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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1968384 United States 12/31/2012 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you people keep interpreting journalistic fuckups/inconsistencies as an "inside job"...? You'd be very good copy editors but as journalists you prove nothing. Why not say something SPECIFIC for once? Like: So Time magazine gives (very slightly) different details of her initial actions that day from a local newspaper. And you believe her showing up as a "reporter" is fishy because (in your opinion) she should have shown up as a "volunteer fire fighter" (where was the "fire" she was supposed to be "fighting" btw...?). Fine. So are you saying this lady's "in on it"...? How, exactly? Specifically, what was her "role"...? (also it's entirely possible she took the initial photographs immediately with "one hand on the wheel", then put the camera down, drove up farther or onto the side of the road to park, THEN grabbed the camera off the seat before getting out, as written in Time) (just because Time doesn't give the EXACT details other sources did doesn't mean they contradict each other ffs...) |
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MzGA User ID: 30868363 United States 12/31/2012 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These people ugh, but people do believe it so... Just wanted to add that the picture that was shown of the kids looking so distraught coming out of the building was proven to a picture from a November drill where they asked the kids to close their eyes as they left the building . Wth? That's one way to get those expressions. Is there not a single person in the Ct area that will speak out risk be damned ? They have already raised 3 million according to the local paper The Patch. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31204052 Australia 12/31/2012 06:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Facebook post is gone.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31204052 I did find something weird on Facebook.. The email or Parker fund was set up by Robbin Parkersburg best friend.. He works for Ernst andvyoung the sane company Adam Lanza father works for.. Hmmm Geez my I pad doesn't like me today.. The emilie Parker fund was set up by robbie Parkers best best friend and he works for Ernst and young.. Adam Lanzas fathers employer.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31204979 Portugal 12/31/2012 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These people ugh, but people do believe it so... Just wanted to add that the picture that was shown of the kids looking so distraught coming out of the building was proven to a picture from a November drill where they asked the kids to close their eyes as they left the building . Wth? That's one way to get those expressions. Is there not a single person in the Ct area that will speak out risk be damned ? They have already raised 3 million according to the local paper The Patch. Quoting: MzGA proven to a picture from a November drill - Do you have a source please? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31199936 United States 12/31/2012 07:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Editing and fact checking are apparently dead arts. However, these articles have some weirdnesses. Why would anyone care what sort of car this woman drives? Why did two different articles mention specific vehicles that are absolutely nothing alike? That is very... I don't know that it is suspicious per se, but it's just downright odd. If I am reading such a story IDGAF if some small town reporter skidded up in a VW or a Jeep Wrangler. Then there are just too many weird details that don't match that don't even really matter. Like was she driving and snapping photos? Did she jump out of her car and take photos? If I don't know, I'll just write she took photos and move along with my story especially if it's an early story (as in breaking news). Then we progress to did she tromp into the crime scene snapping away on the heels of police? Was she at the paper's office a mile and a quarter away or was she dressing up in her fireman's gear? I mean, if no one has any sort of accurate idea what she was doing why should we even care? If some silly reporter's hijinks are all they have to talk about then there's no story (yet). But, maybe the whole point is to just report half the stories in such a haphazard, unprofessional manner that reading them is frustrating. Needless to say, TV tends to be even worse most of the time. As far as the photo, if HER PAPER miscaptioned the original photo that they knew had been taken some time previously, they should be ashamed. If they didn't and other news outlets made assumptions that the photo was taken as the story unfolded, then that is typical sloppy reporting. As for fundraising, weren't these mostly rich people? I'm not being mean. I am always very upset and sad to see horrible things happen. But, this is what I keep hearing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19396116 United States 12/31/2012 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Be sure to gather metadata from photos. Information such as time the photo was taken to GPS coordinates can be obtained from photos. Here is a tool for doing that. [link to www.jpeg-scrubber.