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WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)

 
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LOL! Problem with the air force?
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Enough war - How about pestilence?

Typhoid breaks out in refugee camps in Northern Syria

[link to aje.me]

And that stuff can spread...

My aunt was career public health nurse. She ruined many a holiday with her theories on how developed world would be overrun w/'3rd world diseases.

Gerry - if you are talking about Algeria/Mali/Niger - they're all shady & they all hate you (though some are rather friendly to me for some reason) - Just sayin...

Update - the Typhoid Outbreak is on Haunted Ground - On the Banks of the Euphrates River in Deir ez-Zor is site where tens of thousands of surviving men, women, and children from the Deir ez-Zor camps were executed during the Armenian genocide.
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Yup...I've been working one of those countries. We have to bring in all of our own people. They have made it clear that they don't like us, our clients or our mission in their sectors. They are constantly probing our security looking for a soft underbelly. Most business targets can only be hardened to a point, then the security begins to affect their ability to perform their necessary activities to further their business interests. If the political climate doesn't change here in the next 6 months or so I see most Western corporations shutting down operations and pulling out. French special ops folks have been kicking ass, but they do not have the manpower to leave behind once they have retaken a town. They are having to leave it to the African troops who have varying levels of discipline. French and African forces have focused on retaking population centers, such as Gao, Kidal and Timbuktu, leaving several roads and large swaths of desert unsecure. The intensity and success of such attacks will vary, but the capabilities of the militants could improve over time, and effective networks designed to support insurgent attacks could develop. Bottom line...it's not looking good here...
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IMO - if client's assets are in the North, it's not going to get better. When Mali actually had a government, it really didn't control the North and that was when Gaddafi provided a safety valve.

Northern Mali has been in a constant state of low-grade warfare since 1960s - right now that war is simply at a higher temperature. Even if you gave Tuaregs' their own state (Azawad) - the various tribes/castes would still fight.

Add drug smuggling & heavy armaments to the mix... Good luck
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Actually we have a large national client that contracts with us to provide intelligence to "Park Rangers" who patrol the areas between Gao Mali and Sokoto Nigeria. I can't even count the number of groups that transition that area and the variety of their politics. There are constant skirmishes, attacks and general raping and plundering on a daily basis. It's gotten to the point that you can't tell the players without a program. We're trying to put the program together.
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Enough war - How about pestilence?

Typhoid breaks out in refugee camps in Northern Syria

[link to aje.me]

And that stuff can spread...

My aunt was career public health nurse. She ruined many a holiday with her theories on how developed world would be overrun w/'3rd world diseases.

Gerry - if you are talking about Algeria/Mali/Niger - they're all shady & they all hate you (though some are rather friendly to me for some reason) - Just sayin...

Update - the Typhoid Outbreak is on Haunted Ground - On the Banks of the Euphrates River in Deir ez-Zor is site where tens of thousands of surviving men, women, and children from the Deir ez-Zor camps were executed during the Armenian genocide.
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Yup...I've been working one of those countries. We have to bring in all of our own people. They have made it clear that they don't like us, our clients or our mission in their sectors. They are constantly probing our security looking for a soft underbelly. Most business targets can only be hardened to a point, then the security begins to affect their ability to perform their necessary activities to further their business interests. If the political climate doesn't change here in the next 6 months or so I see most Western corporations shutting down operations and pulling out. French special ops folks have been kicking ass, but they do not have the manpower to leave behind once they have retaken a town. They are having to leave it to the African troops who have varying levels of discipline. French and African forces have focused on retaking population centers, such as Gao, Kidal and Timbuktu, leaving several roads and large swaths of desert unsecure. The intensity and success of such attacks will vary, but the capabilities of the militants could improve over time, and effective networks designed to support insurgent attacks could develop. Bottom line...it's not looking good here...
 Quoting: Gerry52


IMO - if client's assets are in the North, it's not going to get better. When Mali actually had a government, it really didn't control the North and that was when Gaddafi provided a safety valve.

