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WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)

 
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And now for the contrarian view -

Syria's allies warn of retaliation for Israeli airstrikes, but threats are likely hollow

Syria and Iran have threatened retaliation against Israel for a reported strike or pair of strikes in Syrian territory yesterday, but it is widely seen as counter to their interests to follow such bellicose rhetoric with concrete action...

ďI donít think any of the sides are willing to risk a war at this time,Ē says Timur Goksel, a Beirut-based commentator who served with the United Nations peacekeeping force in south Lebanon between 1979 and 2003. ďIf thereís going to be another war, it will more likely be related to an attack on Iran, not on an arms convoy or a facility in Syria.Ē...

Ali Akbar Velayati, the Iranian supreme leaderís top foreign policy adviser, declared over the weekend that ďan attack on Syria is considered an attack on Iran and Iranís allies.Ē ...

But Iranian news organizations have signaled Iran's disinterest in further escalation by highlighting Russia's firm response that such an attack was "unacceptable" but giving little indication of an Iranian reaction...

But for now, the threat of massive destruction on both sides of the border in the event of another war suggests that the calculus that has helped maintain calm since 2006 will continue to hold, analysts say.

[link to www.csmonitor.com]
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And now for the contrarian view -

Syria's allies warn of retaliation for Israeli airstrikes, but threats are likely hollow

Syria and Iran have threatened retaliation against Israel for a reported strike or pair of strikes in Syrian territory yesterday, but it is widely seen as counter to their interests to follow such bellicose rhetoric with concrete action...

ďI donít think any of the sides are willing to risk a war at this time,Ē says Timur Goksel, a Beirut-based commentator who served with the United Nations peacekeeping force in south Lebanon between 1979 and 2003. ďIf thereís going to be another war, it will more likely be related to an attack on Iran, not on an arms convoy or a facility in Syria.Ē...

Ali Akbar Velayati, the Iranian supreme leaderís top foreign policy adviser, declared over the weekend that ďan attack on Syria is considered an attack on Iran and Iranís allies.Ē ...

But Iranian news organizations have signaled Iran's disinterest in further escalation by highlighting Russia's firm response that such an attack was "unacceptable" but giving little indication of an Iranian reaction...

But for now, the threat of massive destruction on both sides of the border in the event of another war suggests that the calculus that has helped maintain calm since 2006 will continue to hold, analysts say.

[link to www.csmonitor.com]
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i think this is actually the mainstream view
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Part of me wants Syria to retaliate...go ahead be that stupid and see what happens,then I think of all the innocent people that will get hurt/killed and that gives me pause, there is no right answer in any of this I'm afraid.
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Mainstream view is that the game is over . . . but I think it has just begun, starting back against Hamas. Then Fordo and now in Syria.

So, there is grave concern over the threats waged by Syria and Iran earlier in the day. Their threats towards Tel Aviv are different than other threats as it was made at the City verses at the Nation of Israel. Wherefore, I find it very concerning as Tel Aviv has become the target of a threat by Syria and Iran who hold wmd's. Now that the biological and chemical facility has been hit by Israel, the retribution may in fact come as ballistic missiles loaded with wmdís.

If in fact Iranís Fordo was destroyed which appears still very likely, Iran will seek revenge.

Iran thus wished to have her allies push the war envelope on Israel by mixing chems in preparation for retaliation and moving any weapons Hezbollah wished to have back to Lebanon. Knowing darned well that Israel was watching and would react.

Their bad actions required action by Israel, which was foreseen by Iran.

Thus, Iran and Syria prepare their next step in the chess game. File complaints with the UN, dot all iís cross all tís. Then, their true plan takes place (attack Israel with wmdís).

That plan is very worrisome to sources in intelligence, this is not going to be the same old game, and Bibi knew that when he hit Hamas last year, he was entering the western worldís 2013 with some very dangerous moves needing to be made. He acted and now waits too. However, Bibi will not stand by to see wmdís loaded on missiles and may act imminently again. The problem, intelligence cannot count each and every missile targeting Israel.



