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WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)

 
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This must have been big or well-timed

@AlArabiya_Eng: #BreakingNews: Death toll in Turkey bomb attacks climbs to 30: Turkish justice minister
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This must have been big or well-timed

@AlArabiya_Eng: #BreakingNews: Death toll in Turkey bomb attacks climbs to 30: Turkish justice minister
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Agreed -

From what I'm seeing/ reading this morning / appears it was three (3) car bombs.

That's planning, construction, and coordination - not a mistake or accident.
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This must have been big or well-timed

@AlArabiya_Eng: #BreakingNews: Death toll in Turkey bomb attacks climbs to 30: Turkish justice minister
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question now is...who did this?
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This must have been big or well-timed

@AlArabiya_Eng: #BreakingNews: Death toll in Turkey bomb attacks climbs to 30: Turkish justice minister
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Agreed -

From what I'm seeing/ reading this morning / appears it was three (3) car bombs.

That's planning, construction, and coordination - not a mistake or accident.
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Now reports of 40 killed/ 100 injured

These numbers will most likely adjust throughout the day.
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This must have been big or well-timed

@AlArabiya_Eng: #BreakingNews: Death toll in Turkey bomb attacks climbs to 30: Turkish justice minister
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Agreed -

From what I'm seeing/ reading this morning / appears it was three (3) car bombs.

That's planning, construction, and coordination - not a mistake or accident.
 Quoting: ClydeX


Now reports of 40 killed/ 100 injured

These numbers will most likely adjust throughout the day.
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that's a real shame, for the most part innocent people I imagine doing nothing more than going on about their business.
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This must have been big or well-timed

@AlArabiya_Eng: #BreakingNews: Death toll in Turkey bomb attacks climbs to 30: Turkish justice minister
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Agreed -

From what I'm seeing/ reading this morning / appears it was three (3) car bombs.

That's planning, construction, and coordination - not a mistake or accident.
 Quoting: ClydeX


Now reports of 40 killed/ 100 injured

These numbers will most likely adjust throughout the day.
 Quoting: ClydeX


that's a real shame, for the most part innocent people I imagine doing nothing more than going on about their business.
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Agreed, 'Zilla. This is at least an attempt to setting the stage against Syria. Turkey had just said this week that they would support the No Fly Zone, now there will be support generated within the Turkish people.

On another note: Sabbath is close to ending in Israel/ 17:40 currently.
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Al Jazeera now back to reporting two (2) cars were used - not three (3) as I stated earlier.

Al Jazeera--

Two vehicles packed with explosives blew up near the town hall and the post office in Reyhanli, Anatolia news agency quoted the minister as saying. aljazeera . com (left cold)

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Al Jazeera now back to reporting two (2) cars were used - not three (3) as i stated earlier.

Al Jazeera--

Two vehicles packed with explosives blew up near the town hall and the post office in Reyhanli, Anatolia news agency quoted the minister as saying. aljazeera . com (left cold)
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sounds like Kurdish rebels, not like Assad sanctioned attack.
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Posted by Limpan/ on the thread about the bombing(s):

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The Turkish Prime Minister says the Assad-Syrian government is behind today's twin blast in #Turkey.

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Breitbart is reporting that a source with intimate information about the events that happened on the ground in Benghazi the night the U.S. Consulate and the CIA annex was attacked by terrorists that, ultimately, only the President of the United States, or someone acting on his authority, could have prevented Special Forces either on the ground or nearby from helping those Americans who were under deadly assault.

That makes perfect sense if you understand the command-and-control structure of the Department of Defense and White House in these type of situations. The White House Situation Room would should have been intimately involved in the unfolding events in Libya.

So, what did the President know and what did the President do?

No one seems to know. Or no one is telling.

[link to www.breitbart.com]
 Quoting: Gerry52


Keep in mind - on August 9th (one month before attack) - Mohammed Magarief was named President of the GNC - de facto President of Libya. HIs long-time associate Ali Zeidan was named PM. Both men have been long associated with the CIA. Both men were living in DC Area when Libyan uprising broke out. Both men have large families & their adult children & young grandchildren are US citizens.

SO - you've installed two CIA assets in Libya. Their government, and thus hold on power, is extremely shaky. Libyans can be dumb, but they ain't that dumb. They've noticed that most members of their new parliament have dual citizenship. (Majority of parliament members hold either US, UK or Canadian citizenship). They know new leaders of government have 30 year association w/ CIA.