Northern Mali has been in a constant state of low-grade warfare since 1960s - right now that war is simply at a higher temperature. Even if you gave Tuaregs' their own state (Azawad) - the various tribes/castes would still fight.

Add drug smuggling & heavy armaments to the mix... Good luck
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Actually we have a large national client that contracts with us to provide intelligence to "Park Rangers" who patrol the areas between Gao Mali and Sokoto Nigeria. I can't even count the number of groups that transition that area and the variety of their politics. There are constant skirmishes, attacks and general raping and plundering on a daily basis. It's gotten to the point that you can't tell the players without a program. We're trying to put the program together.
 Quoting: Gerry52


Don't forget Ansaru - those Nigerian baddies have been busy lately...

Anita Hunt did a Who's Who in Timbuktu that lists the principal players in Northern Mali - you need to read the Updates at bottom to get everything.

Here's Link - [link to lissnup.wordpress.com]

Yes - she's just a crazy lady in UK - but she knows half of Mauritania & half of Mauritania has a cousin in Mali...
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Yup...I've been working one of those countries. We have to bring in all of our own people. They have made it clear that they don't like us, our clients or our mission in their sectors. They are constantly probing our security looking for a soft underbelly. Most business targets can only be hardened to a point, then the security begins to affect their ability to perform their necessary activities to further their business interests. If the political climate doesn't change here in the next 6 months or so I see most Western corporations shutting down operations and pulling out. French special ops folks have been kicking ass, but they do not have the manpower to leave behind once they have retaken a town. They are having to leave it to the African troops who have varying levels of discipline. French and African forces have focused on retaking population centers, such as Gao, Kidal and Timbuktu, leaving several roads and large swaths of desert unsecure. The intensity and success of such attacks will vary, but the capabilities of the militants could improve over time, and effective networks designed to support insurgent attacks could develop. Bottom line...it's not looking good here...
 Quoting: Gerry52


IMO - if client's assets are in the North, it's not going to get better. When Mali actually had a government, it really didn't control the North and that was when Gaddafi provided a safety valve.

Northern Mali has been in a constant state of low-grade warfare since 1960s - right now that war is simply at a higher temperature. Even if you gave Tuaregs' their own state (Azawad) - the various tribes/castes would still fight.

Add drug smuggling & heavy armaments to the mix... Good luck
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Actually we have a large national client that contracts with us to provide intelligence to "Park Rangers" who patrol the areas between Gao Mali and Sokoto Nigeria. I can't even count the number of groups that transition that area and the variety of their politics. There are constant skirmishes, attacks and general raping and plundering on a daily basis. It's gotten to the point that you can't tell the players without a program. We're trying to put the program together.
 Quoting: Gerry52


Don't forget Ansaru - those Nigerian baddies have been busy lately...

Anita Hunt did a Who's Who in Timbuktu that lists the principal players in Northern Mali - you need to read the Updates at bottom to get everything.

Here's Link - [link to lissnup.wordpress.com]

Yes - she's just a crazy lady in UK - but she knows half of Mauritania & half of Mauritania has a cousin in Mali...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Darby,
Thanks for the link...I'll have a look at it.
Our most dangerous and unpredictable cross border baddies of the day is Ansaru. We prevent kidnapping...they kidnap (especially French nationals)...see the nexus? Boko Haram are of specific interest in Nigeria although they seem to primarily attack churches, police stations, government buildings, although they do go after foreign national corporations that support their primary targets. We view things a little differently here, our scope is narrower than an interested observer. It sounds crass and uncaring, but I really couldn't care less if our intel tells us some group is going to attack some "poor innocent" village within our area of operations. Sure, I may pick up the phone and drop a dime in exchange for beefing up the favor bank and that is only if there is no chance of compromising a source. However, if we have a client in the area that could be compromised I will open the gates of hell to get his butt out right now. It's the groups that target foreign nationals and foreign held properties and corporations that we concern ourselves with.

