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What is the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" anyhow?

 
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What is the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" anyhow?
I'm not asking because I do not know. I'm asking to prove a point. If anyone here at GLP has the gonads enough to try and answer this I'll see if my theory is correct or not. Later I will tell you what the gospel really is and always was, and it's not what you thought in all likelihood.
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"What is the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" anyhow?"

... simply put, lol... love.

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That IMO would be teaching and preaching what Jesus taught and knew while proclaiming Christ is lord and he died for the peoples sins, so forth through confessing and fixing our sins we too may be saved.
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JUST TWO ideas alone.

1) He died to take the sins of the world
onto himself.

2) He WILL return ' in the latter days'
to earth.

Asked the outgoing young minister and the incoming old minister this very same question. BOTH could ONLY give me the first, with much licking of lips and looking over the shoulder to see if anyone heard the answer.
Then they asked me why I asked. I said I knew the first one since I was 9 years old and wondered WHY they NEVER talked about the second. NO answer, but I assumed
the ' flock' only wanted to hear 'nice' things on Sunday and NO ONE wanted to face the sceond one, because that meant stopping their sinning, if you think about it.
I left the church shortly after, because they had the sabbath wrong too, and chose that as a work day.

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NEEDS reading; answers. Bump.
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"thomas" and the cothlics keep it locked up i'll find a link


oh but of course christ and all that shit is well........ shit
Heads is NO. Tails is YES.
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[link to www.earlychristianwritings.com]
Heads is NO. Tails is YES.
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Anything done without love is dead.
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rem why do you ask?

whats your theory
Heads is NO. Tails is YES.
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"



>>>He died to take the sins of the world
onto himself.>>>

The above means that Jesus actually FELT how those that reject his message would feel when they go back into the spirit world.
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gospel = good news
good news =Jesus crucified and ressurection
through Him ,and believing him Lord and that he was rasied from the dead.....
= SALVATION
GOOD NEWS


(is yourpoint that many dont know what it means ?


well if none do, than here it is
let it be a seed that grrows in good soil



and then officially = Gospel
a reward for good tidings
good tidings
the glad tidings of the kingdom of God soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom. After the death of Christ, the term comprises also the preaching of (concerning) Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for the men in the kingdom of God, but as restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God in heaven, thence to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom of God
the glad tidings of salvation through Christ
the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Christ
the gospel
as the messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death, the narrative of the sayings, deeds, and death of Jesus Christ came to be called the gospel or glad tidings
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love and worship your (false) saviour (christ)
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Gospel Q

Early Christian sayings ascribed to Jesus

The Sayings Gospel Q is an archaic collection of sayings ascribed to Jesus, even older than the Gospels in the New Testament. In fact, it is the oldest Gospel of Christianity. Yet it is not in the New Testament itself. Rather, it was known to, and used by, the Evangelists of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, and then lost from sight. After all, Q is the Gospel of Jewish Christianity, which continued in Galilee to proclaim Jesus’ sayings, but the New Testament is the book preserving the ancient sources of Gentile Christianity, the oldest being the letters of Paul, for whom Jesus’ cross and resurrection, not his sayings, were central to the Christian message.

The English Translation of Q



Q 3:2b, 3 The Introduction of John

2b <…> John in the wilderness .. 3 <…> all the region of the Jordan <…>.

Q 3:7-9 John´s Announcement of Judgment

7 He said to the ·crowds coming to be‚ bapti·zed‚: Snakes’ litter! Who warned you to run from the impending rage?

8 So bear fruit worthy of repentance, and do not presume to tell yourselves: We have as «fore»father Abraham! For I tell you: God can produce children for Abraham right out of these rocks!

9 And the ax already lies at the root of the trees. So every tree not bearing healthy fruit is to be chopped down and thrown on the fire.

Q 3:16b-17 John and the One to Come

16b I baptize you ·in‚ water, but the one to come after me is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to ·take off‚. He will baptize you in ·holy‚ Spirit and fire.

17 His pitchfork «is» in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather the wheat into his granary, but the chaff he will burn on a fire that can never be put out.

Q 3:·21-22‚ ·The Baptism of Jesus‚

·21‚ ·... Jesus ... baptized, heaven opened ..,‚ ·22‚ ·and .. the Spirit ... upon him ... Son ... .‚

Q 4:1-4, 9-12, 5-8, 13 The Temptations of Jesus

1 And Jesus was led ·into‚ the wilderness by the Spirit 2 ·to be‚ tempted by the devil. And «he ate nothing» for forty days, .. he became hungry.

3 And the devil told him: If you are God´s Son, order that these stones become loaves.

4 And Jesus answered ·him‚: It is written: A person is not to live only from bread.

9 ·The devil‚ took him along to Jerusalem and put him on the tip of the temple and told him: If you are God´s Son, throw yourself down.

10 For it is written: He will command his angels about you,

11 and on their hands they will bear you, so that you do not strike your foot against a stone.

12 And Jesus ·in reply‚ told him: It is written: Do not put to the test the Lord your God.

5 And the devil took him along to a ·very high‚ mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor,

6 and told him: All these I will give you,

7 if you bow down before me.

8 And ·in reply‚ Jesus told him: It is written: Bow down to the Lord your God, and serve only him.

13 And the devil left him.

Q 4:16 Nazara

16 <…> Nazara <…>.