GAME ON
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Neighbors on Israel's Northern Front Increase Alert

The armies of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan have joined Lebanon's Hizbullah terrorists in increasing their preparedness, following air strikes on a biological and chemical weapons facility near Damascus and on a Lebanon-bound weapons convoy, according to a Thursday-morning report by the Lebanese newspaper Ad-Diyar. The newspaper says the Syrian army 's alert was raised in the Golan Heights, where its units were told to divide into smaller units "as Hizbullah has done in southern Lebanon." Syrian and Hizbullah units were deployed on the southern Lebanese hilltops in the Kafr Shuba and Shaba'a Farms, known as Har Dov in Hebrew.

The Lebanese army raised its stage of alert, as did Jordanian troops stationed along the River Jordan,


[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]
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White House Warns Syria: Don't Transfer Weapons to Hizbullah
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]

Nice to see the Whitehouse has not chastized Israel yet. THen again, Israel is doing what the US should be doing, cleaning up the wmd sites.
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Mainstream view is that the game is over . . . but I think it has just begun, starting back against Hamas. Then Fordo and now in Syria.

So, there is grave concern over the threats waged by Syria and Iran earlier in the day. Their threats towards Tel Aviv are different than other threats as it was made at the City verses at the Nation of Israel. Wherefore, I find it very concerning as Tel Aviv has become the target of a threat by Syria and Iran who hold wmd's. Now that the biological and chemical facility has been hit by Israel, the retribution may in fact come as ballistic missiles loaded with wmdís.

If in fact Iranís Fordo was destroyed which appears still very likely, Iran will seek revenge.

Iran thus wished to have her allies push the war envelope on Israel by mixing chems in preparation for retaliation and moving any weapons Hezbollah wished to have back to Lebanon. Knowing darned well that Israel was watching and would react.

Their bad actions required action by Israel, which was foreseen by Iran.

Thus, Iran and Syria prepare their next step in the chess game. File complaints with the UN, dot all iís cross all tís. Then, their true plan takes place (attack Israel with wmdís).

That plan is very worrisome to sources in intelligence, this is not going to be the same old game, and Bibi knew that when he hit Hamas last year, he was entering the western worldís 2013 with some very dangerous moves needing to be made. He acted and now waits too. However, Bibi will not stand by to see wmdís loaded on missiles and may act imminently again. The problem, intelligence cannot count each and every missile targeting Israel.



GAME ON
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AND Syrian TV announces another statement that Syria has the right to retaliate.[/b]
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Mainstream view is that the game is over . . . but I think it has just begun, starting back against Hamas. Then Fordo and now in Syria.

So, there is grave concern over the threats waged by Syria and Iran earlier in the day. Their threats towards Tel Aviv are different than other threats as it was made at the City verses at the Nation of Israel. Wherefore, I find it very concerning as Tel Aviv has become the target of a threat by Syria and Iran who hold wmd's. Now that the biological and chemical facility has been hit by Israel, the retribution may in fact come as ballistic missiles loaded with wmdís.

If in fact Iranís Fordo was destroyed which appears still very likely, Iran will seek revenge.

Iran thus wished to have her allies push the war envelope on Israel by mixing chems in preparation for retaliation and moving any weapons Hezbollah wished to have back to Lebanon. Knowing darned well that Israel was watching and would react.

Their bad actions required action by Israel, which was foreseen by Iran.

Thus, Iran and Syria prepare their next step in the chess game. File complaints with the UN, dot all iís cross all tís. Then, their true plan takes place (attack Israel with wmdís).

That plan is very worrisome to sources in intelligence, this is not going to be the same old game, and Bibi knew that when he hit Hamas last year, he was entering the western worldís 2013 with some very dangerous moves needing to be made. He acted and now waits too. However, Bibi will not stand by to see wmdís loaded on missiles and may act imminently again. The problem, intelligence cannot count each and every missile targeting Israel.