If Obama had ordered US troops into action in Benghazi, what would the end result have been? Easy part - Magarief/Zeidan government would have immediately collapsed. How many US citizens associated with that government, people the CIA literally flew into Libya in August, 2011, would have died?

Here's the Wikipedia entry on the NFSL/Magarief-

Mohamed Yousef el-Magariaf, a former Libyan ambassador to India, founded the NFSL on 7 October 1981... The NFSL launched a wide campaign to topple the regime of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, establishing a short-wave radio station, a commando military training camp and also published a bi-monthly newsletter, Al Inqadh (Salvation). According to various sources, the group was supported by the government of Saudi Arabia, and the United States' Central Intelligence Agency.

Obama made a tough call. He let a long-time CIA agent & some contractors die to keep CIA assets & their families safe. Asma al Magarief (President's daughter) has 4 children. All under the age of 8. All natural-born US Citizens. All were in Tripoli on the night of September 11th.

I've seen pictures of Asma's kids. Their lives have value too.
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


First let me tell you where I sit before I tell you where I stand. I have a dog in this fight. My comment would be so incredibly non politically correct that it is probably best I keep it to myself. I can only say that you can't justify bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior. I do not know what the outcome of saving the lives of these four men might have been, but I also know there was a good chance their lives could have been saved. There was nothing "fair" about this exchange.
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I apologize Gerry.

J4J - what article?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
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I hate it when people die to protect others who are the culprit.
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The 47th ‏@THE_47th 18m

Just got briefed by my source on what Robert Ford did when he snuck into #Syria briefly a few days ago. More to follow.

Robert Ford was in Syria for about 3 hours, of which he spent an hour & a half meeting General Abduljabbar Al Ogaidi.

As expected, Ambassador Ford bombarded Ogaidi with questions about JAN, and other Islamist forces, and asked for assurances.

Amb. Ford's handed Gen Ogaidi abt 1000 packages full of 'non lethal aid, and went on to assure Ogaidi that the US policy remains

Ford was adamant: nothing has changed, Assad won't be a part of any transitional Gov, and will be out of the picture.

Ambassador Ford then spent half an hour convincing Ogaidi to nominate ppl from his side to participate in the negotiations with Assad Gov

One big mistake Ogaidi did: he told Ford that Jabhat Al Nusra are not a problem, that they have been cooperating.

So I guess Al Ogaidi's future is done.

1 thing my source said about Ford's take on things: Russia is letting go of Assad, but not the rest of the regime.


Hasan Sari ‏@HasanSari7 4m

@THE_47th He also asked him (FSA) to openly detach themselves from JAN as it will be blacklisted by Security Council in few days.
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Turkey claims right to respond

Turkey reserves the right to take "every kind of measure" after car bomb attacks which killed more than 40 people in the southern town of Reyhanli near the border with Syria on Saturday, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has said.

[link to blogs.aljazeera.com]
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I apologize Gerry.

J4J - what article?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
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You are right about the money. The Magariefs are quite well-to-do. The rumor is that Saudi money is the source of the wealth. It's a real sore spot with Libyans.

Mohammed Magarief is a CIA asset not a CIA agent. I'm not sure how much he knew about CIA assessments of threats in Benghazi.

I know that the day after the attack he spent 14 hours straight in meetings with "Americans" and that he was shaken after the meetings.

I know that when the take back Benghazi protestors starting taking on the Islamists (6 Islamists were killed w/i days of Benghazi attack) it was Magarief who asked them to stop and that "Americans" has something to do with the request.

Bilal was one of the leaders of the Take Back Benghazi protests - just mention Mo Magarief to him & prepare for the rant. Some promises were made to the Libyan friends of Chris Stevens after the attack. Those promises weren't kept. That's all I know.

Both Asma & Bilal are on twitter of you are interested. Asma's been keeping a low profile; but Bilal is very vocal. BTW - They both tweet in English & Arabic (so easy to follow)
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You Hillary lovers in here ought to enjoy reading this

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I apologize Gerry.

J4J - what article?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
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You are right about the money. The Magariefs are quite well-to-do. The rumor is that Saudi money is the source of the wealth. It's a real sore spot with Libyans.

Mohammed Magarief is a CIA asset not a CIA agent. I'm not sure how much he knew about CIA assessments of threats in Benghazi.

I know that the day after the attack he spent 14 hours straight in meetings with "Americans" and that he was shaken after the meetings.