Q 6:20-21 The Beatitudes for the Poor, Hungry, and Mourning

20 <…> And ·rais‚ing his ·eyes to‚ his disciples he said: Blessed are ·«you»‚ poor, for God´s reign is for ·you‚.

21 Blessed are ·«you»‚ who hunger, for ·you‚ will eat ·your‚ fill. Blessed are ·«you»‚ who ·mourn‚, for ·<you> will be consoled‚.

Q 6:22-23 The Beatitude for the Persecuted

22 Blessed are you when they insult and ·persecute‚ you, and ·say every kind of‚ evil ·against‚ you because of the son of humanity.

23 Be glad and ·exult‚, for vast is your reward in heaven. For this is how they ·persecuted‚ the prophets who «were» before you.

Q 6: 27-28, 35c-d Love Your Enemies

27 Love your enemies 28 ·and‚ pray for those ·persecuting‚ you, 35c-d so that you may become sons of your Father, for he raises his sun on bad and ·good and rains on the just and unjust‚.

Q 6:29-30 Renouncing One´s Own Rights

29 ·The one who slaps‚ you on the cheek, offer ·him‚ the other as well; and ·to the person wanting to take you to court and get‚ your shirt, ·turn over to him‚ the coat as well. ·

29?30/Matt 5:41‚ ·«And the one who conscripts you for one mile, go with him a second.»‚

30 To the one who asks of you, give; and ·from the one who borrows, do not ·ask‚ back ·«what is»‚ yours.

Q 6:31 The Golden Rule

31 And the way you want people to treat you, that is how you treat them.

Q 6:32, 34 Impartial Love

32 .. If you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Do not even tax collectors do the same?

34 And if you ·lend «to those» from whom you hope to receive, what <reward do> you < have>?‚??? Do not even ·the Gentiles‚ do the same?

Q 6:36 Being Full of Pity like Your Father

36 Be full of pity, just as your Father .. is full of pity.

Q 6:37-38 Not Judging

37 .. Do not pass judgment, «so» you are not judged. ·For with what judgment you pass judgment, you will be judged.‚

38 ·And‚ with the measurement you use to measure out, it will be measured out to you.

Q 6:39 The Blind Leading the Blind

39 Can a blind person show the way to a blind person? Will not both fall into a pit?

Q 6:40 The Disciple and the Teacher

40 A disciple is not superior to «one´s» teacher. ·It is enough for the disciple that he become‚ like his teacher.

Q 6:41-42 The Speck and the Beam

41 And why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but the beam in your own eye you overlook?

42 How «can you say» to your brother: Let me throw out the speck ·from‚ your eye, and just look at the beam in your own eye? Hypocrite, first throw out from your own eye the beam, and then you will see clearly to throw out the speck «in» your brother’s eye.

Q 6:43-45 The Tree Is Known by its Fruit

43 .. No healthy tree bears rotten fruit, nor ·on the other hand‚ does a decayed tree bear healthy fruit.

44 For from the fruit the tree is known. Are figs picked from thorns, or grape·s‚ from thistles?

45 The good person from «one´s» good treasure casts up good things, and the evil ·person‚ from the evil ·treasure‚ casts up evil things. For from exuberance of heart ·one´s‚ mouth speaks.

Q 6:46 Not Just Saying Master, Master

46 .. Why do you call me: Master, Master, and do not do what I say?


Q 6:47-49 Houses Built on Rock or Sand

47 Everyone hearing my words and acting on them ..

48 is like a person who built ·one’s‚ house on bedrock; and the rain poured down and the flash-floods came, ·and the winds blew‚ and pounded that house, and it did not collapse, for it was founded on bedrock.

49 And ·everyone‚ who hears ·my words‚ and does not act on ·them‚ is like a person who built ·one’s‚ house on the sand; and the rain poured down and the flash-floods came, ·and the winds blew‚ and battered that house, and promptly it collapsed, and its ·fall‚ was devastating.

Q 7:1, 3, 6b-9, ?10? The Centurion´s Faith in Jesus´ Word

1 ·And it came to pass when‚ he .. ended these sayings, he entered Capernaum.

3 There came to him a centurion exhorting him ·and saying: My‚ boy ·<is> doing badly. And he said to him: Am I‚, by coming, to heal him?

6b-c And in reply the centurion said: Master, I am not worthy for you to come under my roof;

7 but say a word, and ·let‚ my boy ·be‚ healed.

8 For I too am a person under authority, with soldiers under me, and I say to one: Go, and he goes, and to another: Come, and he comes, and to my slave: Do this, and he does «it» .

9 But Jesus, on hearing, was amazed, and said to those who followed: I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith. ?10? <..>

Q 7:18-23 John´s Inquiry about the One to Come

18 And John, on hearing .. ·about all these things‚,

19 sending through his disciples, ·said‚ to him: Are you the one to come, or are we to expect someone else?

22 And in reply he said to them: Go report to John what you hear and see: The blind regain their sight and the lame walk around, the skin-diseased are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised, and the poor are given good news.

23 And blessed is whoever is not offended by me.

Q 7:24-28 John — More than a Prophet

24 And when they had left, he began to talk to the crowds about John: What did you go out into the wilderness to look at? A reed shaken by the wind?

