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There will be no rapture until

 
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2 Thessalonians 2:1-11 (KJV)
2 Thessalonians 2
[2:1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. [5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? [6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. [7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


The man of sin is revealed

There is no any moment rapture

It will be any moment only for those who don't see
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There is no general rapture before the two Witnesses are raptured first, after 1260 days of their testimony. Way to go, duh.
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There is no general rapture before the two Witnesses are raptured first, after 1260 days of their testimony. Way to go, duh.
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Way to go - duh?
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Revelation 20:5-6 (KJV)
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



1st resurrection!!!!!
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1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 (KJV)
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


The 1st resurrection
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Hi Ice :)

You're right! It won't happen until the last trump. Problem with that is, we have no idea where we are at right now in the time line.

I agree the man of sin has to be revealed first, but what exactly does that mean? Revealed as in how, and revealed to who? See what I mean?

About 6 months ago I was sitting on my porch asking the Lord how much longer, and He said to me "Man of sin to be revealed" as in that was up next on the agenda, but what exactly does that mean?

Could he be here now and have already been revealed? I don't know, and I don't think anyone else does either.

hf
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No 1st resurrection before Tribulation headed by the two Witnesses.
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This is enough Information for anyone to understand

The antichrist will be a worldwide leader requiring all to take a mark
to be able to buy or sell.

Stage is set for full financial collapse.

Stage is set for full worldwide war.


None of this is happening by accident this a great plan of the price of darkness.

Revelation 12 is not in the middle of the tribulation revelation 12 is the beginning of the great tribulation.
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There will be no coming until there is a GREAT cloud of witnesses. In order to be a great cloud of witnesses there must first be revival.
Revival will come strongly when persecution gets here to the USA. Hold on, we are going home soon, BUT NOT AS A RUNAWAY BRIDE! Church of Jesus Christ, we have a message from God to share with all mankind.... are you filled with Oil?
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Hi Ice :)

You're right! It won't happen until the last trump. Problem with that is, we have no idea where we are at right now in the time line.

I agree the man of sin has to be revealed first, but what exactly does that mean? Revealed as in how, and revealed to who? See what I mean?

About 6 months ago I was sitting on my porch asking the Lord how much longer, and He said to me "Man of sin to be revealed" as in that was up next on the agenda, but what exactly does that mean?

Could he be here now and have already been revealed? I don't know, and I don't think anyone else does either.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Hi Lisa

All great questions

The revealing of the antichrist is something that we are to watch for in that something that we will see and understand

He shall be standing in the holy place

He will require worship

He will require all to take the mark of the beast
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Hi Ice :)

You're right! It won't happen until the last trump. Problem with that is, we have no idea where we are at right now in the time line.

I agree the man of sin has to be revealed first, but what exactly does that mean? Revealed as in how, and revealed to who? See what I mean?

About 6 months ago I was sitting on my porch asking the Lord how much longer, and He said to me "Man of sin to be revealed" as in that was up next on the agenda, but what exactly does that mean?

Could he be here now and have already been revealed? I don't know, and I don't think anyone else does either.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa




ROMANS 1:16-32


THE MAN OF SIN IS THE FLESH AND OLD FALLEN NATURE
.

Just like in Noahs day, this is what we are seeing in the world.... the man of sin rising one last time before Christ takes us home.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

The man of sin is dead in the Christian, the man of sin is alive in all the world and can only be stopped by The Blood Of Jesus Christ.
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There will be no coming until there is a GREAT cloud of witnesses. In order to be a great cloud of witnesses there must first be revival.
Revival will come strongly when persecution gets here to the USA. Hold on, we are going home soon, BUT NOT AS A RUNAWAY BRIDE! Church of Jesus Christ, we have a message from God to share with all mankind.... are you filled with Oil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Amen & Amen

"And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten [them], they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name."
ACTS of the Apostles 5
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There is a difference between the body of sin and the man of sin. The abomination the maketh desolate, is the evil one, setting himself up in the temple, as like unto God, saying that he is God. Be not deceived, precious elect; for that day shall not come unless there is a falling away first. For what sayeth the scripture? It is the 3rd or 4th temple that has to be built, even in troublous times. Nevertheless, pray that you are counted worthy to escape all these things, and to stand before the Son of Man, in his due season.

Others, Saints, there are Tribulation Saints as well. All a question of how you see the Israel of God?
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Any other brethren care to upbraid some Faith?
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Satan is the antichrist coming just like Christ left and looking just like him with a heavenly host...oh yes with the Ancient Aliens gospel leading the way to accept him as such..worldwide. The mark is worship of him as God. Your right hand is like Christ sitting at the right hand...it is your POWER what you do and your head is what you think what you believe. Throw out the churches teaching and you can see it easily.
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Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


There's no Harmony in Christian belief about end time beliefs.