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Breedlove, sounds British.
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Dang...a little attitude. LOL
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Breedlove, sounds British.
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no more than Franklin, Washington or Lincoln
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Breedlove, sounds British.
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no more than Franklin, Washington or Lincoln
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I'm sorry, Dr. Swin, I meant Strangelove's familiar.


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Breedlove, sounds British.
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no more than Franklin, Washington or Lincoln
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I'm sorry, Dr. Swin, I meant Strangelove's familiar.


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Hello all,
I saw this and wanted to know what you(everyone) thinks?


Pro-Obama think tank downplays regional threat of a nuclear Iran
[link to www.worldtribune.com]
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Hello all,
I saw this and wanted to know what you(everyone) thinks?


Pro-Obama think tank downplays regional threat of a nuclear Iran
[link to www.worldtribune.com]
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probably the same think tank that downplayed the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor too.....
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Hello all,
I saw this and wanted to know what you(everyone) thinks?


Pro-Obama think tank downplays regional threat of a nuclear Iran
[link to www.worldtribune.com]
 Quoting: LOU512


probably the same think tank that downplayed the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor too.....
 Quoting: godzilla85


Or like Connie Rice who didn't think anything was really that unsual.
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No need to import yellow cake from Africa - Iran announces that it has discovered new domestic uranium deposits

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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No need to import yellow cake from Africa - Iran announces that it has discovered new domestic uranium deposits

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everytime I hear yellow cake I swear I see twinkies tounge
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This is a nice analysis about the economic situation in China:

[link to www.zerohedge.com]

In a nutshell:
The official numbers they are telling us do not add up. I read that before on other sites, exports and harbour activities diverge, exports to crisis europe, and so on ... their numbers seem do not add up.

There is a shadow banking system in China that makes up of 44% of GDP (source Credit Suisse).

I want to quote the following from this article:

"Now, the same economists who proclaim a Chinese economic recovery will also suggest that a hard landing isn't possible because China has the money to throw at any problems. They'll point to considerable savings, at 53% of GDP, and US$3.3 trillion in foreign exchange reserves.

There are several large holes in this argument. China's foreign exchange reserves cannot be swiftly used to help prevent an economic crisis.

The majority of these reserves are tied up in U.S. government bonds. If China decided to sell just 10% of these bonds to throw at its own economy, it would have severe consequences. U.S. interest rates would spike, the U.S. economy would tank, closely followed by economies around the world.
China's export-reliant economy would also be impacted. In other words, the forex reserves argument is largely an illusion."

I would like to add the following:
1) China is making progress and nobody doubts its potential. But there might be ups and downs.

2) China's data we have, are not correct.

3) China is having other problems, not accounted for. Like environmetal problems leading to cancer villages:
Reuters .... /article/2009/09/17/us-china-pollution-cancer-idUSTRE58G00T20​090917

4) There could be a mixture of politics and social problems culminating in the short term, that could risk Chinas inner unity and could potentially destabilize the party, or break up the unity of this party.
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Knowing that the communist party system in China is not a monolitic bloc, like in NK or in the former UDSSR.

The regions are loosly coupled to the center, giving the overall system elasticity and in case of problems, the center is not directly affected.

The glue holding all that together is the party, its ideas, national sentiments, the military and police, and social / cultural / educational indoctrinations.

The latter ones, are eroding, due to the internet and foreign companies implementing in China and people being able to travel.
A friend of mine is in China, working there as an ingenieur. They have a nice big appartment, women coming in to clean up and cook.
He says, that they are constantly being monitored and spied on, if they travel, people are going into the appartment and going out. They are monitored and watched.

The chinese communist party are occupied with the above latter point: that the glue is starting to crack.
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I am hesitating to give a Mali update. This war is going to be long term and under the radar .... .

