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Atrocities committed and commanded by the Old testament God

 
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Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death. Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also


At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.


Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, "Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death


Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar, "Do not let your hair become unkempt, and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the LORD will be angry with the whole community.


If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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See, that's where bible-bashers make their biggest mistake

and I believe they make that mistake on purpose



.

God is NOT the Bible


That needs to be understood and digested


God is NOT a book


That book was written by humans, by men. Men with agendas. Men who were half nuts. Men who plagiarised from earlier insane religious beliefs. Men who wanted to control. Men who wanted personal power. Men who wanted to be rich, etc.


NO one knows that God is or wants or believes

No one


Everything bible bashers claim to know emanates from a BOOK

That's all

a BOOK


So this thread and the assertions of the OP and those like him/her are FALLACY. Are WRONG. Are BULLSHIT


God is a hell of a lot bigger than any book

Know that
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The LORD listened to Israel's plea and gave the Canaanites over to them. They completely destroyed them and their towns; so the place was named Hormah.

(With God's blessing and assistance, the Israelites murder the Canaanites "completely", presumably meaning the usual slaughter of "young and old, women and children".)



they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!" Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.


The Israelites engage in "sexual immorality" and worship Baal, so God sends them a plague and instructs them to start killing one another. For some reason, he is pleased when Phinehas murders an Israelite and a Midianite woman who were bold enough to come before the others, so he stops the plague. Again, victimless crimes are punishable by death


If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer ... That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God.

Your brother, your children, your wife, or your closest friend must be killed if they commit the victimless crime of suggesting religious exploration
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Moses changed the Golden Calf into a Powder that he mixed with water and made people drink from.


Then he told them to pick up their swords and go around killing each other.





19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. 20 And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

21 He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”

22 “Do not be angry, my lord,” Aaron answered. “You know how prone these people are to evil. 23 They said to me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.’ 24 So I told them, ‘Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.’ Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!”

25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
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Moses changed the Golden Calf into a Powder that he mixed with water and made people drink from.


Then he told them to pick up their swords and go around killing each other.





19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. 20 And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

21 He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”

22 “Do not be angry, my lord,” Aaron answered. “You know how prone these people are to evil. 23 They said to me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.’ 24 So I told them, ‘Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.’ Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!”

25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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See, that's where bible-bashers make their biggest mistake

and I believe they make that mistake on purpose



.

God is NOT the Bible


That needs to be understood and digested


God is NOT a book


That book was written by humans, by men. Men with agendas. Men who were half nuts. Men who plagiarised from earlier insane religious beliefs. Men who wanted to control. Men who wanted personal power. Men who wanted to be rich, etc.


NO one knows that God is or wants or believes

No one


Everything bible bashers claim to know emanates from a BOOK

That's all

a BOOK


So this thread and the assertions of the OP and those like him/her are FALLACY. Are WRONG. Are BULLSHIT


God is a hell of a lot bigger than any book

Know that
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Then how do you know that God exists? God supposedly wrote the Bible. That is where the idea of who God is comes from.
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See, that's where bible-bashers make their biggest mistake

and I believe they make that mistake on purpose



.

God is NOT the Bible


That needs to be understood and digested


God is NOT a book


That book was written by humans, by men. Men with agendas. Men who were half nuts. Men who plagiarised from earlier insane religious beliefs. Men who wanted to control. Men who wanted personal power. Men who wanted to be rich, etc.


NO one knows that God is or wants or believes

No one


Everything bible bashers claim to know emanates from a BOOK

That's all

a BOOK


So this thread and the assertions of the OP and those like him/her are FALLACY. Are WRONG. Are BULLSHIT


God is a hell of a lot bigger than any book

Know that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31208720



either these things happened, or they didnt. which is it?
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aye. the true God. Blood religion. Man will not understand thinking in terms of right and wrong as we understand it. God does not see such things in those terms. Only absolute truth in divinity.

How sad or wrong, such things may seem to us looking through our eyes. But through the eyes of God divinity is divinity and truth is truth.
One must not view such things from our eyes, but seek the divinity and absolute truth.
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I always thought that when you saw "the LORD" in the Old Testament, it referred to the alien "gods" who were in control at that time on earth. I think they still are in control, just don't show themselves like then. Although, according to the OT, they didn't really show themselves then either.

And I'd also read that after Moses created a pact with them, he realized he'd been had, but it was too late for him to turn back.

Just another of the billions of viewpoints we all have of the Bible.
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If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.


If your wife touches your private parts during a public dispute, you must cut off her hand. Talk about a victimless crime;


I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever, when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders."


God proudly boasts of his own bloodlust


When Israel had finished killing all the men of Ai in the fields and in the desert where they had chased them, and when every one of them had been put to the sword, all the Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it. Twelve thousand men and women fell that day--all the people of Ai.


As usual, Joshua indiscriminately kills soldiers and civilians alike, women and children, all the people in the entire city
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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See, that's where bible-bashers make their biggest mistake

and I believe they make that mistake on purpose



.

God is NOT the Bible


That needs to be understood and digested


God is NOT a book


That book was written by humans, by men. Men with agendas. Men who were half nuts. Men who plagiarised from earlier insane religious beliefs. Men who wanted to control. Men who wanted personal power. Men who wanted to be rich, etc.