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 519793 United States 12/31/2012 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are really stretching to call these things "lies..." None of the things you list are inconsistent, unless you put an absurd spin on them. Someone who arrives 20 minutes after a shooting is "one of the first on the scene..." The pictures she took are proof that she got there while it was still unfolding. The mention that she is "stationed" at the fire house does not mean she was there at the time... It means it's her assigned place of work. The fact that she took pictures outside the car doesn't affect the fact that she took pictures earlier in the car. also - the "timestamp" on the webpage is meaningless unless you know what time zone both the receiving and sending computers are set to. I routinely get email messages that are several hours off in their time due to that. Check it out. If it was a conspiracy wouldn't it be simpler to put out a consistent story? Sifting the trivia and turning everything into a conspiracy cheapens true conspiracies, and makes it all a joke. Do better or do something else with your time. |
13th-Century User ID: 31055867 Canada 12/31/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These people ugh, but people do believe it so... Just wanted to add that the picture that was shown of the kids looking so distraught coming out of the building was proven to a picture from a November drill where they asked the kids to close their eyes as they left the building . Wth? That's one way to get those expressions. Is there not a single person in the Ct area that will speak out risk be damned ? They have already raised 3 million according to the local paper The Patch. Quoting: MzGA proven to a picture from a November drill - Do you have a source please? From London, England, The Daily Mail, with the headline: Murdered principal's haunting pictures of Sandy Hook children practicing their evacuation drill - just days before massacre [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] NOW - even though the famous photograph we have all seen of the children in a line does not appear in this Daily Mail article (it may have been removed, for obvious reasons), the fact is that the information that the famous photo is indeed from a drill needs to be tracked down. I actually read - somewhere?!?!?!?!? - that the famous photo was from a year ago, November 2011. |
13th-Century User ID: 31055867 Canada 12/31/2012 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Found this: A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill that took place prior to the event itself. Most other photos are portraits of individual children. Despite aerial video footage of the event documenting law enforcement scouring the scene and apprehending one or more suspects in the wooded area nearby the school,[11] there is no such evidence that a mass exodus of children from the school transpired once law enforcement pronounced Sandy Hook secure. Nor are there videos or photos of several hundred students and their parents at the oft-referenced fire station nearby where students were routed for parent pick up. [link to www.globalresearch.ca] Note: Global Research is a highly respected alternative news source in Ottawa, Canada. The author of this article is Professor James F. Tracy, and here is his bio: About the author: An Associate Professor of Media Studies at Florida Atlantic University, James Tracy's work on media history, politics and culture has appeared in a wide variety of academic journals, edited volumes, and alternative news and opinion outlets. Tracy is editor of Union for Democratic Communication’s journal Democratic Communiqué and a contributor to Project Censored’s forthcoming publication Censored 2013: The Top Censored Stories and Media Analysis of 2011-2012. Additional writings and information are accessible at memoryholeblog.com. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28837935 United States 12/31/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These people ugh, but people do believe it so... Just wanted to add that the picture that was shown of the kids looking so distraught coming out of the building was proven to a picture from a November drill where they asked the kids to close their eyes as they left the building . Wth? That's one way to get those expressions. Is there not a single person in the Ct area that will speak out risk be damned ? They have already raised 3 million according to the local paper The Patch. Quoting: MzGA Lies and coverup: “I literally put on my firefighter gear,” she said. “I was there as a firefighter probably for not even more than 20 minutes before my editor said he wanted me back in the office to work with him to coordinate coverage from there.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15302140 Okay that quotation is VERY strange....if this women is a firefighter, her and her editor should have some agreement that in case of an emergency (and this was a HUGE emergency), that her job as a firefighter would come first. Why is she even taking calls from her editor when she's supposedly working on a huge emergency? Makes no sense. These are lies or these people have some serious troubles with professionalism. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28837935 United States 12/31/2012 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are really stretching to call these things "lies..." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519793 None of the things you list are inconsistent, unless you put an absurd spin on them. Someone who arrives 20 minutes after a shooting is "one of the first on the scene..." The pictures she took are proof that she got there while it was still unfolding. The mention that she is "stationed" at the fire house does not mean she was there at the time... It means it's her assigned place of work. The fact that she took pictures outside the car doesn't affect the fact that she took pictures earlier in the car. also - the "timestamp" on the webpage is meaningless unless you know what time zone both the receiving and sending computers are set to. I routinely get email messages that are several hours off in their time due to that. Check it out. If it was a conspiracy wouldn't it be simpler to put out a consistent story? Sifting the trivia and turning everything into a conspiracy cheapens true conspiracies, and makes it all a joke. Do better or do something else with your time. I was initially so saddened by this event that I was crying -- which I'm not inclined to do. So it makes me rather upset to learn that there are SO MANY inconsistencies without any clarification all over the place -- when everyone has a changing story and the facts are mercurial, I wisen up. I don't like being tricked So, one thing that bugs me is why hell didn't that Rosen guy (who "helped" the children) call POLICE or get help from firefighters (He's next door to the firehouse) when distraught children show up on his lawn? Obviously, this editor was so unbusy that she went right back to work in her OFFICE (and even if she was doing duty at the paper - you'd think they'd want her ON THE SCENE gathering INFORMATION) But back to ROSEN - Would you take in a bunch of distraught children INTO YOUR HOUSE and give them STUFFED ANIMALS to "play" with without alerting authorities? And he refers to how he was ESPECIALLY sad...and HOPING IT WASN'T THIS SPECIFIC TEACHER -- to find out that their teacher was "That pretty 27 year old teacher, Victoria Soto" ...sorry, was he stalking her? How does he know her age? If he DID know her, he'd certainly mention that important detail (and does not)...No, he refers to the teacher in a way that reads like a character description from a SCRIPT. I studied a little movie script writing and that precisely how you would insert a succinnt, initial character description into a movie script..."A PRETTY 27 YEAR OLD TEACHER, VICTORIA SOTO" So, either these are LIES or this town has some serious, deep rooted rampant problems with professionalism and priorities. |
13th-Century User ID: 31055867 Canada 12/31/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the little girl in the blue top really crying, or is she laughing or sounding off about something? We think we 'see' what we are expected to see. The little girl in the pink pants and the pink sneakers, further back, looks as if she is smiling and having a good time. I repeat: WE KNOW NOW THIS IS A PHOTO FROM A DRILL AT THE SCHOOL IN NOVEMBER... What year, I'm not sure. Maybe November 2012. Maybe November 2011. Remember this: SOMEBODY checked the principal's tweets after the December 14, 2012 event, they saw this photo, and they decided to spread it all over the media, pretending it was the evacuation of kids from Sandy Hook Elementary on the day of the shootings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28837935 United States 12/31/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good work, Oppie! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25739945 And.... A 600 child evacuation would be quite a sight.... With a thousand emotional parents greeting them.... No such images exist!!!!! And with such an evacuation -- couldn't they use the help of firefighters? TO help people in shock, at the least? OR Wouldn't the newspaper want as many reporters ON THE SCENE as possible to witness all the reunification and take accounts of what happened 20 minutes into this? And if there were people there -- they could have intervened, for instnace -- in helping the distraught children on Rosen's doorstep, who was (apparently) at such a loss for help he took them into his house? |
13th-Century User ID: 31055867 Canada 12/31/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are really stretching to call these things "lies..." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519793 None of the things you list are inconsistent, unless you put an absurd spin on them. Someone who arrives 20 minutes after a shooting is "one of the first on the scene..." The pictures she took are proof that she got there while it was still unfolding. The mention that she is "stationed" at the fire house does not mean she was there at the time... It means it's her assigned place of work. The fact that she took pictures outside the car doesn't affect the fact that she took pictures earlier in the car. also - the "timestamp" on the webpage is meaningless unless you know what time zone both the receiving and sending computers are set to. I routinely get email messages that are several hours off in their time due to that. Check it out. If it was a conspiracy wouldn't it be simpler to put out a consistent story? Sifting the trivia and turning everything into a conspiracy cheapens true conspiracies, and makes it all a joke. Do better or do something else with your time. I was initially so saddened by this event that I was crying -- which I'm not inclined to do. So it makes me rather upset to learn that there are SO MANY inconsistencies without any clarification all over the