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WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)

 
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I don't know why but I have a very strong feeling that this is a case of watch what the right hand is doing while the left hand picks your pockets.
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It's definately something to watch. I think we're all going to have whiplash, trying to watch everything.
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My neck hurts now!....lol
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US plans Syria invasion via Jordan with 20,000 soldiers

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The Pentagon is sending nearly 200 troops from the 1st Armored Division to establish a “small headquarters” near Jordan’s border with Syria and plan potential military operations, “including a rapid buildup of American forces if the White House decides intervention is necessary,” The Los Angeles Times reports on Thursday, citing ‘senior US officials.’
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US plans Syria invasion via Jordan with 20,000 soldiers

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The Pentagon is sending nearly 200 troops from the 1st Armored Division to establish a “small headquarters” near Jordan’s border with Syria and plan potential military operations, “including a rapid buildup of American forces if the White House decides intervention is necessary,” The Los Angeles Times reports on Thursday, citing ‘senior US officials.’
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Ayatollah TV??? They aren't the best source...particularly re: Syria

OT - Anyone else catch this? - Boston Bomber will not be Mirandized; DOJ relying on public safety exception.

What's the imminent threat to public safety? One brother is dead, the other is seriously injured & in custody.

Did they just admit they think this is bigger than the 2 brothers? Are there other members of the cell out there who constitute the imminent threat?
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Ayatollah TV??? They aren't the best source...particularly re: Syria

OT - Anyone else catch this? - Boston Bomber will not be Mirandized; DOJ relying on public safety exception.

What's the imminent threat to public safety? One brother is dead, the other is seriously injured & in custody.

Did they just admit they think this is bigger than the 2 brothers? Are there other members of the cell out there who constitute the imminent threat?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


BINGO!!! THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!

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Ayatollah TV??? They aren't the best source...particularly re: Syria

OT - Anyone else catch this? - Boston Bomber will not be Mirandized; DOJ relying on public safety exception.

What's the imminent threat to public safety? One brother is dead, the other is seriously injured & in custody.

Did they just admit they think this is bigger than the 2 brothers? Are there other members of the cell out there who constitute the imminent threat?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Actually, they do not have to Mirandize him until they ask him questions. At this point I don't believe he is in any shape to be answering questions, mainly because he has a trach in. Also, if they don't ask him any questions, but he volunteers information unsolicited, it can be used against him in court. There is also the public safety exception in cases of terrorism, it does not require imminent threat, but does set the stage for the type of prosecution they are looking at.

Last Edited by Gerry52 on 04/20/2013 12:30 AM
I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas!
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US SENDING TROOPS TO INTERVENE IN SYRIA:

LA TIMES
[link to www.thenewamerican.com]

CNN
[link to www.cnn.com]

REUTERS
^^^This site is a no no here but they have it

TIMES OF ISRAEL
[link to www.timesofisrael.com]

And just for good measure, we have a counter from Russian media:

RIANOVOSTI
US Troops in Jordan Will Only Add to Syrian Crisis

[link to en.rian.ru]
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Planning wasn't all that hot. If they had blown them off two hours earlier when the elite runners were crossing the finish line and the crowd was three or four the size it was at the times of the explosions there would have been many more people affected. Also, the timing between the two explosions should have been spaced twice as far apart. The first explosion was designed to be smaller and to drive the crowd to the second, substantially larger explosion, but 15 seconds isn't enough time to drive a shell shocked crowd that far in 15 seconds. I could go on and on...the planning was piss poor. Maybe even a lone wolf.
 Quoting: Gerry52


...oh, and I don't necessarily believe it or not believe it, I try to keep an open mind...but I did find it interesting, and it did me go "Hmmmm".
 Quoting: Gerry52

Lone wolf it could be, if in fact the bomber got stopped, the much worse results did not happen thank G D!
 Quoting: MIL MAN


I have heard he was tackled by some folks in the crowd and held for the cops. There must have been something that several members of the crowd saw or heard that triggered them into action. Somehow they collectively connected him with the explosion. Maybe he yelled something...that will be interesting to find out.
 Quoting: Gerry52


I said something was up with this guy...