NO one knows that God is or wants or believes

No one


Everything bible bashers claim to know emanates from a BOOK

That's all

a BOOK


So this thread and the assertions of the OP and those like him/her are FALLACY. Are WRONG. Are BULLSHIT


God is a hell of a lot bigger than any book

Know that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31208720


Then how do you know that God exists? God supposedly wrote the Bible. That is where the idea of who God is comes from.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


God never wrote the bible, men did, and women and children have been suffering for it since the dawn of time.
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See, that's where bible-bashers make their biggest mistake

and I believe they make that mistake on purpose



.

God is NOT the Bible


That needs to be understood and digested


God is NOT a book


That book was written by humans, by men. Men with agendas. Men who were half nuts. Men who plagiarised from earlier insane religious beliefs. Men who wanted to control. Men who wanted personal power. Men who wanted to be rich, etc.


NO one knows that God is or wants or believes

No one


Everything bible bashers claim to know emanates from a BOOK

That's all

a BOOK


So this thread and the assertions of the OP and those like him/her are FALLACY. Are WRONG. Are BULLSHIT


God is a hell of a lot bigger than any book

Know that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31208720


Then how do you know that God exists? God supposedly wrote the Bible. That is where the idea of who God is comes from.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814


God never wrote the bible, men did, and women and children have been suffering for it since the dawn of time.
 Quoting: Pilgrim. 31218197


thanks, this part i understand and accept, but you didnt answer the question, did these events mentioned happen or not?
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As they fled before Israel on the road down from Beth Horon to Azekah, the LORD hurled large hailstones down on them from the sky, and more of them died from the hailstones than were killed by the swords of the Israelites. On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon."

So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD listened to a man. Surely the LORD was fighting for Israel!



A wonderful crazy-combo. God himself aids in the Israelite war effort by killing the Amorites with huge hailstones, thus putting to rest any apologist notions that the Israelites' atrocities went against his wishes. Then we enter the land of bizarre astrophysics, in which the Sun and the Moon "stopped in the middle of the sky" until Israel destroyed its enemies
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father Amaziah had done. The high places, however, were not removed; the people continued to offer sacrifices and burn incense there. The LORD afflicted the king with leprosy until the day he died.


More Old Testament religious tolerance: King Azariah is afflicted with leprosy not because he did anything wrong, but because he failed to destroy the "high places" of the idol-worshippers. In other words, he was slowly killed for not being intolerant enough.

When they first lived there, they did not worship the LORD; so he sent lions among them and they killed some of the people.

As usual, God kills people for not worshipping him


That night the angel of the LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning--there were all the dead bodies!

God kills 185,000 Assyrians in order to keep them from one of his "holy" places

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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery."


More militaristic bragging. God promises to bend the nations of the Earth to the will of a loyal follower, and to help him "dash them to pieces


The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates. On the wicked he will rain fiery coals and burning sulfur; a scorching wind will be their lot.


God promises to mercilessly punish the "wicked" and "those who love violence" (interesting that he describes them as two separate groups). Of course, he defines "wicked" in a rather curious way, as the term apparently included the innocent babies of Sodom and Gomorrah and countless other blameless children throughout the Old Testament. Moreover, it is rather hypocritical of him to hate those who love violence, since he loves violence himself

Consider this, you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with none to rescue:

God reminds us that if we forget him, he will tear us to pieces
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Like father like son eh,
apple does not fall far from tree.

probably more, pulling a blank.

Hey did you know the "Illuminati" actually work for the pope?

oh yeah, no such thing as the Illuminati.....
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Like father like son eh,
apple does not fall far from tree.

probably more, pulling a blank.

Hey did you know the "Illuminati" actually work for the pope?

oh yeah, no such thing as the Illuminati.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19133785


Jesus and his father is nothing like the Old Testament God,Jesus taught to turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor as yourself.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of men and animals. He sent his signs and wonders into your midst, O Egypt, against Pharaoh and all his servants. He struck down many nations and killed mighty kings.


More militaristic jingoism, including praise for the act of murdering the little babies of Egypt


By the wrath of the LORD Almighty the land will be scorched and the people will be fuel for the fire; no one will spare his brother. On the right they will devour, but still be hungry; on the left they will eat, but not be satisfied. Each will feed on the flesh of his own offspring.


(More "angry God" stuff. This time, he'll burn heathens with fire and make them eat their own children)
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Like father like son eh,
apple does not fall far from tree.

probably more, pulling a blank.

Hey did you know the "Illuminati" actually work for the pope?

oh yeah, no such thing as the Illuminati.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19133785


Jesus and his father is nothing like the Old Testament God,Jesus taught to turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor as yourself.
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jesus was a made up individual to promote oppression under
Roman authority and have people obey their mater in weakness. The majority of the new testament, turn the other check, do what authorities tell you, was written to keep the slave class of the time from uprising.
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Like father like son eh,
apple does not fall far from tree.

probably more, pulling a blank.

Hey did you know the "Illuminati" actually work for the pope?

oh yeah, no such thing as the Illuminati.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19133785


Jesus and his father is nothing like the Old Testament God,Jesus taught to turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor as yourself.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


jesus was a made up individual to promote oppression under
Roman authority and have people obey their mater in weakness. The majority of the new testament, turn the other check, do what authorities tell you, was written to keep the slave class of the time from uprising.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30903996


I take the good parts of the Jesus character and use that,you know like be kind give cheerfully etc it couldn't hurt
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85

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