From now until I can no longer post I will only post
on Bible verses and what I see them clearly say.


Above you see after the tribulation

The gathering

But first you must have the 1st resurrection
Chill - Enjoy - Relax
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Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


There's no Harmony in Christian belief about end time beliefs.

From now until I can no longer post I will only post
on Bible verses and what I see them clearly say.


Above you see after the tribulation

The gathering

But first you must have the 1st resurrection
 Quoting: Ice


YES!
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Satan is the antichrist coming just like Christ left and looking just like him with a heavenly host...oh yes with the Ancient Aliens gospel leading the way to accept him as such..worldwide. The mark is worship of him as God. Your right hand is like Christ sitting at the right hand...it is your POWER what you do and your head is what you think what you believe. Throw out the churches teaching and you can see it easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24068631


Ah, the Hope and Glory, Christ in You!

Thus saith the LORD,
Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches;
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise loving-kindness, judgement, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
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Satan is the antichrist coming just like Christ left and looking just like him with a heavenly host...oh yes with the Ancient Aliens gospel leading the way to accept him as such..worldwide. The mark is worship of him as God. Your right hand is like Christ sitting at the right hand...it is your POWER what you do and your head is what you think what you believe. Throw out the churches teaching and you can see it easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24068631


Could be

But doesn't have to be a UFO ship to make it happen

Rev 12 is clear on what will happen
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Satan is the antichrist coming just like Christ left and looking just like him with a heavenly host...oh yes with the Ancient Aliens gospel leading the way to accept him as such..worldwide. The mark is worship of him as God. Your right hand is like Christ sitting at the right hand...it is your POWER what you do and your head is what you think what you believe. Throw out the churches teaching and you can see it easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24068631


Ah, the Hope and Glory, Christ in You!

Thus saith the LORD,
Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches;
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise loving-kindness, judgement, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
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Amen
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Satan is the antichrist coming just like Christ left and looking just like him with a heavenly host...oh yes with the Ancient Aliens gospel leading the way to accept him as such..worldwide. The mark is worship of him as God. Your right hand is like Christ sitting at the right hand...it is your POWER what you do and your head is what you think what you believe. Throw out the churches teaching and you can see it easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24068631


Could be

But doesn't have to be a UFO ship to make it happen

Rev 12 is clear on what will happen
 Quoting: Ice


ufo's are a ruse...that alien gospel goes much deeper
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Brother Ice,

It are those in your or mine own house, for there will be five in one house two against three and three against two. The children of this generation will rise up and put their parents to death. Why?
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I thought you were in some bunker somewhere
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Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


There's no Harmony in Christian belief about end time beliefs.

From now until I can no longer post I will only post
on Bible verses and what I see them clearly say.


Above you see after the tribulation

The gathering

But first you must have the 1st resurrection
 Quoting: Ice


Brother, the First Resurrection was 2000 years ago and The Blood is as powerful today as way back then. The Blood will never loose Its Power. Jesus said it is finished, the battle was SPIRITUAL not natural; Armageddon was won 2000 years ago.
It is your choice to believe His statement or not.
Christ is not coming with signs..... He said so Himself......So without signs we must stand on FAITH.

Remember Faith is the only thing left standing after the flood of persecution.
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Didn't Christ say he came not for the righteous and the saved first, but the sinners ?

How does that fit into your rapture scenario ?
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There will be no rapture...ever
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Heterosexual pride!

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Brother Ice,

It are those in your or mine own house, for there will be five in one house two against three and three against two. The children of this generation will rise up and put their parents to death. Why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31138175


Heart issue to the death

The mark system will define your faith
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There will be no rapture...ever
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There will be a gathering in the air

Many post beliefs tend to teach no rapture
but that does not stand up to posted verses on
this thread.
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There will be no rapture...ever
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There will be a gathering in the air

Many post beliefs tend to teach no rapture
but that does not stand up to posted verses on
this thread.
 Quoting: Ice


It's cold up there and where would I set my beer?
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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Didn't Christ say he came not for the righteous and the saved first, but the sinners ?

How does that fit into your rapture scenario ?
 Quoting: !saac


Matthew 9:10-13 (KJV)
[10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. [11] And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? [12] But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13] But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Good question

He moved them to repent
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There will be no rapture...ever
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There will be a gathering in the air

Many post beliefs tend to teach no rapture
but that does not stand up to posted verses on
this thread.
 Quoting: Ice


And you would deny being wrong about anything until your dying day ?

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