I know that when the take back Benghazi protestors starting taking on the Islamists (6 Islamists were killed w/i days of Benghazi attack) it was Magarief who asked them to stop and that "Americans" has something to do with the request.

Bilal was one of the leaders of the Take Back Benghazi protests - just mention Mo Magarief to him & prepare for the rant. Some promises were made to the Libyan friends of Chris Stevens after the attack. Those promises weren't kept. That's all I know.

Both Asma & Bilal are on twitter of you are interested. Asma's been keeping a low profile; but Bilal is very vocal. BTW - They both tweet in English & Arabic (so easy to follow)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


So, what you're saying is that money, prestige and who was more "useful" in the long term decided who lived and who died? They were ALL being used. IF this was all a ruse to trade Stevens in a prisoner swap,(not to mention the weapons) don't you think the gov of Libya would have at least had an inkling of it? Like you said, they AREN'T as stupid as some would think.

I respect your opinion Darby but, like the old saying goes: Put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And this one stunk all the way around.

Those men were Americans. We don't set em up as targets and we don't leave them behind. The fact that they were subjected to both just goes to show that true Americans weren't calling the shots.
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I apologize Gerry.

J4J - what article?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


You are right about the money. The Magariefs are quite well-to-do. The rumor is that Saudi money is the source of the wealth. It's a real sore spot with Libyans.

Mohammed Magarief is a CIA asset not a CIA agent. I'm not sure how much he knew about CIA assessments of threats in Benghazi.

I know that the day after the attack he spent 14 hours straight in meetings with "Americans" and that he was shaken after the meetings.

I know that when the take back Benghazi protestors starting taking on the Islamists (6 Islamists were killed w/i days of Benghazi attack) it was Magarief who asked them to stop and that "Americans" has something to do with the request.

Bilal was one of the leaders of the Take Back Benghazi protests - just mention Mo Magarief to him & prepare for the rant. Some promises were made to the Libyan friends of Chris Stevens after the attack. Those promises weren't kept. That's all I know.

Both Asma & Bilal are on twitter of you are interested. Asma's been keeping a low profile; but Bilal is very vocal. BTW - They both tweet in English & Arabic (so easy to follow)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


So, what you're saying is that money, prestige and who was more "useful" in the long term decided who lived and who died? They were ALL being used. IF this was all a ruse to trade Stevens in a prisoner swap,(not to mention the weapons) don't you think the gov of Libya would have at least had an inkling of it? Like you said, they AREN'T as stupid as some would think.

I respect your opinion Darby but, like the old saying goes: Put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And this one stunk all the way around.

Those men were Americans. We don't set em up as targets and we don't leave them behind. The fact that they were subjected to both just goes to show that true Americans weren't calling the shots.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


That's not what I'm saying...

I just brought up the fact that there are thousands of Libyan Americans who have recently returned to Libya. The Magariefs are just one family. An important family (He'll be President until June) but just one family. I simply wanted to raise the issue that a very weak Pro-American gov't had just been installed in Libya and that thousands of Libyan Americans were in-country on 9/11.

That would have affected my decision-making. Not saying Obama did the right thing BUT given the large number of Americans in lIbya that night - I personally wouldn't have bombed the sh*t out of Benghazi.

I presume that there were a number of things he could have done short of taking out a city... But the glass parking lot option was not an option (at least it wouldn't have been option for me)
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The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


You are right about the money. The Magariefs are quite well-to-do. The rumor is that Saudi money is the source of the wealth. It's a real sore spot with Libyans.

Mohammed Magarief is a CIA asset not a CIA agent. I'm not sure how much he knew about CIA assessments of threats in Benghazi.

I know that the day after the attack he spent 14 hours straight in meetings with "Americans" and that he was shaken after the meetings.

I know that when the take back Benghazi protestors starting taking on the Islamists (6 Islamists were killed w/i days of Benghazi attack) it was Magarief who asked them to stop and that "Americans" has something to do with the request.

Bilal was one of the leaders of the Take Back Benghazi protests - just mention Mo Magarief to him & prepare for the rant. Some promises were made to the Libyan friends of Chris Stevens after the attack. Those promises weren't kept. That's all I know.

Both Asma & Bilal are on twitter of you are interested. Asma's been keeping a low profile; but Bilal is very vocal. BTW - They both tweet in English & Arabic (so easy to follow)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


So, what you're saying is that money, prestige and who was more "useful" in the long term decided who lived and who died? They were ALL being used. IF this was all a ruse to trade Stevens in a prisoner swap,(not to mention the weapons) don't you think the gov of Libya would have at least had an inkling of it? Like you said, they AREN'T as stupid as some would think.