GAME ON
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AND Syrian TV announces another statement that Syria has the right to retaliate.
 Quoting: MIL MAN




Syria: Israel responsible for air raid results


Published: 01.31.13, 19:19 / Israel News




[link to www.ynetnews.com]
"Syria holds Israel and those who are protecting it at the Security Council responsible for the results of the attack and confirms its right to defend its land and sovereignty," state television quoted a letter from the Foreign Ministry to the United Nations as say saying. (Reuters)
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Good analysis of the FOG.

Why Israel might have felt the imperative to strike in Syria
[link to www.timesofisrael.com]
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Israel, watch the sea !
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Israel, watch the sea !
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red or med?
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Doorbert thread now on the front page:

Thread: BREAKING - VIDEO: FSA Shoots Down Iranian Plane, Carrying Weapons, while Landing at Damascus Airport
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA!WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA!WOA! WOA! WOA! WOA!
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Israel, watch the sea !
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red or med?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


There have been many scenarios described of a boat containing a nuclear weapon making into an israeli harbor and going abomb
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Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng
#BreakingNews: White House: Iranian nuclear plant upgrade is 'escalation'



??? More questions than answers - does this mean Nanantz or Bushear?
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Israel, watch the sea !
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red or med?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


There have been many scenarios described of a boat containing a nuclear weapon making into an israeli harbor and going abomb
 Quoting: MIL MAN



Same for the US & UK
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng
#BreakingNews: White House: Iranian nuclear plant upgrade is 'escalation'



??? More questions than answers - does this mean Nanantz or Bushear?
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Defiant Iran plans to speed up nuclear fuel work

[link to www.ynetnews.com]
Tehran tells UN nuclear watchdog it will install, operate advanced centrifuges to Natanz enrichment plant. Nuclear expert: Most unfortunate game changer




Obama is now nearing the end of his patience perhaps. Scenario played out at coffee is that Obama gave Israel permission for the Fordo hit. Then, force Iran to place all of its ducks in Nanantz and then there it would be an easier target to hit from the sky.
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Covoy or Facility or both. I vote both.

F-16s 'Fired 8 Missiles, Bunker-Buster at Syria Chemical Site'
London-based Arab newspaper says Iranian Revolutionary Gu [link to www.israelnationalnews.com]
ards who were guarding the installation were killed.

The site allegedly attacked by Israel in Syria manufactured chemical and biological weapons, according to a report in Iraqi newspaper Azzaman that appears in London.

The newspaper quoted Western diplomats who are close to the regime of Bashar al-Assad. It says that the classified installation, which is located just 12 kilometers (7 miles) from the presidential palace, was guarded by a large contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards, many of whom died in the attack.

A diplomatic source interviewed by the newspaper said that the attack took place 48 hours before it was first reported. He said that initial reports regarding a convoy that was attacked were meant to disguise the true target of the attack. However, the newspaper reported, some trucks were also destroyed in the attack.

The diplomatic source said that Israeli F-16 jets carried out two sorties over the installation, firing at least eight guided missiles at it as well as at least one bunker busting bomb. The installation was badly damaged and there were numerous casualties. He said that about 3,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards were stationed at the installation, as well as several Russian experts.
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Night is soon to fall . . .
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Night is soon to fall . . .
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Night is always falling somewhere. But in, say, Damascus and Jerusalem, it fell a few hours ago.

....

or is that a metaphor

hiding
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Night is soon to fall . . .
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Night is always falling somewhere. But in, say, Damascus and Jerusalem, it fell a few hours ago.

....

or is that a metaphor

hiding
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Tis true, but being distracted, I guess I missed the sunset in the MiddleEast
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So most people are hedging their bets that the current crisis in the MiddleEast will quiet down and the only retaliation from Syria and Iran will be terror attacks at best. Israeli government is somewhat hopeful too as Irondomes are the only evidence of consideration of attacks from Syria or Hezbollah.