place -- when everyone has a changing story and the facts are mercurial, I wisen up. I don't like being tricked So, one thing that bugs me is why hell didn't that Rosen guy (who "helped" the children) call POLICE or get help from firefighters (He's next door to the firehouse) when distraught children show up on his lawn? Obviously, this editor was so unbusy that she went right back to work in her OFFICE (and even if she was doing duty at the paper - you'd think they'd want her ON THE SCENE gathering INFORMATION) But back to ROSEN - Would you take in a bunch of distraught children INTO YOUR HOUSE and give them STUFFED ANIMALS to "play" with without alerting authorities? And he refers to how he was ESPECIALLY sad...and HOPING IT WASN'T THIS SPECIFIC TEACHER -- to find out that their teacher was "That pretty 27 year old teacher, Victoria Soto" ...sorry, was he stalking her? How does he know her age? If he DID know her, he'd certainly mention that important detail (and does not)...No, he refers to the teacher in a way that reads like a character description from a SCRIPT. I studied a little movie script writing and that precisely how you would insert a succinnt, initial character description into a movie script..."A PRETTY 27 YEAR OLD TEACHER, VICTORIA SOTO" So, either these are LIES or this town has some serious, deep rooted rampant problems with professionalism and priorities. There is a great deal of information now on the web concerning Newtown, Connecticut, and the presence of active satanists. In fact, I just watched a youtube video in which a very reasonable-sounding man conjectured that the whole town is part of a satanic cult. It may be that many of the citizens are afraid of the cult members and have decided to keep quiet. Last Edited by 13th-Century on 12/31/2012 12:04 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30670070 United States 12/31/2012 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sandy Hook firefighter dies in hospital on 12/21 (one week after 12/14), no cause of death given. Granted he's 86 years old, but still a cause of death is often stated. [link to chappaqua.patch.com] "He was an active member of The American Legion and served sixty-five years as a volunteer firefighter in the Hook and Ladder Fire Company of Mt. Kisco, NY. " A firefighter for 65 years! Even if he was in a different fire company, he might have been a first responder with his local FD to this incident. Just a datapoint ... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28837935 United States 12/31/2012 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the editor were allowed to remain on the scene, there would be an expectation of real evacuation photos instead of a STOCK PHOTO FROM years back that is used to portray the evacuation. It's so strange someone with a camera who knows all the firefighters would be called back...to do what? I mean, there would be all this traffic and crap anyways...couldn't they coordinate ON THE PHONE? Strange. And what sort of school takes photos of drills, anyways? Especially a photo of a drill in which one child looks (maybe) distraught? Is that normal drill activity? A normal photo of a practice drill that would be put on a school's website might have children hanging around a firetruck or doing a drill with SMILES on their face? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28837935 United States 12/31/2012 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the editor were allowed to remain on the scene, there would be an expectation of real evacuation photos instead of a STOCK PHOTO FROM years back that is used to portray the evacuation. It's so strange someone with a camera who knows all the firefighters would be called back...to do what? I mean, there would be all this traffic and crap anyways...couldn't they coordinate ON THE PHONE? Strange. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28837935 And what sort of school takes photos of drills, anyways? Especially a photo of a drill in which one child looks (maybe) distraught? Is that normal drill activity? A normal photo of a practice drill that would be put on a school's website might have children hanging around a firetruck or doing a drill with SMILES on their face? Sorry my last sentence should read: Wouldn't a normal photo of a practice drill which would be put on a school's website have children hanging around a firetruck or doing a drill with SMILES on their faces? |
13th-Century User ID: 31055867 Canada 12/31/2012 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the editor were allowed to remain on the scene, there would be an expectation of real evacuation photos instead of a STOCK PHOTO FROM years back that is used to portray the evacuation. It's so strange someone with a camera who knows all the firefighters would be called back...to do what? I mean, there would be all this traffic and crap anyways...couldn't they coordinate ON THE PHONE? Strange. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28837935 And what sort of school takes photos of drills, anyways? Especially a photo of a drill in which one child looks (maybe) distraught? Is that normal drill activity? A normal photo of a practice drill that would be put on a school's website might have children hanging around a firetruck or doing a drill with SMILES on their face? Hey - wouldn't it be wild if even this famous photo were staged?! Somebody knew it would be useful to have when Dec. 14th rolled around. Just a conjecture. |