25 If not, what did you go out to see? A person arrayed in finery? Look, those wearing finery are in kings´ houses.

26 But «then» what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, even more than a prophet!

27 This is the one about whom it has been written: Look, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your path in front of you.

28 I tell you: There has not arisen among women´s offspring «anyone» who surpasses John. Yet the least significant in God´s kingdom is more than he.

Q 7:·29-30‚ ·For and Against John‚

·29‚ ·«For John came to you» .., ... the tax collectors and ... «responded positively»,‚ ·30‚ ·but «the religious authorities rejected» him.‚

Q 7:31-35 This Generation and the Children of Wisdom

31 .. To what am I to compare this generation and what <is it> like?

32 It is like children seated in ·the‚ market-place·s‚, who, addressing ·the others‚, say: We fluted for you, but you would not dance; we wailed, but you would not cry.

33 For John came, neither eating nor drinking, and you say: He has a demon!

34 The son of humanity came, eating and drinking, and you say: Look! A person «who is» a glutton and drunkard, a chum of tax collectors and sinners!

35 But Wisdom was vindicated by her children.

Q 9:57-60 Confronting Potential Followers

57 And someone said to him: I will follow you wherever you go. 58 And Jesus said to him: Foxes have holes, and birds of the sky have nests; but the son of humanity does not have anywhere he can lay his head. 59 But another said to him: Master, permit me first to go and bury my father. 60 But he said to him: Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.

Q 10:2 Workers for the Harvest

2 He said to his disciples: The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. So ask the Lord of the harvest to dispatch workers into his harvest.

Q 10:3 Sheep among Wolves

3 Be on your way! Look, I send you like sheep in the midst of wolves.

Q 10:4 No Provisions

4 Carry no ·purse‚, not knapsack, nor sandals, nor stick, and greet no one on the road.

Q 10:5-9 What to Do in Houses and Towns

5 Into whatever house you enter, ·first‚ say: Peace ·to this house‚!

6 And if a son of peace be there, let your peace come upon him; but if not, ·let‚ your peace ·return upon‚ you.

7 ·And at that house‚ remain, «eating and drinking whatever they provide», for the worker is worthy of one’s reward. ·Do not move around from house to house.‚

8 And whatever town you enter and they take you in, ·«eat what is set before you»‚.

9 And cure the sick there, and say ·to them‚: The kingdom of God has reached unto you.

Q 10:10-12 Response to a Town´s Rejection

10 But into whatever town you enter and they do not take you in, on going out ·from that town‚, 11 shake off the dust from your feet. 12 I tell you: For Sodom it shall be more bearable on that day than for that town.

Q 10:13-15 Woes against Galilean Towns

13 Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the wonders performed in you had taken place in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, in sackcloth and ashes. 14 Yet for Tyre and Sidon it shall be more bearable at the judgment than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, up to heaven will you be exalted? Into Hades shall you come down!

Q 10:16 Whoever Takes You in Takes Me in

16 Whoever takes you in takes me in, ·and‚ whoever takes me in takes in the one who sent me.

Q 10:21 Thanksgiving that God Reveals Only to Children

21 At «that time» he said: I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for you hid these things from sages and the learned, and disclosed them to children. Yes, Father, for that is what it has pleased you to do.

Q 10:22 Knowing the Father through the Son

22 Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, nor ·does anyone know‚ the Father except the Son, and to whomever the Son chooses to reveal him.

Q 10:23-24 The Beatitude for the Eyes that See

23 Blessed are the eyes that see what you see .. .

24 For I tell you: Many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see, but never saw it, and to hear what you hear, but never heard it.

Q 11:2b-4 The Lord’s Prayer

2b ·When‚ you pray, ·say‚: Father — may your name be kept holy! — let your reign come:

3 Our day’s bread give us today;

4 and cancel our debts for us, as we too have cancelled for those in debt to us; and do not put us to the test!

Q 11:9-13 The Certainty of the Answer to Prayer

9 I tell you, ask and it will be given to you, search and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you.

10 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who searches finds, and to the one who knocks will it be opened.

11 .. What person of you, whose son asks for bread, will give him a stone?

12 Or again when he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?

13 So if you, though evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, by how much more will the Father from heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Q 11:14-15, 17-20 Refuting the Beelzebul Accusation

14 And he cast out a demon «which made a person» mute. And once the demon was cast out, the mute person spoke. And the crowds were amazed.

15 But some said: By Beelzebul, the ruler of demons, he casts out demons!

17 But, knowing their thoughts, he said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself is left barren, and every household divided against itself will not stand.

18 And if Satan is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand?

19 And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, your sons, by whom do they cast «them» out? This is why they will be your judges.

20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then there has come upon you God’s reign.

Q 11:·21-22‚ ·Looting a Strong Person‚

·21‚ ·«A strong person’s house cannot be looted,»‚ ·22‚ ·«but if someone still stronger overpowers him, he does get looted.»‚

Q 11:23 The One not with Me

23 The one not with me is against me, and the one not gathering with me scatters.

Q 11:24-26 The Return of the Unclean Spirit

24 When the defiling spirit has left the person, it wanders through waterless regions looking for a resting-place, and finds none. ·Then‚ it says, I will return to my house from which I came.

25 And on arrival it finds «it» swept and tidied up. 26 Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and, moving in, they settle there. And the last «circumstances» of that person become worse than the first.