I respect your opinion Darby but, like the old saying goes: Put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And this one stunk all the way around.

Those men were Americans. We don't set em up as targets and we don't leave them behind. The fact that they were subjected to both just goes to show that true Americans weren't calling the shots.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


That's not what I'm saying...

I just brought up the fact that there are thousands of Libyan Americans who have recently returned to Libya. The Magariefs are just one family. An important family (He'll be President until June) but just one family. I simply wanted to raise the issue that a very weak Pro-American gov't had just been installed in Libya and that thousands of Libyan Americans were in-country on 9/11.

That would have affected my decision-making. Not saying Obama did the right thing BUT given the large number of Americans in lIbya that night - I personally wouldn't have bombed the sh*t out of Benghazi.

I presume that there were a number of things he could have done short of taking out a city... But the glass parking lot option was not an option (at least it wouldn't have been option for me)
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Libyan American....now there's a real oxy moron.
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Palestinian-Syrian group says forming units to fight for the Golan

The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) said it was preparing for new operations after nearly 40 years of quiet on the Israel-Syria border.

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The one you mentioned:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He's survived numerous assassination attempts already and ordered the commandos in a failed attempt on Gaddafi. And if they were as tied in with the CIA as you said, then they had to be aware of the back room deal going on. They KNEW. They had ample warning (and the resources) to get their families to safety.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


You are right about the money. The Magariefs are quite well-to-do. The rumor is that Saudi money is the source of the wealth. It's a real sore spot with Libyans.

Mohammed Magarief is a CIA asset not a CIA agent. I'm not sure how much he knew about CIA assessments of threats in Benghazi.

I know that the day after the attack he spent 14 hours straight in meetings with "Americans" and that he was shaken after the meetings.

I know that when the take back Benghazi protestors starting taking on the Islamists (6 Islamists were killed w/i days of Benghazi attack) it was Magarief who asked them to stop and that "Americans" has something to do with the request.

Bilal was one of the leaders of the Take Back Benghazi protests - just mention Mo Magarief to him & prepare for the rant. Some promises were made to the Libyan friends of Chris Stevens after the attack. Those promises weren't kept. That's all I know.

Both Asma & Bilal are on twitter of you are interested. Asma's been keeping a low profile; but Bilal is very vocal. BTW - They both tweet in English & Arabic (so easy to follow)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


So, what you're saying is that money, prestige and who was more "useful" in the long term decided who lived and who died? They were ALL being used. IF this was all a ruse to trade Stevens in a prisoner swap,(not to mention the weapons) don't you think the gov of Libya would have at least had an inkling of it? Like you said, they AREN'T as stupid as some would think.

I respect your opinion Darby but, like the old saying goes: Put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And this one stunk all the way around.

Those men were Americans. We don't set em up as targets and we don't leave them behind. The fact that they were subjected to both just goes to show that true Americans weren't calling the shots.
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


That's not what I'm saying...

I just brought up the fact that there are thousands of Libyan Americans who have recently returned to Libya. The Magariefs are just one family. An important family (He'll be President until June) but just one family. I simply wanted to raise the issue that a very weak Pro-American gov't had just been installed in Libya and that thousands of Libyan Americans were in-country on 9/11.

That would have affected my decision-making. Not saying Obama did the right thing BUT given the large number of Americans in lIbya that night - I personally wouldn't have bombed the sh*t out of Benghazi.

I presume that there were a number of things he could have done short of taking out a city... But the glass parking lot option was not an option (at least it wouldn't have been option for me)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Both us and Xi have contracts in the area and we had several off duty guys that were within less than 30 minutes of the event. State knew that and with 2 phone calls could have had probably 100 guys from both our companies on scene. Our average guy has 12 years special ops experience, many with officer grade experience. Fighter aircraft could have been scrambled to disperse the aggressors (ever had a fighter go supersonic over your head, it's downright fuckin' unnerving) until we or military boots could get on scene. If there was a concern for families of certain VIP's it could have been provided in short order. There were better options.
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

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Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

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 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
 Quoting: Gerry52


It's already over...

The GNC was forced to pass the political isolation law at gunpoint. It will force all of the pro-American politicians out of power. The only ones who will be able to hold office are the Islamists. We knew that the only reason the law passed was that Islamists militias had surrounded the parliament building and key ministries.

