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were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?

 
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were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
I watched this show last night on the H2 network called America Unearthed.

This geologist was investigating a rune stone found at the entrance to a cave in the Mustang mountains that had 12th century English writing on it. It was a grave marker for one Peter Hurech. AKA Rough Hurech.

The was a Peter Hurech traced back to England in the 12th century. But then there was no history of any of his offspring after the 12th century.

There were also cave dwellings in the Gila Mountains in New Mexico that were very similar to cave dwellings found near Peter Hurech's home in England.

Is it really possible that Anglo Saxon's really could have settled in the American Southwest in the 12th century?

I'm skeptical. But the evidence suggest it may indeed be true.

What do you think?
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I have not seen the show yet but will watch it later,
Kennywick man proves that the "white" or Caucasoid people were on this continent thousands of years ago as do the Arrowheads often found on the east coast (of a certain type)I can not remember what they are called,perhaps another poster will remember what they are called.
My wife is a native American,Huron Iroquois and she tells me that the tribe came across the Arctic circle "many Moons ago" and that the Huron Longhouse is pretty much identical to the Viking longhouse, coincidence ?
She thinks not.

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I'm interested, but it bothered me that we weren't even told what language the runes were in. Why would Englishmen from the 12th Century use runes? The use of runes had long since died out among English speakers, or so I thought. What kind of a surname is Hurlech? Doesn't sound too English to me.
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The Soultrean Hypothesis OP

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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
OP, in the Grand Canyon, they found ancient Egyptian artifacts, back around 1900-1910.

It was quickly covered up.

If anyone cares to dig it up.

But yes, all sorts of people were in N. America a very long time ago. And not just Indians.
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Grr.. not available in my zone and no torrents yet.
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Last night I was reading about this subject, according to some researchers who have done DNA analysis, they claim that Europeans from what is now France came to this continent about 26,000 years ago, then people came from Asia around 10,000 years ago and possibly killed off most of the Europeans and then absorbed the rest of them, epecially in the eastern US and Canada.
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Last night I was reading about this subject, according to some researchers who have done DNA analysis, they claim that Europeans from what is now France came to this continent about 26,000 years ago, then people came from Asia around 10,000 years ago and possibly killed off most of the Europeans and then absorbed the rest of them, epecially in the eastern US and Canada.
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That's interesting. Kind of throws in to doubt the whole politically correct line of "you evil Europeans took the peaceful Indians land."

It may be that the warlike Indians stole the peaceful Europeans land.
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right on

I distinctly recall something about the ruins of an ancient "Waffle House" near the anastazi ruins in Arizona

the question is, where did they get the maple syrup?
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
I watched this show last night on the H2 network called America Unearthed.

This geologist was investigating a rune stone found at the entrance to a cave in the Mustang mountains that had 12th century English writing on it. It was a grave marker for one Peter Hurech. AKA Rough Hurech.

The was a Peter Hurech traced back to England in the 12th century. But then there was no history of any of his offspring after the 12th century.

There were also cave dwellings in the Gila Mountains in New Mexico that were very similar to cave dwellings found near Peter Hurech's home in England.

Is it really possible that Anglo Saxon's really could have settled in the American Southwest in the 12th century?

I'm skeptical. But the evidence suggest it may indeed be true.

What do you think?
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I do believe that early travelers did in fact come to this land long before it was a country. But claiming the land in the name of some other coutry is a bit much, especially since there were already other people already living here.

The Chinese can here even earlier, but that doesn't make this land China. The Irish came here before Columbus, and this still isn't Ireland. The Vikings even came, but we don't belong to Norway. Visitors can not make a claim to land that is already taken.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
Quite a bit of Viking runes on stones further to the East in Oklahoma----Heavener Rune Stone State Park.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
There are many oddities in history. One Viking saga mentioned running into an Irish monk on an island many think was Bermuda. They didn't make a big deal out of it so one would think that it wasn't unusual to run into Europeans in odd places.

Also, the Aztec Quetzalcoatl was always depicted as a white-skinned, bearded god who used a cross as a symbol. Amazingly, when he left going east in the Gulf of Mexico, the same year the Mayans got a new god....who had come from the west....Yucatan sticks up there.....and they named him Kukulcan. Same depictions...and the names mean the same in both languages.....Feathered serpent.

Look up "pre-Columbian exploration of America" and you might be surprised what you find.
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I'm interested, but it bothered me that we weren't even told what language the runes were in. Why would Englishmen from the 12th Century use runes? The use of runes had long since died out among English speakers, or so I thought. What kind of a surname is Hurlech? Doesn't sound too English to me.
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he is referred to as Peter De Hurech on this site [link to www.feonix-paranormal.co.uk]

the house on the above site is the same one that was on the show.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
I watched this show last night on the H2 network called America Unearthed.

This geologist was investigating a rune stone found at the entrance to a cave in the Mustang mountains that had 12th century English writing on it. It was a grave marker for one Peter Hurech. AKA Rough Hurech.

The was a Peter Hurech traced back to England in the 12th century. But then there was no history of any of his offspring after the 12th century.

There were also cave dwellings in the Gila Mountains in New Mexico that were very similar to cave dwellings found near Peter Hurech's home in England.

Is it really possible that Anglo Saxon's really could have settled in the American Southwest in the 12th century?

I'm skeptical. But the evidence suggest it may indeed be true.

What do you think?
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Yes this is true.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
I watched this show last night on the H2 network called America Unearthed.

