There will be no rapture until

It's cold up there and where would I set my beer?

Matthew 9:10-13 (KJV)
[10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. [11] And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? [12] But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13] But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Good question

He moved them to repent

I thought you were in some bunker somewhere

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

The man of sin is dead in the Christian, the man of sin is alive in all the world and can only be stopped by The Blood Of Jesus Christ.

I disagree with the idea of air meaning up and out. Clouds simply meaning great numbers. Jesus comes here and we are gathered to where HE IS, we are not GOING anywhere just to WHERE HE IS. With a small grasp of quantum mechanics...where HE IS makes sense.

yep, that's the gist of it.

"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."

Matthew 20:16

And how does that fir into this concept of rapture^^ ?

The rapture is part of the change into what we shall be


This body of death must change

I disagree with the idea of air meaning up and out. Clouds simply meaning great numbers. Jesus comes here and we are gathered to where HE IS, we are not GOING anywhere just to WHERE HE IS. With a small grasp of quantum mechanics...where HE IS makes sense.

yeah....so are you saying the rapture is a spiritual reawakening ?

Or are you saying we are all going to float up in the sky ?

It's a heart issue

If you have a new heart in that moment you will
receive the body of the first fruit (Christ)

And meet Him in the air

Ok, so then " it's a heart issue " means you do not believe in a physical rapture ?

The new heart is the ticket to the new life in Christ.

This physical world will be changed.

All will see Jesus at the 2 nd coming.

It's a heart issue

If you have a new heart in that moment you will
receive the body of the first fruit (Christ)

And meet Him in the air

How will all see him when he's coming like a thief in the night ?

Hi Ice :)

You're right! It won't happen until the last trump. Problem with that is, we have no idea where we are at right now in the time line.

I agree the man of sin has to be revealed first, but what exactly does that mean? Revealed as in how, and revealed to who? See what I mean?

About 6 months ago I was sitting on my porch asking the Lord how much longer, and He said to me "Man of sin to be revealed" as in that was up next on the agenda, but what exactly does that mean?

Could he be here now and have already been revealed? I don't know, and I don't think anyone else does either.

Christians will not just disappear, but actually be caught up by angels to be with the Lord.


When?


Just after the 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm.


Just prior to God's wrath........7th Seal.

WHEN WILL THE RAPTURE BE

Basically I think that there is only one correct answer and that is... today. Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are dead in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ.

Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is in fact a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice.



1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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