[link to www.youtube.com]
I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas!
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Official, citing safety exception: Government doesn't have to read Miranda rights to bombings suspect.

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Al-Qaida affiliate in North Africa warns France, allies in Mali war face threat

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Chechnya and Dagestan: troubled corners

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Chechen President blames AMERICA for Boston bomb suspects' acts of evil because of 'immoral upbringing'

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Nathan J Hunt retweeted. Kyoto news: Chinese vessels enter Japanese waters around Senkakus. 6 min. ago.
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Nathan J Hunt retweeted. Kyoto news: Chinese vessels enter Japanese waters around Senkakus. 6 min. ago.
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Damn auto spell - Kyodo news
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Nathan J Hunt retweeted. Kyoto news: Chinese vessels enter Japanese waters around Senkakus. 6 min. ago.
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They just keep pushing on this one
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Nathan J Hunt retweeted. Kyoto news: Chinese vessels enter Japanese waters around Senkakus. 6 min. ago.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic


They just keep pushing on this one
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Yep...Not the first...joining others:

3 Chinese vessels enter Japanese territorial waters around Senkakus

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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...oh, and I don't necessarily believe it or not believe it, I try to keep an open mind...but I did find it interesting, and it did me go "Hmmmm".
 Quoting: Gerry52

Lone wolf it could be, if in fact the bomber got stopped, the much worse results did not happen thank G D!
 Quoting: MIL MAN


I have heard he was tackled by some folks in the crowd and held for the cops. There must have been something that several members of the crowd saw or heard that triggered them into action. Somehow they collectively connected him with the explosion. Maybe he yelled something...that will be interesting to find out.
 Quoting: Gerry52


I said something was up with this guy...

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Gerry52


Me too..
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US SENDING TROOPS TO INTERVENE IN SYRIA:

LA TIMES
[link to www.thenewamerican.com]

CNN
[link to www.cnn.com]

REUTERS
^^^This site is a no no here but they have it

TIMES OF ISRAEL
[link to www.timesofisrael.com]

And just for good measure, we have a counter from Russian media:

RIANOVOSTI
US Troops in Jordan Will Only Add to Syrian Crisis

[link to en.rian.ru]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


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N. Korea accepts China's offer for dialogue: Japanese newspaper

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N. Korea accepts China's offer for dialogue: Japanese newspaper

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Ayatollah TV??? They aren't the best source...particularly re: Syria

OT - Anyone else catch this? - Boston Bomber will not be Mirandized; DOJ relying on public safety exception.

What's the imminent threat to public safety? One brother is dead, the other is seriously injured & in custody.

Did they just admit they think this is bigger than the 2 brothers? Are there other members of the cell out there who constitute the imminent threat?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


BINGO!!! THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!

bump
 Quoting: Steve5728


right on the money


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Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 4m
@NT7S Seems India is keeping troops away from the Chinese outpost to prevent any miscalculations and also leaving open way for them to exit.
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@NT7S its legit I contacted a contact of mine in India and they confirmed it, also that situation is fluid.
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Thread: The Saudi was the Chechyans escape route. Think. (Page 2)

I only do that Bc I didnt wanna go ot here.. but I would appreciate your opinion. This is the best collection of international minds on glp and I think my thought makes sense from an operational standpoint
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Thread: The Saudi was the Chechyans escape route. Think. (Page 2)

I only do that Bc I didnt wanna go ot here.. but I would appreciate your opinion. This is the best collection of international minds on glp and I think my thought makes sense from an operational standpoint
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By this I mean ire thread mm. I follow it hourly since 2011
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Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 4m
@NT7S Seems India is keeping troops away from the Chinese outpost to prevent any miscalculations and also leaving open way for them to exit.
Details
Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH 6m
@NT7S its legit I contacted a contact of mine in India and they confirmed it, also that situation is fluid.
Details
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China knows this will get swept under the rug internationally in the west. By the time they pull out, Ha (its Friday), no one will believe it happened and Indians will know there's jack ish they can do to stop china
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Ayatollah TV??? They aren't the best source...particularly re: Syria

OT - Anyone else catch this? - Boston Bomber will not be Mirandized; DOJ relying on public safety exception.

What's the imminent threat to public safety? One brother is dead, the other is seriously injured & in custody.

