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WORLD at WAR, OFFICIAL 2013 THREAD (Doom always only a moment away) | |
Steve5728  User ID: 34567844  United States03/29/2013 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | North Korea: What happens if Kim Jong-un acts on his threats? Quoting: MIL MAN In the event that the 'bellicose rhetoric' of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un turns into something more serious, the opening hours of conflict could be 'pretty ugly,' defense analysts warn. [link to news.yahoo.com]  For sure!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35795988 United States03/29/2013 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | North Korea: What happens if Kim Jong-un acts on his threats? Quoting: MIL MAN In the event that the 'bellicose rhetoric' of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un turns into something more serious, the opening hours of conflict could be 'pretty ugly,' defense analysts warn. [link to news.yahoo.com] One of the scenarios that most concerns US defense analysts, for example, involves North Korea’s estimated 500,000 to 700,000 rounds of artillery aimed at Seoul, says retired Brig. Gen. Russell Howard, former commander of the 1st Special Forces Group, which has an Asia focus. Should Kim decide to begin firing them, he says, “in the first few hours of the conflict, it would be pretty ugly.” At the same time, North Korea could begin “swarming” its sizable contingent of 600,000 Special Operations commandos, adds Mr. Howard, now the director of the Terrorism, Research, and Education Program at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. The “sole purpose” of this group, he adds “is to infiltrate the South and create havoc.” The realistic goal of the North Korean military would likely be to get some 150,000 of them over the border, where they would “go for infrastructure,” such as communications and transportation systems. |
| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evil is floating around us!!! Easter Sunday is close!!! Last Edited by Steve5728 on 03/29/2013 08:30 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11934995  Canada03/29/2013 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can see him trying every option to get North Korea to back down. Last minute peace overtures are burning the midnight oil at the whitehouse right now! Rice, rice. That's it lets send them some rice!!! Last Edited by Steve5728 on 03/29/2013 08:28 PM |
| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The MidEast flank is wide open still. Just saying. Roger that!!! Last Edited by Steve5728 on 03/29/2013 08:28 PM |
| Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States03/29/2013 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh really? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1558482 [link to english.chosun.com] When the North sank the Navy corvette Cheonan in March 2010, then-commander of the U.S. Forces Korea Walter Sharp expressed concerns that South Koreans working in Kaesong could be held hostage in case the conflict escalated. He told a high-ranking South Korean government official that he had trouble sleeping because of the Kaesong issue, and that withdrawing South Koreans from Kaesong should be considered. South Korean and U.S. forces carried out joint simulated training to rescue people from Kaesong during an annual military exercise in August 2010. Yeah I'm sure they train for that scenario for nothing... RETARD. ...so, you are telling me that the SK Army and the US military don't have a contingency plan to evacuate their folks? You are myopic, you obviously have no expertise in this area, but only regurgitate something you googled. I'm not here to argue with you...so go fuck yourself I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35795988 United States03/29/2013 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not that he is but he is laying the foundation,  I can see him trying every option to get North Korea to back down. Last minute peace overtures are burning the midnight oil at the whitehouse right now! Rice, rice. That's it lets send them some rice!!! Lets give them some of our nukes too, we have too many. |
| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, and while we are at it, why not just remove all our assets in the region! Yeah, that should do it!!! Is that cool with you Kimmy???  Last Edited by Steve5728 on 03/29/2013 06:55 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11934995 Canada03/29/2013 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| godzilla85 User ID: 32025446 United States03/29/2013 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 2m #DPRK radio: US "should be clear that in era of Marshal Kim Jong Un, the greatest-ever commander, all things are different from the past." this tells me one thing...take the old playbook...and scrap it...new game new set of rules and variables are now upon us |
| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just don't get the Antichrist thing coming from a Jew. It's a general statement. Swin. Don't read to much into it. It's not a Catholic or a Jewish thing. It's just a statement. Last Edited by Steve5728 on 03/29/2013 08:32 PM |
| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 2m #DPRK radio: US "should be clear that in era of Marshal Kim Jong Un, the greatest-ever commander, all things are different from the past." Quoting: godzilla85 this tells me one thing...take the old playbook...and scrap it...new game new set of rules and variables are now upon us Yeah, absolutely. Like a "hot" war coming. |