Q 11: ?27-28? ?Hearing and Keeping God’s Word?

?27-28? ..

Q 11:16, 29-30 The Sign of Jonah for This Generation

16 ·But‚ some .. were demanding from him a sign.


29 But .. ·he said‚ ..: This generation is an evil .. generation; it demands a sign, and a sign will not be given to it — except the sign of Jonah!

30 For as Jonah became to the Ninevites a sign, so ·also‚ will the son of humanity be to this generation.

Q 11:31-32 Something More than Solomon and Jonah

31 The queen of the South will be raised at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to the wisdom of Solomon, and look, something more than Solomon is here!

32 Ninevite men will arise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it. For they repented at the announcement of Jonah, and look, something more than Jonah is here!

Q 11:33 The Light on the Lampstand

33 No one light<s> a lamp and puts it ·in a hidden place‚, but on the lampstand, ·and it gives light for everyone in the house‚.

Q 11:34-35 The Jaundiced Eye Darkens the Body´s Light

34 The lamp of the body is the eye. If your eye is generous, your whole body ·is‚ radiant; but if your eye is jaundiced, your whole body «is» dark. 35 So if the light within you is dark, how great «must» the darkness «be»!

Q 11:?39a?, 42, 39b, 41, 43-44 Woes against the Pharisees

?39a? .. 42 Woe for you, Pharisees, for you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and ·give up‚ justice and mercy and faithfulness. But these one had to do, without giving up those.

39b Woe to you, Pharisees, for you purify the outside of the cup and dish, but inside ·they are‚ full of plunder and dissipation.

41 ·Purify‚ .. the inside of the cup, … its outside … pure. 43 Woe to you, Pharisees, for <you> love ·the place of honor at banquets and‚ the front seat in the synagogues and accolades in the markets. 44 Woe to you, ·Pharisees,‚ for you are like indistinct tombs, and people walking on top are unaware.

Q 11:46b, 52, 47-48 Woes against the Exegetes of the Law

46b ·And‚ woe to you, ·exegetes of the Law,‚ for <you> ·bind‚ ... burdens, ·and load on the backs of people, but‚ <you your>selves do not ·want «to lift»‚ your finger ·to move‚ them.

52 Woe to you, ·exegetes of the Law,‚ for you shut the ·kingdom of <God> from people‚; you did not go in, ·nor‚ let in those «trying to» get in.

47 Woe to you, for you built the tombs of the prophets, but your «fore»fathers killed them.

48 «Thus» ·you‚ witness ·against yourselves that‚ you are ·sons‚ of your «fore»fathers. ..

Q 11:49-51 Wisdom’s Judgment on This Generation

49 Therefore also .. Wisdom said: I will send them prophets and sages, and «some» of them they will kill and persecute,

50 so that «a settling of accounts for» the blood of all the prophets poured out from the founding of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from «the» blood of Abel to «the» blood of Zechariah, murdered between the sacrificial altar and the House. Yes, I tell you, «an accounting» will be required of this generation!

Q 12: 2-3 Proclaiming What Was Whispered

2 Nothing is covered up that will not be exposed, and hidden that will not be known. 3 What I say to you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear «whispered» in the ear, proclaim on the housetops.

Q 12:4-5 Not Fearing the Body’s Death

4 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. 5 But fear .. the one who is able to destroy both the soul and body in Gehenna.

Q 12:6-7 More Precious than Many Sparrows

6 Are not ·five‚ sparrows sold for ·two‚ cents? And yet not one of them will fall to earth without ·your Father´s‚ «consent». 7 But even the hairs of your head all are numbered. Do not be afraid, you are worth more than many sparrows.

Q 12:8-9 Confessing or Denying

8 Anyone who ·may‚ speak out for me in public, ·the son of humanity‚ will also speak out for him before the angels .. .

9 But whoever may deny me in public ·will be‚ den·ied‚ before the angels .. .

Q 12:10 Speaking against the Holy Spirit

10 And whoever says a word against the son of humanity, it will be forgiven him; but whoever ·speaks‚ against the holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.

Q 12:11-12 Hearings before Synagogues

11 When they bring you before synagogues, do not be anxious about how or what you are to say;

12 for ·the holy Spirit will teach‚ you in that .. hour what you are to say.

Q 12:33-34 Storing up Treasures in Heaven

33 «Do not treasure for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and gnawing deface and where robbers dig through and rob,» but treasure for yourselves treasure«s» in heaven, where neither moth nor gnawing defaces and where robbers do not dig through nor rob.

34 For where your treasure is, there will also be your heart.

Q 12:22b-31 Free from Anxiety like Ravens and Lilies

22b Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you are to eat, nor about your body, with what you are to clothe yourself.

23 Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?

24 Consider the ravens: They neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet God feeds them. Are you not better than the birds?

25 And who of you by being anxious is able to add to one´s stature a .. cubit?

26 And why are you anxious about clothing?

27 ·Observe‚ the lilies, how they grow: They do not work nor do they spin. Yet I tell you: Not even Solomon in all his glory was arrayed like one of these.

28 But if in the field the grass, there today and tomorrow thrown into the oven, God clothes thus, will he not much more clothe you, persons of petty faith!

