
 Quoting: DGN

So you actually believe that death means death, that there is no hell or eternal punishment, etc. That is exactly what I believe as well, but I am an atheist.
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The punishment for inherited sin is old age and finally death it's self, that's penalty enough. It will be eternal for most of mankind by free choice but first Jehovah will give them a second chance by the resurrection. After all reach the human perfection Adam wasted Satan will be released from 1,000 years in the abyss and recruit worship of himself again. Most will submit yet again no matter how much they suffered before.
"Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma′gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Rv20:7

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