Myself, I do not anticipate Syria can let this go. Assad has forewarned he would light up the MiddleEast and he appears willing to keep his word.
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So most people are hedging their bets that the current crisis in the MiddleEast will quiet down and the only retaliation from Syria and Iran will be terror attacks at best. Israeli government is somewhat hopeful too as Irondomes are the only evidence of consideration of attacks from Syria or Hezbollah.

Myself, I do not anticipate Syria can let this go. Assad has forewarned he would light up the MiddleEast and he appears willing to keep his word.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


MM, that's why I asked about Assad's wife yesterday. Think about it. She's out of the country, so for now, his family line continues. That frees him up to do whatever he thinks need to be done. There's a good reason why we never go TDY with you all and some duty stations are unaccompanied.
They also serve who stand and wait. John Milton
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nothing will happen.. i saw a interview with a israeli general today and he said that assad will try score political points by saying to the rebels that israel is the enemy not him,iran gonna talk alot but they cant hit israel directly and hezbolla is to afraid of another war like in 2006 where southern lebanon was totally destroyed.
so nothing will happen and we will all forget about it in a day or two...
DOOM OFF until the 3d lebanon war aka the last lebanon war becuase there is going to be no one left to fight there..
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nothing will happen.. i saw a interview with a israeli general today and he said that assad will try score political points by saying to the rebels that israel is the enemy not him,iran gonna talk alot but they cant hit israel directly and hezbolla is to afraid of another war like in 2006 where southern lebanon was totally destroyed.
so nothing will happen and we will all forget about it in a day or two...
DOOM OFF until the 3d lebanon war aka the last lebanon war becuase there is going to be no one left to fight there..
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Assad has still hopes to win the war against the rebels / terrorists.
A 2 hours bombing run could prove him wrong.
Assad has no air defense, and his rusty army cannot hold back some arab rebels. And yes, he has no credible air defense.
Assad and his mighty syrian army, armed all those years by Russia has no clothes anymore. He is naked.
He knows all that.

Hisbollah does not have an interest in getting in a fight against Israel. Why should they sacrifice their position in Lebanon ? Why now ? They can't be sure of staying alife in another round of fighting. And that, they know for sure.

Iran is getting under pressure. They might do something stupid. Thats why I said, watch the sea. They mentioned Tel Aviv. Iran plays assymetric warfare. They might have some surprises off the shore. Sure they have no surprises anymore at the other fronts.
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And since we men are well known for being multi-tasking champions, I read this article lately:

[link to thediplomat.com]

I am watching China since some time, over the years China changed.

It is not the people, it is the way the chinese leadership is being handled and how powerplays are turning out in the flow of time.

There is a significant change since maybe some month.

Before we had a solid block of a communist party, a solid power block, more or less disguising as a market oriented "democratic" "diplomatic" and "open" bunch of "wealthy people" trying to catch up. Sympatic.

Since some month the chinese military is playing a bigger role in China, hardliners and their ideas are getting more and more into power positions. Things are shifting over there.

I don't know what their knowlegde of this earth is, and how they believe things are, but those people remind me since some time of the good old japanese military establishment running Japan prior and during WW2.

Syria, Iran are more or less predictable. China is shifting, they are big, and they are getting in a state where they are no longer predictable.
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Explosion Rocks Pemex HQ building in Mexico City (formerly tallest building in Mexico) - injuries reported.

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Explosions Rocks Pemex HQ building in Mexico City (formerly tallest building in Mexico) - injuries reported.

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really!
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Explosions Rocks Pemex HQ building in Mexico City (formerly tallest building in Mexico) - injuries reported.

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 Quoting: DarbyDoom


really!
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CNN Breaking - Five dead, at least 30 trapped in Pemex blast
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