29 ·So‚ do not be anxious, saying: What are we to eat? ·Or:‚ What are we to drink? ·Or:‚ What are we to wear?

30 For all these the Gentiles seek; ·for‚ your Father knows that you need them ·all‚.

31 But seek his kingdom, and ·all‚ these shall be granted to you.

Q 12:39-40 The Son of Humanity Comes as a Robber

39 But know ·this‚: If the householder had known in which watch the robber was coming, he would not have let his house be dug into.

40 You also must be ready, for the Son of Humanity is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Q 12:42-46 The Faithful or Unfaithful Slave

42 Who then is the faithful ·and‚ wise slave whom the master put over his household to give ·them‚ food on time?

43 Blessed is that slave whose master, on coming, will find so doing. 44 ·Amen‚, I tell you, he will appoint him over all his possessions. 45 But if that slave says in his heart: My master is delayed, and begins to beat ·his fellow slaves‚, and eats and drinks ·with the‚ drunk·ards‚, 46 the master of that slave will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him to pieces and give him an inheritance with the faithless.

Q 12:·49‚, 51, 53 Children against Parents

·49‚ ·«Fire have I come to hurl on the earth, and how I wish it had already blazed up!»‚

51 ·Do you‚ think that I have come to hurl peace on earth? I did not come to hurl peace, but a sword!

53 For I have come to divide son against father, ·and‚ daughter against her mother, ·and‚ daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

Q 12:·54-56‚ ·Judging the Time‚

·54‚ ·«But he said to them:» When evening has come, you say: Good weather! For the sky is flame red.‚ ·

55‚ ·And at dawn: Today «it´s» wintry! For the lowering sky is flame red.‚ ·

56‚ ·The face of the sky you know to interpret, but the time you are not able to?‚

Q 12:58-59 Settling out of Court

58 ·While‚ you «go along» with your opponent on the way, make an effort to get loose from him, lest ·the opponent‚ hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the assistant, and ·the <assistant>‚ throw ·you‚ into prison.

59 I say to you: You will not get out of there until you pay the last ·penny‚.

Q 13:18-19 The Parable of the Mustard Seed

18 What is the kingdom of God like, and with what am I to compare it?

19 It is like a seed of mustard, which a person took and threw into his ·garden‚. And it grew and developed into a tree, and the birds of the sky nested in its branches.

Q 13:20-21 The Parable of the Yeast

20 ·And again‚: With what am I to compare the kingdom of God? 21 It is like yeast, which a woman took «and» hid in three measures of flour until it was fully fermented.

Q 13:24-27 I Do Not Know You

24 Enter through the narrow door, for many will seek to enter and few ·are those who <enter through> it‚.

25 When the ·householder has arisen‚ and locked the door, ·and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door,‚ saying: Master, open for us, and he will answer you: I do not know you.

26 Then you will begin saying: We ate in your presence and drank, and «it was» in our streets you taught.

27 And he will say to you: I do not know you! Get away from me, ·you who‚ do lawlessness!

Q 13:29, 28 Replaced by People from East and West

29 ·And many‚ shall come from Sunrise and Sunset and recline 28 with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God, but ·you will be‚ thrown out ·into the‚ out·er darkness‚, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.

Q 13:·30‚ ·The Reversal of the Last and the First‚

·30‚ ·.. The last will be first and the first last.‚

Q 13:34-35 Judgment over Jerusalem

34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her nestlings under her wings, and you were not willing! 35 Look, your house is forsaken! .. I tell you, you will not see me until ·«the time» comes when‚ you say: Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord!

Q 14:·11‚ ·The Exalted Humbled and the Humble Exalted‚

·11‚ ·Everyone exalting oneself will be humbled, and the one humbling oneself will be exalted.‚

Q 14: 16-18, ?19-20?, 21, 23 The Parable of the Invited Dinner Guests

16 A certain person prepared a ·large‚ dinner, ·and invited many‚.

17 And he sent his slave ·at the time of the dinner‚ to say to the invited: Come, for it is now ready.

18 «One declined because of his» farm. ?

19? «Another declined because of his business.» ?

21 «And the slave, <on coming, said> these things to his master.» Then the householder, enraged, said to his slave:

23 Go out on the roads, and whomever you find, invite, so that my house may be filled.

Q 14:26 Hating One’s Family

26 ·<The one who>‚ does not hate father and mother <can>not <be> my <disciple>; and ·<the one who>‚ <does not hate> son and daughter cannot be my disciple.

Q 14:27 Taking One’s Cross

27 .. The one who does not take one´s cross and follow after me cannot be my disciple.

Q 17:33 Losing One’s Life

33 ·The one who‚ finds one’s life will lose it, and ·the one who‚ loses one’s life ·for my sake‚ will find it.

Q 14:34-35 Insipid Salt

34 Salt ·is good‚; but if salt becomes insipid, with what will it be ·seasoned‚?

35 Neither for the earth nor for the dunghill is it ·fit‚ — it gets thrown out.

Q 16:13 God or Mammon

13 No one can serve two masters; for a person will either hate the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Mammon.

Q 16:16 Since John the Kingdom of God

16 .. The law and the prophets «were» until John. From then «on» the kingdom of God is violated and the violent plunder it.

Q 16:17 No Serif of the Law to Fall

17 ·But it is easier for‚ heaven and earth ·to‚ pass away ·than for one iota or‚ one serif of the law ·to fall‚.