Today we learned this -

@Bilalhb: Breaking: GNC member of NSF Alaa Megriaf live on radio stated that he and other GNC members voted for isolation law under threat

Each GNC member, as they walked into parliament, was passed a note which said - you vote against this - you die.

It was a coup w/ a vote...

The only question - will the Islamists take over Libya? or will Libya spilt into two or three countries & they'll only take over some of the parts?

That's my Libyan frustration. Presume we had to take out Gaddafi. Presume we couldn't (for some unexplained reason) protect our embassy staff because we had to support the fledgling pro-American gov't. Presume we stood by during the siege of Bani Walid for same reason (100s maybe thousands of Libyans died).

Now we are just letting Islamist thugs take over the country w/o a shot fired??? Doesn't that make all the "we couldn'ts" from the last year seem like BS?

As for current security situation -

Southern Libya is awful. Benghazi & Tobruk are relatively safe.

I know ex-pats who are still in Tripoli. My friend Huntassir is going to Tripoli next week. His family seems to think its safe.

So - it's not Somalia (yet) BUT I don't have much hope for the country anymore... I don't see how democratic forces can recover (unless they break the country apart)

OT - Why is Libyan American an oxymoron? I grew up in the DC area. I knew Czech-Americans, Chilean Americans, Cuban Americans, Iranian Americans, Lebanese Americans, Lithuanian Americans (all Americans)

If you are born in this country - you are American. If you become a naturalized US citizen - you are American. LIbyans who came to the United States in 1969 or in the 1970s had children - now adults - born & raised in America. Educated in America. Many are patriotic & homesick - but they feel they have a duty help the land of their ancestors.

They are Libyan Americans. I think they are admirable (in some cases)
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
 Quoting: Gerry52


Libyans families are clans & they can be really big. So - saying Libyans only trust members of their own family may mean they only trust 5k to 20k people. I don't trust that many people in this country - just saying.

But Gerry is right - the country is completely screwed. So is Egypt. Tunisia may still have hope (then again maybe not)
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OT - Why is Libyan American an oxymoron? I grew up in the DC area. I knew Czech-Americans, Chilean Americans, Cuban Americans, Iranian Americans, Lebanese Americans, Lithuanian Americans (all Americans)

If you are born in this country - you are American. If you become a naturalized US citizen - you are American. LIbyans who came to the United States in 1969 or in the 1970s had children - now adults - born & raised in America. Educated in America. Many are patriotic & homesick - but they feel they have a duty help the land of their ancestors.

They are Libyan Americans. I think they are admirable (in some cases)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


It is an oxy moron. Are they American or are they Libyan? Do their hearts stand with the country of their birth or the country of their ancestors?

That's exactly why we have situations like Libya.

Loyalty has to be 'all in' or it just doesn't work. You'll either be for one and against the other or vice versa. Especially when it involves cultures that couldn't be farther apart if they tried. Try to mix them and it usually ends in the death of one of them.

Don't believe me, just take a look at what happened to Native Americans to see how that worked out.
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Israel prepares for the worst as tensions over Syria grow

(Israeli strikes in Syria) is a risky strategy for Israel - desperate to stop Hezbollah getting advanced weaponry but increasing tensions in an already volatile region.

Nearly seven years ago, during Israel's two month-long summer conflict with Hezbollah, I spent several weeks in northern Israel covering the war.

Whereas the larger cities and conurbations to the south were not directly affected by the fighting, here in the north shells and missiles fell on a daily basis. Nahariya, Acre and Haifa were all targeted by Hezbollah's rockets...

It is obvious as well, that not just the municipality of Haifa but the Israeli government and the higher echelons of the army are getting ready for the possibility if not the probability of another conflict in the north...

It is no secret why there is increased chatter in political, military and civic circles about the prospect another conflict now. Two attacks last week in and around the Syrian capital, Damascus, are widely believed to have been the results of Israeli airstrikes.

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Marines on alert if U.S. personnel evacuate Libya

Washington (CNN) -- Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.

[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Jazzed4Jesus


Things there are at the point where our security people have security people to move them about. In speaking with some of the guys working there they say the tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. No one trusts anyone anymore except within their own families. Still not sure which way this is all going to go. Darby may have a better idea as to when it is all going to break loose.
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Sent you a DM
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How do you know so many foreigners Darby? Are you related somehow? Just wondering your background. It helps to know where someone's point of view comes from. tyia.
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