There are zones stretching from mali, nigeria, tschad and liby up until egypt, that are shadow zones, zones used by local criminals, hisbollah and iran arms trafficing, local muslim fanatics. It is a mixture of religious fanatism, local gangsters trying to make money and local groups in war with their respective government.

In a single phrase: a place where you never would want to put a foot.

But there are interests, one is that France is aligned historically with certain governments, others are more economically related, oil, gas, uranium, other arguments are, that things going on there have direct impact to what is showing up in the sinai.

Looks like north of Mali, in the south of Algeria there is a big stretch of mountains. There is water, caves, a heavenly place for people who need to hide.

French forces have entered this area. Since then Gao is under attack by suicide squats.
I can tell you, that there will not be any prisoners. No prisoners.

The US forces have a drone base in neighbour nigeria, which is in big extension.

This is not a battle, where you go in, win, and go out. This is going to be a long term shoot to kill mission.
The french foreign legion is there, not the regular army.
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No need to import yellow cake from Africa - Iran announces that it has discovered new domestic uranium deposits

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


everytime I hear yellow cake I swear I see twinkies tounge
 Quoting: godzilla85


I think of birthday cake with sugary icing flowers - somehow I think uranium doesn't taste the same.

Haaretz reports Kerry plans to push for a peace agreement between Israel & PA before the end of Obama's second term.

Here are a couple excerpts from article -

...In internal discussions, American officials have also described the resumption of a diplomatic process with Palestinian leaders Mahmoud Abbas and Salam Fayyad as a "stopgap emergency measure" aimed at avoiding renewed violence, the collapse of the Palestinian Authority and a Hamas takeover of the West Bank. Preventing all three of those developments are viewed as critical not only for Israel but for the stability of Jordan and the international stature of the United States.

.,.With the expected Senate confirmation this week of former Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel's appointment as Secretary of Defense, the so-called "Quartet of Senators" - which includes Obama, Hagel, Kerry and Vice President Biden - will be established to navigate U.S. policy toward the Middle East. The four share the view that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to the future of the Middle East, but Kerry, it seems, is more convinced than the others that something can be done about it as well

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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everytime I hear yellow cake I swear I see twinkies tounge
 Quoting: godzilla85


I think of birthday cake with sugary icing flowers - somehow I think uranium doesn't taste the same.

Haaretz reports Kerry plans to push for a peace agreement between Israel & PA before the end of Obama's second term.

Here are a couple excerpts from article -

...In internal discussions, American officials have also described the resumption of a diplomatic process with Palestinian leaders Mahmoud Abbas and Salam Fayyad as a "stopgap emergency measure" aimed at avoiding renewed violence, the collapse of the Palestinian Authority and a Hamas takeover of the West Bank. Preventing all three of those developments are viewed as critical not only for Israel but for the stability of Jordan and the international stature of the United States.

.,.With the expected Senate confirmation this week of former Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel's appointment as Secretary of Defense, the so-called "Quartet of Senators" - which includes Obama, Hagel, Kerry and Vice President Biden - will be established to navigate U.S. policy toward the Middle East. The four share the view that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to the future of the Middle East, but Kerry, it seems, is more convinced than the others that something can be done about it as well

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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it's laughable, people ten times smarter than he is have tried and failed...but it'll be nice a nice change...he can't get swift boated there
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House Intel Chair Mike Rogers Calls Chinese Cyber Attacks 'Unprecedented'

House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said it was "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the Chinese government and military is behind growing cyber attacks against the United States, saying "we are losing" the war to prevent the attacks.

"They use their military and intelligence structure to steal intellectual property from American businesses, and European businesses, and Asian businesses, re-purpose it and then compete in the international market against the United States," Rogers said this morning on "This Week."

"It is unprecedented," Rogers added. "This has never happened in the history of the world, where one nation steals the intellectual property to re-purpose it - to illegally compete against the country…and I'll tell you, It is as bad as I've ever seen it and exponentially getting worse. Why? There's no consequence for it."