Q 16:18 Divorce Leading to Adultery

18 Everyone who divorces his wife ·and marries another‚ commits adultery, and the one who marries a divorcée commits adultery.

Q 17:1-2 Against Enticing Little Ones

1 It is necessary for enticements to come, but woe «to the one» through whom they come!

2 It is better for him ·if‚ a millstone is put around his neck and he is thrown into the sea, than that he should entice one of these little ones.

Q 15:4-5a, 7 The Lost Sheep

4 Which person «is there» among you «who» has a hundred sheep, ·on losing‚ one of them, ·will‚ not leave the ninety-nine ·in the mountains‚ and go ·hunt for‚ the ·lost one‚?

5a And if it should happen that he finds it,

7 I say to you that he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.

Q 15:·8-10‚ ·The Lost Coin‚

·8‚ ·«Or what woman who has ten coins, if she were to lose one coin, would not light a lamp and sweep the house and hunt until she finds?»‚ ·

9‚ ·«And on finding she calls the friends and neighbors, saying: Rejoice with me, for I found the coin which I lost.»‚ ·

10‚ ·«Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels over one repenting sinner.»‚

Q 17:3-4 Forgiving a Sinning Brother Repeatedly

3 If your brother sins ·against you‚, rebuke him; and if ·he repents‚, forgive him. 4 And if seven times a day he sins against you, also seven times shall you forgive him.

Q 17:6 Faith Like a Mustard Seed

6 If you have faith like a mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree: Be uprooted and planted in the sea! And it would obey you.

Q 17: ·20-21‚ ·The Kingdom of God within You‚

·20‚ ·«But on being asked when the kingdom of God is coming, he answered them and said: The kingdom of God is not coming visibly.»‚ ·21‚ ·«Nor will one say:» Look, here! or: «There! For, look, the kingdom of God is within you!»‚

Q 17:23-24 The Son of Humanity Like Lightning

23 If they say to you: Look, he is in the wilderness, do not go out; look, he is indoors, do not follow. 24 For as the lightning streaks out from Sunrise and flashes as far as Sunset, so will be the Son of Humanity ·on his day‚.

Q 17:37 Vultures around a Corpse

37 Wherever the corpse, there the vultures will gather.

Q 17:26-27, ?28-29?, 30 As in the Days of Noah

26 .. ·As it took place in‚ the days of Noah, so will it be ·in the day<>‚ of the Son of Humanity. 27 ·For as in those days‚ they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark and the flood came and took them all, ?28-29? .. 30 so will it also be on the day the Son of Humanity is revealed.

Q 17:34-35 One Taken, One Left
34 I tell you, there will be two ·in the field‚; one is taken and one is left. 35 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one is taken and one is left.

Q 19:12-13, 15-24, 26 The Parable of the Entrusted Money

12 .. A certain person, on taking a trip,

13 called ten of his slaves and gave them ten minas and said to them: Do business until I come.

15 .. ·After a long time‚ the master of those slaves comes and settles accounts with them.

16 And the first ·came‚ saying: Master, your mina has produced ten more minas.

17 And he said to him: Well done, good slave, you have been faithful over a pittance, I will set you over much.

18 And the ·second‚ came saying: Master, your mina has earned five minas.

19 He said ·to him: Well done, good slave, you have been faithful over a pittance,‚ I will set you over much.

20 And the other came saying: Master,

21 ·I knew‚ you, that you are a hard person, reaping where you did not sow and gathering from where you did not winnow; and, scared, I ·went and‚ hid ·your mina‚ in ·the ground‚. Here, you have what belongs to you.

22 He said to him: Wicked slave! You knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather from where I have not winnowed?

23 ·Then you had to invest‚ my money ·with the‚ money·-changers‚! And at my coming I would have received what belongs to me plus interest.

24 So take from him the mina and give «to» the one who has the ten minas.

26 ·For‚ to everyone who has will be given; but from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

Q 22:28, 30 You Will Judge the Twelve Tribes of Israel

28 .. You who have followed me 30 will sit .. on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

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The gospel of truth is joy to those who have received from the Father of truth the gift of knowing him by the power of the Logos, who has come from the Pleroma and who is in the thought and the mind of the Father; he it is who is called "the Savior," since that is the name of the work which he must do for the redemption of those who have not known the Father. For the name of the gospel is the manifestation of hope, since that is the discovery of those who seek him, because the All sought him from whom it had come forth. You see, the All had been inside of him, that illimitable, inconceivable one, who is better than every thought.

This ignorance of the Father brought about terror and fear. And terror became dense like a fog, that no one was able to see. Because of this, error became strong. But it worked on its hylic substance vainly, because it did not know the truth. It was in a fashioned form while it was preparing, in power and in beauty, the equivalent of truth. This then, was not a humiliation for him, that illimitable, inconceivable one. For they were as nothing, this terror and this forgetfulness and this figure of falsehood, whereas this established truth is unchanging, unperturbed and completely beautiful.