This geologist was investigating a rune stone found at the entrance to a cave in the Mustang mountains that had 12th century English writing on it. It was a grave marker for one Peter Hurech. AKA Rough Hurech.

The was a Peter Hurech traced back to England in the 12th century. But then there was no history of any of his offspring after the 12th century.

There were also cave dwellings in the Gila Mountains in New Mexico that were very similar to cave dwellings found near Peter Hurech's home in England.

Is it really possible that Anglo Saxon's really could have settled in the American Southwest in the 12th century?

I'm skeptical. But the evidence suggest it may indeed be true.

What do you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 870032


I do believe that early travelers did in fact come to this land long before it was a country. But claiming the land in the name of some other coutry is a bit much, especially since there were already other people already living here.

The Chinese can here even earlier, but that doesn't make this land China. The Irish came here before Columbus, and this still isn't Ireland. The Vikings even came, but we don't belong to Norway. Visitors can not make a claim to land that is already taken.
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Yeah but why assume what we were taught in brainwashing school is the whole story? Everyone can just make up what they want as far as im concerned.

Hell, black people do it all the time. According to them, everyone in history is black, even if they clearly are not. They love to talk about africa, but wouldnt move back in a million years. LOL.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
full episode

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ooh thanks for link, I'll bookmark to watch later.

Hey .. how do you post a YT video here that will show up as the video [not just the link]?
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What a freaking terrible show. Over dramatic graphics, exaggerated guitar music and faked phone calls that supposedly interrupted them.

Not to mention they had already decided it was Pre-Columbian English from one photo from a phone.

They showed no evidence at all why they linked the name with the person in England other than a name which was probably quite common

It's even worse than the Jesse Ventura illuminati episode where they just made everything up.

Is this the standard of TV over in the states now?

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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
There were alot of amazing things found in the US and probably still are, only they won't allow us to know. There are all kinds of articles from back in day (1800's and early 1900's) in America about the strange things people were finding on their land . Only the Smithsonian would sweep in, take everything away and no one heard about it again; from ancient copper mines in Indiana to burial mounds that hold 8 ft red-heads with double rows of teeth. Evidently, the Grand Canyon even has some amazing caves with (impossible) finds, that is why they won't let anyone fly thru there anymore, they are afraid of what we will find. Also, they passed that 'Native American Sacred buriel land act' so we can't open any more mounds, although most of the time, those mounds were not Indians at all. One mound in Kentucky or Tenn had what looked to be ancient Hebrews buried in it. Just "google" 'Ancient American' magazine, or giants in America, etc., etc. Lots of great info out there, including news paper articles from towns all around the US. Just not in history books, and now with this amended 'Native American Sacred Ground act', we will never know the truth. The Smithsonian has alot of this info buried deep, they will never tell us the truth unless enough of us demand it.
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There are some awesome sites and scenes there, and in the follow-ons!
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There is literally no possible chance that the site is real. Like other posts who have pointed out the obvious, the average person in England was illiterate in the 12th C, and those who could read wouldn't read or write in runic Anglo-Saxon...and then trundle to the American Southwest to carve it...even for a dead friend. Didn't happen....but its certainly fun to imagine I guess.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
Don't know about the southwest but when Lewis and Clark made their expedition they ran into "Indian" tribes of red-haired blue-eyed peoples. Get the notebooks. Also, if memory serves, the writings of Frank Joseph discuss the archaology of North America. Much is lost, and was deliberately destroyed or buried, but enough exists to make many connections.

As for the American SouthWest, the language similarities between Hopi and Egyptian are intriguing. The connection there is more likely from the Isis introduction into central america, though, rather than the introduction from the north or norse.

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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
I have not seen the show yet but will watch it later,
Kennywick man proves that the "white" or Caucasoid people were on this continent thousands of years ago as do the Arrowheads often found on the east coast (of a certain type)I can not remember what they are called,perhaps another poster will remember what they are called.
My wife is a native American,Huron Iroquois and she tells me that the tribe came across the Arctic circle "many Moons ago" and that the Huron Longhouse is pretty much identical to the Viking longhouse, coincidence ?
She thinks not.

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Clovis arrowheads.
They are called the Clovis people.
They made arrowheads the way that prehistoric people in France made them.
They first were discovered in Clovis, NM.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
Just re-watched the episode...and copied down all the runes. Based upon what I wrote down (and I made sure I was accurate), I don't have any idea how the Englishman on the program could possibly say that the stone is a burial marker for "Rough Hueck". According to what I found, provided you overlook the incorrect usage of the S rune throughout, states something like this:

"Keils, es sudine peise runens. Peshke est meis homens"

Roughly translated...

"Hammering these southern peace runes- the Fisher of Men"

followed by the cross symbol

Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." Matthew 4:19

So, unless Jesus wrote in a mish-mash of Futhark and Anglo-Saxon, this isn't real...but it never said it was- only the History Channel did.
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Re: were Anglo Saxon's in the American southwest in the 12th century?
What a freaking terrible show. Over dramatic graphics, exaggerated guitar music and faked phone calls that supposedly interrupted them.

Not to mention they had already decided it was Pre-Columbian English from one photo from a phone.

They showed no evidence at all why they linked the name with the person in England other than a name which was probably quite common

It's even worse than the Jesse Ventura illuminati episode where they just made everything up.

Is this the standard of TV over in the states now?
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Ha, those shows are all made by the BBC

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