"You positively will not die" Satan's theory of immortality deceived Eve and millions more. Why such gullibility?

Yes, I am an atheist and believe the same thing. But I think it applies to everyone, not just to non-Christians and people who have other beliefs. I think it applies to us all. And I don't particularly care because I think the idea of eternal life sounds frightening, even if you think it will be paradise and all that.

What does one do for forever? Ever think about it. Think if you had to live on earth forever. I am bored living here and I can't even imagine having to live here forever. And even if heaven was wonderful and I was happy all the time, time would still pass as time. After billions upon billions of years, you would have seen everything, done everything, etc. So eternity would not even have begun. If this sounds like a pleasing idea, I sure wish I knew why?

shut the hell up with that bullshit

" Further God blessed them and God said to them: " Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth"- Genesis 1:28
They were to extend the borders of the garden earthwide, in peace and happiness, and the earth would be filled with a righteous human family.

So in other words, incest, sloth, and gluttony for eternity?

"Good Karma" I.O.U.

you are correct, it does apply to everyone:-" Look! ALL the souls-to me they belong. As the soul of the father, so likewise the soul of the son-to me they belong. The soul that is sinning-it itself will die"- Ezekiel 18:4
And as for living forever, really, we were designed to live forever. The Bible says God has put eternity in our hearts....I mean, what are things that you like to do that you could perfect with time? music? art? exploring endless animal life? etc., etc...I don't know what your likes are but imagine endless creativity...and maybe boredom is the result of so many limitations we have right now. and as for being happy, isn't that simple state of mind what people REALLY desire? yet so few attain it. being happy in itself would make living forever a joy?

I think that you are misinterpreting the phrase "forever" or "eternity." Imagine that I loved a certain musical artist and I got to take lessons from that artist. Imagine I learned to play the piano like a professional. Imagine that it took me 500,000 years to reach that point. Then imagine I learned to paint from Picasso himself. Imagine that took another 500,000 years. Then imagine I had a horse and a couple of dogs. I do love animals. But imagine having to feed and take care of them for 500,000 years.

Now...imagine forever. Would you not get bored with the music after a certain amount of time? I know I get bored of certain songs after I listen to them a few hundred times. Forever is FOREVER....billions upon billions and gazillions of years.

Imagine a butterfly that continuously flew around the world. Imagine that at only one point, its wings touched the ground and made a small indent in the dirt. Well, imagine that butterfly continuing to fly around the earth and each time its wings passed that point a little more ground was taken away, but just a teeny tiny bit. Now imagine that the butterfly flew around earth so many times that its wings made a hole the size of the Grand Canyon. Now, thinking of eternity, it has not even yet begun.

YOU would get bored. You know you would. You would want to rest. You would beg God to rest. But this is forever and ever. You can't escape. Think about it clearly. Do you really want to live forever or is this just something your church tells you that you should want?

I can't imagine a day when people would say
"Is imagination no longer a place to play?" especially when our minds are a full capacity.

Why are you so gullible to believe a book you have no way of proving to me that it is the word of God.

Oh but I must be the devil.

Then the only way one may live forever without boredom, is to forget.

Apparently Adam was a flawed teacher. You must be a man to not know that already.

Eve is a tricky one isn't she lol

Are little eve=Venus of the wast likes snakes

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but are little Adam=mars is in the dark about her trickery his kingdom is the east for i will make my kingdom in the north lol

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imagine being a son to these two?

A messenger with a message only love well see you through :)

Then perhaps reincarnation? You go to one place, you experience everything, they delete your memories, they send you somewhere else??? Maybe, who knows. I sort of doubt it though.

God doesn't own you, you're not the devil you just don't qualify.
"So the disciples came up and said to him: “Why is it you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11 In reply he said: “To YOU it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom of the heavens, but to those people it is not granted. 12 For whoever has, more will be given him and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations, because, looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it; 14 and toward them the prophecy of Isaiah is having fulfillment, which says, ‘By hearing, YOU will hear but by no means get the sense of it; and, looking, YOU will look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes; that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back, and I heal them.’ Mt13;10

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"They"? It's more likely "you" partition "yourself" off forgetting what you are. Like multiple folders within another folder.

They? They who, who has the power and technology to over ride the penalty of sin?

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that you are now creating your own existence? Are you thinking that this is all part of your imagination? Or do you think that after
you die you will then be able to will yourself to forget what you have experienced? I said "they" because there seems to be some consensus that God and angels and the like exist. So "they" would be able to send you to different points of origin after you die, and after they delete your memories of the past places, like reincarnation.

I guess the real question is....

What could make God lie?

I guess you are speaking of the Christian God here but I don't consider it a gift to live forever because of what I wrote above. I think living forever sounds like a nightmare. I like the idea that this life is all we get and then we learn to appreciate this life. Why do we always need more?

No one "knows". This "consensus" is just information provided second hand by "others". It doesn't mean it's true. Your personal experience is all you can truly claim you "know", everything else is second hand. We can speculate on stuff beyond our perception, but since it is outside our scope of experience, we can't know.

Yes, I KNOW this...this I actually know. LOL

If anyone tells you any different, they're (just) expressing their opinion (perspective).

Unless of course...

The serpent was a pawn...

?

Because we're worth this;
" After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
.... “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” Rv7:9

I would never want to be happy all the time. How can you appreciate being happy if you are never sad. How can you have empathy for anyone if you are always happy? It would seem that we will be automated robots in the afterlife with no chance of being anything but happy.

Don't you ever crave a cold beer on a warm afternoon? How can you ever drink if you have no thirst. I think it is crazy to think about heaven and forever and the afterlife because no one really knows. And, to tell you the truth, the Bible doesn't really explain it very well.

If obama ate from Jesus what part you thing he will swallow first !

It gives some good hints but if if it's not for you what do you prefer?
" And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull; and as for the serpent, his food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” Jehovah has said." Isa65:21

I would personally LOVE to see a butterfly circle the earth enough times to have its wing make a crater the size of the Grand Canyon! THATS good stuff! That's EXACTLY the kind of stuff to keep life from being boring guess every one has their own interpretation of boring}

And you wouldn't be bored out of your gourd watching this happen? Wow, you must really have a simple mind?

NO more imagination?????- now THAT would be boring and very