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House Intel Chair Mike Rogers Calls Chinese Cyber Attacks 'Unprecedented'

House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said it was "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the Chinese government and military is behind growing cyber attacks against the United States, saying "we are losing" the war to prevent the attacks.

"They use their military and intelligence structure to steal intellectual property from American businesses, and European businesses, and Asian businesses, re-purpose it and then compete in the international market against the United States," Rogers said this morning on "This Week."

"It is unprecedented," Rogers added. "This has never happened in the history of the world, where one nation steals the intellectual property to re-purpose it - to illegally compete against the country…and I'll tell you, It is as bad as I've ever seen it and exponentially getting worse. Why? There's no consequence for it."

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Thanks Darby.

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Thanks Darby.

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We have a problem, if we want it, or not, and I think we need to include it in our discussions.
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Sorry Aton, new topic

There seems to be real concern that the Palestinian Authority may fall apart or that Israel may be looking at a 3rd Intifada. It started as a hunger strike. Then a prisoner died.

Here's the most recent Washington Post article -

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House Intel Chair Mike Rogers Calls Chinese Cyber Attacks 'Unprecedented'

House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said it was "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the Chinese government and military is behind growing cyber attacks against the United States, saying "we are losing" the war to prevent the attacks.

"They use their military and intelligence structure to steal intellectual property from American businesses, and European businesses, and Asian businesses, re-purpose it and then compete in the international market against the United States," Rogers said this morning on "This Week."

"It is unprecedented," Rogers added. "This has never happened in the history of the world, where one nation steals the intellectual property to re-purpose it - to illegally compete against the country…and I'll tell you, It is as bad as I've ever seen it and exponentially getting worse. Why? There's no consequence for it."

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 Quoting: DarbyDoom


A few years back our company looked into providing cyber security to our clients. After roughly six months of research, interviews and meetings with government and private cyber security agencies we came to the conclusion that based upon the current attitudes and lack of money being thrown at the problem that we would lose the battle and we don't ever lose...Our job is to bridge,"It can never happen to us" with, "Were all going to die!" So, we have to chose our battles carefully. Unlike the government we must operate at a profit, so this is one of the times that I see a need for government to step in and throw huge amounts of cash and brain child treasure at the problem. We will never make the Chinese stop stealing our secrets, so, the only other choice is to protect them better. A friend that contracts with us on computer related tasks who has more PhD's than I can count has written a propriety based operating system utilizing rolling code, thus changing the operating systems codes hundreds of times per minute. He is at some time in the future going to market it to the govt to distribute it to companies involved in secret products marketed to our government. However, at this point he knows things aren't bad enough for anyone to buy his product, so he sits on it. The Chinese aren't the only folks stealing secrets and valuable information off our hard drives, the numbers are well into the thousands of hackers that are doing it for fun and profit or political reasons. No matter what our government says, they are still not treating the problem with the dedication required to bring it under control or at least make it somewhat manageable. A dirty little secret we in the industry know, is that we know, they know the computer triggers required to shut down huge swaths of our infrastructure. Why haven't they? I have no clue, maybe because by leaving everything alone they know they can continue to pick our cyber brains and there is nothing we can do about it...why kill the golden goose.
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Walking the dogs tonight, I have come to sense the doom hanging high in the air this year. Much going on. Only one of the following is not true, you decide which it is.

Kerry will not achieve peace this year between the PA and Israel.

I will exit the military sometime this year.

I watched an Osama bin laden documentary last night and they said that Obama made the tough decision to hit the unknown hideout of some big Al Quaeda guy who was tall and stood alone, and thus he, Bibi believes, obama, will make the tough decision and hit Iran before Israel must act.

Iran has truly decided to finalize a nuclear bomb this year.

It is a full moon.

There will be no new matters or so called wars in the Middleeast this year.
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Re: WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)
Walking the dogs tonight, I have come to sense the doom hanging high in the air this year. Much going on. Only one of the following is not true, you decide which it is.

Kerry will not achieve peace this year between the PA and Israel.