For this reason, do not take error too seriously. Thus, since it had no root, it was in a fog as regards the Father, engaged in preparing works and forgetfulnesses and fears in order, by these means, to beguile those of the middle and to make them captive. The forgetfulness of error was not revealed. It did not become light beside the Father. Forgetfulness did not exist with the Father, although it existed because of him. What exists in him is knowledge, which was revealed so that forgetfulness might be destroyed and that they might know the Father, Since forgetfulness existed because they did not know the Father, if they then come to know the Father, from that moment on forgetfulness will cease to exist.

That is the gospel of him whom they seek, which he has revealed to the perfect through the mercies of the Father as the hidden mystery, Jesus the Christ. Through him he enlightened those who were in darkness because of forgetfulness. He enlightened them and gave them a path. And that path is the truth which he taught them. For this reason error was angry with him, so it persecuted him. It was distressed by him, so it made him powerless. He was nailed to a cross. He became a fruit of the knowledge of the Father. He did not, however, destroy them because they ate of it. He rather caused those who ate of it to be joyful because of this discovery.

And as for him, them he found in himself, and him they found in themselves, that illimitable, inconceivable one, that perfect Father who made the all, in whom the All is, and whom the All lacks, since he retained in himself their perfection, which he had not given to the all. The Father was not jealous. What jealousy, indeed, is there between him and his members? For, even if the Aeon had received their perfection, they would not have been able to approach the perfection of the Father, because he retained their perfection in himself, giving it to them as a way to return to him and as a knowledge unique in perfection. He is the one who set the All in order and in whom the All existed and whom the All lacked. As one of whom some have no knowledge, he desires that they know him and that they love him. For what is it that the All lacked, if not the knowledge of the Father?
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He became a guide, quiet and in leisure. In the middle of a school he came and spoke the Word, as a teacher. Those who were wise in their own estimation came to put him to the test. But he discredited them as empty-headed people. They hated him because they really were not wise men. After all these came also the little children, those who possess the knowledge of the Father. When they became strong they were taught the aspects of the Father's face. They came to know and they were known. They were glorified and they gave glory. In their heart, the living book of the Living was manifest, the book which was written in the thought and in the mind of the Father and, from before the foundation of the All, is in that incomprehensible part of him.

This is the book which no one found possible to take, since it was reserved for him who will take it and be slain. No one was able to be manifest from those who believed in salvation as long as that book had not appeared. For this reason, the compassionate, faithful Jesus was patient in his sufferings until he took that book, since he knew that his death meant life for many. Just as in the case of a will which has not yet been opened, for the fortune of the deceased master of the house is hidden, so also in the case of the All which had been hidden as long as the Father of the All was invisible and unique in himself, in whom every space has its source. For this reason Jesus appeared. He took that book as his own. He was nailed to a cross. He affixed the edict of the Father to the cross.

Oh, such great teaching! He abases himself even unto death, though he is clothed in eternal life. Having divested himself of these perishable rags, he clothed himself in incorruptibility, which no one could possibly take from him. Having entered into the empty territory of fears, he passed before those who were stripped by forgetfulness, being both knowledge and perfection, proclaiming the things that are in the heart of the Father, so that he became the wisdom of those who have received instruction. But those who are to be taught, the living who are inscribed in the book of the living, learn for themselves, receiving instructions from the Father, turning to him again.

Since the perfection of the All is in the Father, it is necessary for the All to ascend to him. Therefore, if one has knowledge, he gets what belongs to him and draws it to himself. For he who is ignorant, is deficient, and it is a great deficiency, since he lacks that which will make him perfect. Since the perfection of the All is in the Father, it is necessary for the All to ascend to him and for each one to get the things which are his. He registered them first, having prepared them to be given to those who came from him.

Those whose name he knew first were called last, so that the one who has knowledge is he whose name the Father has pronounced. For he whose name has not been spoken is ignorant. Indeed, how shall one hear if his name has not been uttered? For he who remains ignorant until the end is a creature of forgetfulness and will perish with it. If this is not so, why have these wretches no name, why do they have no sound? Hence, if one has knowledge, he is from above. If he is called, he hears, he replies, and he turns toward him who called him and he ascends to him and he knows what he is called. Since he has knowledge, he does the will of him who called him. He desires to please him and he finds rest. He receives a certain name. He who thus is going to have knowledge knows whence he came and whither he is going. He knows it as a person who, having become intoxicated, has turned from his drunkenness and having come to himself, has restored what is his own.
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Gospel of Truth

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Good question...

There may be a gospel that supercedes the one you inquired about... the gospel of Yahushua ha Mashiach!
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Adults believing in Fairy Tales. I've never met Santa or Jesus.

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Mrk 1:14-15
After John had been arrested, 8 Jesus came to Galilee proclaiming the gospel of God:
"This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."

Mt 12:28
"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Ac 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.

Ac 28:23
When they had set a day for Paul, they came to him at his lodging in large numbers; and he was explaining to them by solemnly testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to persuade them concerning Jesus, from both the Law of Moses and from the Prophets, from morning until evening.

Ac 28:31
preaching the kingdom of God and teaching concerning the Lord Jesus Christ with all openness, unhindered.

Ro 14:17
for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.


The kingdom of God was at hand during the ministry of John the baptist and arrived with the coming of our Lord Jesus. It was Jesus who first recieved the promised gift of the holy spirit of God, through which God preformed all manner of miracles as proof through Jesus. Jesus then poured that gift out at pentecost on th Apostles and through them to those who accept him. This continues to this day.