Did they just admit they think this is bigger than the 2 brothers? Are there other members of the cell out there who constitute the imminent threat?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Actually, they do not have to Mirandize him until they ask him questions. At this point I don't believe he is in any shape to be answering questions, mainly because he has a trach in. Also, if they don't ask him any questions, but he volunteers information unsolicited, it can be used against him in court. There is also the public safety exception in cases of terrorism, it does not require imminent threat, but does set the stage for the type of prosecution they are looking at.
 Quoting: Gerry52


Gerry, you gonna argue the law w/ a law review editor??? ; )

Public Safety exception dates from 1980. It requires an imminent threat BUT the term "imminent threat" has been more broadly defined in terrorism cases (it's very narrowly defined in standard criminal cases).

From what I've read they are planning to try him in civilian court - so his trial will probably be similar to what we saw w/ the Times Square Bomber (also US citizen).

They did not Mirandize the Times Square bomber for a day (arrested Monday, Mirandized Tuesday). DOJ didn't disclose lack of Miranda warnings until after the fact. They are pre-announcing that they will not be Mirandizing the Chechen kid.

FBI website has decent article on Public Safety Exception -

[link to www.fbi.gov]
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Ayatollah TV??? They aren't the best source...particularly re: Syria

OT - Anyone else catch this? - Boston Bomber will not be Mirandized; DOJ relying on public safety exception.

What's the imminent threat to public safety? One brother is dead, the other is seriously injured & in custody.

Did they just admit they think this is bigger than the 2 brothers? Are there other members of the cell out there who constitute the imminent threat?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Actually, they do not have to Mirandize him until they ask him questions. At this point I don't believe he is in any shape to be answering questions, mainly because he has a trach in. Also, if they don't ask him any questions, but he volunteers information unsolicited, it can be used against him in court. There is also the public safety exception in cases of terrorism, it does not require imminent threat, but does set the stage for the type of prosecution they are looking at.
 Quoting: Gerry52


Gerry, you gonna argue the law w/ a law review editor??? ; )

Public Safety exception dates from 1980. It requires an imminent threat BUT the term "imminent threat" has been more broadly defined in terrorism cases (it's very narrowly defined in standard criminal cases).

From what I've read they are planning to try him in civilian court - so his trial will probably be similar to what we saw w/ the Times Square Bomber (also US citizen).

They did not Mirandize the Times Square bomber for a day (arrested Monday, Mirandized Tuesday). DOJ didn't disclose lack of Miranda warnings until after the fact. They are pre-announcing that they will not be Mirandizing the Chechen kid.

FBI website has decent article on Public Safety Exception -

[link to www.fbi.gov]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Based upon my understanding of the situation, and being a simple mortal, not a lawyer. They did not Mirandize him because they were not able to ask him any questions anyway and his state of consciousness may not have been at the level where he could have understood his rights nor would he have been able to acknowledge his understanding of them. Also, I'm sure they have enough evidence to convict him on a number of other charges already that will send him away for ever. They may also consider him an enemy combatant no matter how the prosecution progresses.
Due to a shot in the neck, they inserted a trach almost immediately after pulling him out of the boat where he was bleeding to death. Since a trach is placed below the voice box he would not have been able to speak. Yup, they could also claim the exception to cover their butts, however that doesn't mean they needed it. As you stated "the term "imminent threat" has been more broadly defined in terrorism cases"...this is a terrorism case, so imminent has become a somewhat nebulous term, which was my point.
I have learned 2 things, never argue with a lawyer and never argue with a woman...so as I have been taught over the years by multiple women...yes dear, you're right, I'm sorry...I'll be in the garage.

Last Edited by Gerry52 on 04/20/2013 11:47 AM
I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas!
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More Arms Trafficking? Czech Weapons Appear in Syria

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Guys, since Swin didn't post on here, I'm hoping he sent y'all pm's. In case he didn't, he deleted his account today. I don't know if he'll be back. I'll miss him.
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Guys, since Swin didn't post on here, I'm hoping he sent y'all pm's. In case he didn't, he deleted his account today. I don't know if he'll be back. I'll miss him.
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what's up with that? I sure hope he's alright.

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