I will exit the military sometime this year.

I watched an Osama bin laden documentary last night and they said that Obama made the tough decision to hit the unknown hideout of some big Al Quaeda guy who was tall and stood alone, and thus he, Bibi believes, obama, will make the tough decision and hit Iran before Israel must act.

Iran has truly decided to finalize a nuclear bomb this year.

It is a full moon.

There will be no new matters or so called wars in the Middleeast this year.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


I just find the whole prospect of John Kerry actually achieving middle east peace when so many others have tried and failed miserably laughable. If he had John Edwards with him he might have a shot...albeit a better shot of having Edwards get himself a few new mistresses more than anything
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Walking the dogs tonight, I have come to sense the doom hanging high in the air this year. Much going on. Only one of the following is not true, you decide which it is.

Kerry will not achieve peace this year between the PA and Israel.

I will exit the military sometime this year.

I watched an Osama bin laden documentary last night and they said that Obama made the tough decision to hit the unknown hideout of some big Al Quaeda guy who was tall and stood alone, and thus he, Bibi believes, obama, will make the tough decision and hit Iran before Israel must act.

Iran has truly decided to finalize a nuclear bomb this year.

It is a full moon.

There will be no new matters or so called wars in the Middleeast this year.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Nothing is going to happen until after Obama's visit to the ME. Then the shit hits the fan shortly after. Enjoy the next month of peace it may be our last.
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Re: WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)
Walking the dogs tonight, I have come to sense the doom hanging high in the air this year. Much going on. Only one of the following is not true, you decide which it is.

Kerry will not achieve peace this year between the PA and Israel.

I will exit the military sometime this year.

I watched an Osama bin laden documentary last night and they said that Obama made the tough decision to hit the unknown hideout of some big Al Quaeda guy who was tall and stood alone, and thus he, Bibi believes, obama, will make the tough decision and hit Iran before Israel must act.

Iran has truly decided to finalize a nuclear bomb this year.

It is a full moon.

There will be no new matters or so called wars in the Middleeast this year.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Nothing is going to happen until after Obama's visit to the ME. Then the shit hits the fan shortly after. Enjoy the next month of peace it may be our last.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19555551


Some say we may have to wait for the Iranian election too as the puppet masters there do not want war until after the election, but there is a strong argument that counters that for which Ahmadinejanut wishes to be the one to usher in Mahdi, so he wishes to push the envelope NOW!
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Re: WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away)
Walking the dogs tonight, I have come to sense the doom hanging high in the air this year. Much going on. Only one of the following is not true, you decide which it is.

Kerry will not achieve peace this year between the PA and Israel.

I will exit the military sometime this year.

I watched an Osama bin laden documentary last night and they said that Obama made the tough decision to hit the unknown hideout of some big Al Quaeda guy who was tall and stood alone, and thus he, Bibi believes, obama, will make the tough decision and hit Iran before Israel must act.

Iran has truly decided to finalize a nuclear bomb this year.

It is a full moon.

There will be no new matters or so called wars in the Middleeast this year.
 Quoting: MIL MAN


Nothing is going to happen until after Obama's visit to the ME. Then the shit hits the fan shortly after. Enjoy the next month of peace it may be our last.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19555551


Some say we may have to wait for the Iranian election too as the puppet masters there do not want war until after the election, but there is a strong argument that counters that for which Ahmadinejanut wishes to be the one to usher in Mahdi, so he wishes to push the envelope NOW!
 Quoting: MIL MAN


MM, Gerry or anyone well versed with Iranian politics (for lack of a better word for what the Mullahs do there I suppose) Is there a possibility of a coup led by Ahmawhackjob and people in the IRGC that are loyal and share his views or do the Mullahs maintain the upper hand there? To me a coup and him taking over as dictator or whatever they wanna call it would be to me at least the last straw and the Israelis at the very least would have no choice but to hit em at that point.

Intelligent thoughts would be great on this...just spitballing here

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