Simply put, the gospel is this; the kingdom (reign) of God (by the holy spirit of God) has come and by faith in Him and his anointed (who first recieved this promise then poured it out), whom He sent we may recieve it (the earnest of our inheritance, a portion of the age to come in the age that is).
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Wow text from a book. It MUST be God! So why isn't Dianetics the new better God?

This Bible deal is such a sham.
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OP I just read your first post; didn't look further...

Well, who was Jesus? What do you think has been going on? It has been the manifestation of God on Earth. The New Testament is exactly that; the testament of the coming of a new son. Just like how the Mayans talk of us going from the fourth to the fifth sun (son). Ever heard of the book Urantia? That book states that God creates a universe, then must experience the universe, in order to become god of the created universe.

Still with me? Well, ponder this; if the son of God incarnated on Earth, and not any other planet, in this universe, then what does that make Earth?

The human race right now is like a being that got kicked in the head by a horse, and is suffering from amnesia. You ever study the ancient buildings? The ancient peoples knew about the precession of the equanoxes, how? How did they get the knowledge to build the Great Pyramids?

Do you know God to be real?

Know what is funny? Jesus was Jewish. God gave the Jews the ten commandments. What is one commandment that God stressed to us? DON'T IDOL WORSHIP. Do not love another before me... Guess what the christian churches do today? They are idolizing the son of god. It makes sense that this is happening; just pointing out what it is...

So, have you sufficiently answered the question as to what Earth is; being the only planet that has recieved the son of god? Earth is the heart of the universe. Yes, man is made in god's image. We are co-creators of god, here, without knowing it.

We are not the mind; this is the heart. I hope that explians some things for you.

Remember that Star Trek movie where they had to go back in time to save a whale? What was that probe that came from outer space? What does it represent?
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Heh; BTW, one reason why Jesus died is becuase he had to go thru the cycle of Earth. Jesus was an injection of the mind; he had to lose that...

He also died because, by preaching, he went against free will. see, man needs to have free will to be co-creators. Jesus, in comparison to the rest of us humans, was like a cricket among ants. So, his preaching was like a cricket telling a bunch of ants how to be a cricket.

He was just a great man? Explain the virgin birth :) Explain what has happened, in his name, in the years since his death. Explain the rise of monotheism.

But, for the same reason of free will, the second coming will not be what Christains expect nowadays. Ya know, back then, the Jews were expecting some great messiah-king to save them from the Romans...
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C.S. Lewis really told it good in his Chronicles of Narnia books...
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Another good book to read is Anne Rice's Memnoch The Devil.
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You know my parents once sent me to some big time famous phsychic (SIC). She told me I have the potential to be like Jesus. I didn't say anything at the time; but what a laugh. There is only one son of a monotheistic god...
Maybe if she said I could be like a budda or like her...

What it all boils down to is god's will.

I have siad that I think Jesus was the reincarnation of Adam. People have responded by saying thats blashphemy. A pastor said that Jesus created Adam. But, by theirown religion, what was Jesus; He was the son of God. It was the father god that created Adam. But, the way I see it is Jesus is the chosen SOUL. The same soul that was Adam. Adam was the first one that god breathed a soul into.

Do you know there is much evidence that we were genetically manipulated in the past? "Aliens" have been doing the will of God, without knowing it. These aliens represent the mind of god....
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Another thing; kinda like how the united states are a melting pot of the world, earth is a melting pot of this universe.

All the blood gets pumped thru the heart.

If we are made in God's image, and you want to know God; look within :)
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Look at it this way. Say you are in a computer class in school. In this class the program being run is a build of the Sims game. This program, though, uses your own brain to create the game (you have wires and stuff attached to your head...). The student with the best build gets his game to be reality. That student was/is Jesus. That would be the definition of what Jesus was/is. Look at it another way; someone fell asleep and dreamed all of this. Then he appears in his own dream in first person. In this case the dream then killed him (giggle). Why? Why did the dream kill him? The beings in the dream that killed him (us humans) were made in the image of god. Ever consider that?
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"What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ?"


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the fact is... none of us believe it.


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For I am in the Father..and the Father in me. No man come unto the father..but by me.


Thats what it means to become Christlike. To be that which is the divinity within.
Hallelu YAH

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God teaches us things that He likes and dislikes. The penalty for doing many of the things that He dislikes is DEATH.

Prior to the coming of the messiah, when these rules were broken you were to experience death. In some cases a symbolic stand in was allowed, such as an unblemished animal.

This death was taken on by an unblemished man. Had He had any blemishes (sin) He would have been dying for His own rule-breaking. Instead, our Creator allows Him to be our permanent stand-in. We no longer are expected to die for our transgressions.

We must, however, recognize and admit our sinful nature to God and recognize this wonderful gift He has given us. If you do not formally accept the gift, you do not get the benefit of what's inside this gift box which is wrapped in the Blood of an unblemished Lamb.

Our Creator Almighty is awesome! Thank you Father for this gift!!

Hallelu YAH!




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"Jesus said: If those who lead you say unto you: Behold, the Kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will be before you. If they say unto you: It is in the sea, then the fish will be before you. But the Kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then shall you be known, and you shall know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if ye do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty."


"When you bring forth thadont_use_thisves, that which you have will save you. If you do not have thadont_use_thisves, that which you do not have in you will kill you."


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