| ReVbo™ User ID: 37082303 United States03/29/2013 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Steve Herman ‏@W7VOA 2m #DPRK radio: US "should be clear that in era of Marshal Kim Jong Un, the greatest-ever commander, all things are different from the past." Quoting: godzilla85 this tells me one thing...take the old playbook...and scrap it...new game new set of rules and variables are now upon us  What? Did he win a few games of Risk in college? I'm sure nobody ever let him win, right? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
| Newshunter User ID: 22608763 United States03/29/2013 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real hotspot today, right now where people are dying by the dozens every day is NW Africa. There is no where on this globe that more people are being killed, tortured and kidnapped every single day. Quoting: Gerry52 I guess it's all a matter of perspective. NW Africa is a real mess, a real humanitarian crisis no doubt. But in terms of potential catastrophic global impact - NW Africa pales in comparison to what is going on over on the Korean peninsula. While I believe the chances for a full blown conventional or unconventional war in the Korean peninsula region are relatively slim, if things go "hot" the humanitarian crisis will quickly surpass anything going on in NW Africa. The artillery shelling along the DMZ alone will cause hundreds of thousands of casualities. And the financial impacts - yowzer. South Korea is the 15th largest economy in the world. Seoul (about an hours drive from the DMZ and in range of long range fixed NK arty) is the world's 11th largest metropolitan area. US and China would likely mobilize which would create further instability in the markets. Again, NW Africa is a real bad place to be. But IMO it has just about reached its zenith in terms of how bad things are going to get. As far as Korea goes - we are talking potential destructive impact unlike we have seen since WWII. Last Edited by Newshunter on 03/29/2013 07:55 PM |
| Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States03/29/2013 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real hotspot today, right now where people are dying by the dozens every day is NW Africa. There is no where on this globe that more people are being killed, tortured and kidnapped every single day. Quoting: Gerry52 I guess it's all a matter of perspective. NW Africa is a real mess, a real humanitarian crisis no doubt. But in terms of potential catastrophic global impact - NW Africa pales in comparison to what is going on over on the Korean peninsula. While I believe the chances for a full blown conventional or unconventional war in the Korean peninsula region are relatively slim, if things go "hot" the humanitarian crisis will quickly surpass anything going on in NW Africa. The artillery shelling along the DMZ alone will cause hundreds of thousands of casualities. And the financial impacts - yowzer. South Korea is the 15th largest economy in the world. Seoul (about an hours drive from the DMZ and in range of long range fixed NK arty) is the world's 11th largest metropolitan area. US and China would likely mobilize which would create further instability in the markets. Again, NW Africa is a real bad place to be. But IMO it has just about reached its zenith in terms of how bad things are going to get. As far as Korea goes - we are talking potential destructive impact unlike we have seen since WWII. Agreed...so what else do we need to do to piss off the little masterbator to cause him to strike out. I guarantee our B2's wagging their tails at him yesterday really got his undies in a snit. Maybe a good nipple twist?...  Last Edited by Gerry52 on 03/29/2013 08:33 PM I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
| novamom User ID: 36691611 United States03/29/2013 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | looks like Russia is siding with NK by blaming US of provoking them. they do say for both parties to cool down though [link to unitymedianews.com] Last Edited by novamom on 03/29/2013 08:38 PM |
| Newshunter User ID: 22608763 United States03/29/2013 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real hotspot today, right now where people are dying by the dozens every day is NW Africa. There is no where on this globe that more people are being killed, tortured and kidnapped every single day. Quoting: Gerry52 I guess it's all a matter of perspective. NW Africa is a real mess, a real humanitarian crisis no doubt. But in terms of potential catastrophic global impact - NW Africa pales in comparison to what is going on over on the Korean peninsula. While I believe the chances for a full blown conventional or unconventional war in the Korean peninsula region are relatively slim, if things go "hot" the humanitarian crisis will quickly surpass anything going on in NW Africa. The artillery shelling along the DMZ alone will cause hundreds of thousands of casualities. And the financial impacts - yowzer. South Korea is the 15th largest economy in the world. Seoul (about an hours drive from the DMZ and in range of long range fixed NK arty) is the world's 11th largest metropolitan area. US and China would likely mobilize which would create further instability in the markets. Again, NW Africa is a real bad place to be. But IMO it has just about reached its zenith in terms of how bad things are going to get. As far as Korea goes - we are talking potential destructive impact unlike we have seen since WWII. Agreed...so what else do we need to do to piss off the little masterbator to cause him to strike out. I guarantee our B2's wagging their tails at him yesterday really got his undies in a snit. Maybe a good nipple twist?... I'm sure the Pentagon could figure something out . . . the cupboard is far from bare. I sure hope everyone can take a step back from the ledge. Escalation control looks like it is going to be a real problem if we get another NK provocation in the wake of the Cheonan and Yeongpang Island attacks. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7879907 United States03/29/2013 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MIL MAN Steve is just bouncing cyber waves from Canada . . . He is closer than you think, watch out! China and Russia know that any American Operation in North Korea would absolutely cause a stand down in posture towards Syria and Iran as Obama would absolutely not get involved in multiple major operations as that. As you stated previously, China gives any North Korean action the green or red light. It's why I believe they are going to allow this to take place. North Korea may fall, but that was only an eventuality anyway. What's important to them is that Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and various other militant Islamic factions sympathetic to their cause will stay in power and allow both Nations the needed venues to build piping systems and continue to use up the resources for themselves. What I mean in sumnation is that they are throwing one group to the fire in order to save their asses in a much more strategic region. And lets be honest, when China decides it is going to enter the "Break-Out" Stage of their empire building plan, North Korea and South Korea could fall to them overnight if they so chose to see it through. America's Power in the Pacific is waning. If we do not handle this properly our falling out of grace in the Region may rapidly increase. The question is, where are their subs. Actually, the question is where are our subs...they carry more than 50% of our strategic nuclear arsenal. One sub could do untold damage to NK if necessary. Absolutely! Your presence here Gerry: Invalauble, as always!!! yes, however if you think about it Gerry it makes sense. America's politicians will be given the opportunity to save face and look good at home during elections because they were 'war hawks' when it came to Nkorea. However, in reality will be, as a nation, taking a step back, or a rapprochement if you will, from the Middle East. We have been fighting and dieing in the ME for over a decade now and Nkorea gives America the opportunity to evaporate from the region while keeping the sheep in America under the illusion of invincibility. Nkorea is the golden goose. gives us the chance to look good, aka saving face, while in reality bowing out of the shit storm in the ME, giving us the chance to focus our resources in Africa and Asia where shit really matters. |
| Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States03/29/2013 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real hotspot today, right now where people are dying by the dozens every day is NW Africa. There is no where on this globe that more people are being killed, tortured and kidnapped every single day. Quoting: Gerry52 I guess it's all a matter of perspective. NW Africa is a real mess, a real humanitarian crisis no doubt. But in terms of potential catastrophic global impact - NW Africa pales in comparison to what is going on over on the Korean peninsula. While I believe the chances for a full blown conventional or unconventional war in the Korean peninsula region are relatively slim, if things go "hot" the humanitarian crisis will quickly surpass anything going on in NW Africa. The artillery shelling along the DMZ alone will cause hundreds of thousands of casualities. And the financial impacts - yowzer. South Korea is the 15th largest economy in the world. Seoul (about an hours drive from the DMZ and in range of long range fixed NK arty) is the world's 11th largest metropolitan area. US and China would likely mobilize which would create further instability in the markets. Again, NW Africa is a real bad place to be. But IMO it has just about reached its zenith in terms of how bad things are going to get. As far as Korea goes - we are talking potential destructive impact unlike we have seen since WWII. Agreed...so what else do we need to do to piss off the little masterbator to cause him to strike out. I guarantee our B2's wagging their tails at him yesterday really got his undies in a snit. Maybe a good nipple twist?... I'm sure the Pentagon could figure something out . . . the cupboard is far from bare. I sure hope everyone can take a step back from the ledge. Escalation control looks like it is going to be a real problem if we get another NK provocation in the wake of the Cheonan and Yeongpang Island attacks. I doubt it will be a major attack if NK does decide to physically lash out. My concern is that Obama decides to "absorb" the attack and Kimmy boy is further emboldened. He really is a loose cannon...the unknown in the equation. We can only hope he has the sense of self preservation and that he doesn't believe his own bullshit. I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
| Steve5728 User ID: 34567844 United States03/29/2013 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I doubt it will be a major attack if NK does decide to physically lash out. My concern is that Obama decides to "absorb" the attack and Kimmy boy is further emboldened. He really is a loose cannon...the unknown in the equation. We can only hope he has the sense of self preservation and that he doesn't believe his own bullshit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35795988 United States03/29/2013 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After studying the war declaration, it is merely declaring North Koreans intent to attack the next time the US provokes. I am down grading my doom to simply more likely than not verses a presumptive conclusion that North Korea will attack. |
| Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States03/29/2013 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7879907 China and Russia know that any American Operation in North Korea would absolutely cause a stand down in posture towards Syria and Iran as Obama would absolutely not get involved in multiple major operations as that. As you stated previously, China gives any North Korean action the green or red light. It's why I believe they are going to allow this to take place. North Korea may fall, but that was only an eventuality anyway. What's important to them is that Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and various other militant Islamic factions sympathetic to their cause will stay in power and allow both Nations the needed venues to build piping systems and continue to use up the resources for themselves. What I mean in sumnation is that they are throwing one group to the fire in order to save their asses in a much more strategic region. And lets be honest, when China decides it is going to enter the "Break-Out" Stage of their empire building plan, North Korea and South Korea could fall to them overnight if they so chose to see it through. America's Power in the Pacific is waning. If we do not handle this properly our falling out of grace in the Region may rapidly increase. The question is, where are their subs. Actually, the question is where are our subs...they carry more than 50% of our strategic nuclear arsenal. One sub could do untold damage to NK if necessary. Absolutely! Your presence here Gerry: Invalauble, as always!!! yes, however if you think about it Gerry it makes sense. America's politicians will be given the opportunity to save face and look good at home during elections because they were 'war hawks' when it came to Nkorea. However, in reality will be, as a nation, taking a step back, or a rapprochement if you will, from the Middle East. We have been fighting and dieing in the ME for over a decade now and Nkorea gives America the opportunity to evaporate from the region while keeping the sheep in America under the illusion of invincibility. Nkorea is the golden goose. gives us the chance to look good, aka saving face, while in reality bowing out of the shit storm in the ME, giving us the chance to focus our resources in Africa and Asia where shit really matters. Possible, but I have a feeling that the US doesn't want another war, anywhere. We really are tired of war...well, most of us. It's all going to depend on how Obama decides to react. As we have seen, he gets what he wants. Is NK going to be a fly in his ointment and his orders will be...'just make the problem go away. I don't really care how you do it, just make it go away'. After all he is trying to figure out how to get our guns away from us right now and this NK problem is just a big distraction on his plate. If he does take the gloves off and turn it over to the military NK will become the proving ground for all kinds of new military toys. And, it's not like were going to have many western reporters in NK to record what goes on and who is going to believe anything put out by NK based upon their track record of reporting the truth. I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7879907 United States03/29/2013 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After studying the war declaration, it is merely declaring North Koreans intent to attack the next time the US provokes. I am down grading my doom to simply more likely than not verses a presumptive conclusion that North Korea will attack. Quoting: MIL MAN ughh. we should eliminate their life like it was mortal combat circa 1999. Finish Him. |
| Gerry52 User ID: 5789790 United States03/29/2013 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After studying the war declaration, it is merely declaring North Koreans intent to attack the next time the US provokes. I am down grading my doom to simply more likely than not verses a presumptive conclusion that North Korea will attack. Quoting: MIL MAN More Kimmy Boy blather. The boy is about to step on his own dick. Bring on the nipple twist, maybe that will provoke him. Last Edited by Gerry52 on 03/29/2013 09:13 PM I know the voices aren't real, but man do they come up with some great ideas! Semper Fi USMC Very much an Occams Razor kind of guy. Bridging the gap between "It can't happen to us" and "We're all going to die". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37100412 United States03/29/2013 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After studying the war declaration, it is merely declaring North Koreans intent to attack the next time the US provokes. I am down grading my doom to simply more likely than not verses a presumptive conclusion that North Korea will attack. Quoting: MIL MAN I want the doom down graded, I'm just not feeling like we are there yet. NK so riled up I fear they are looking for an excuse so they can say we warned you but you provoked anyway.   Hope I am wrong. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7879907 United States03/29/2013 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Gerry52 Actually, the question is where are our subs...they carry more than 50% of our strategic nuclear arsenal. One sub could do untold damage to NK if necessary. Absolutely! Your presence here Gerry: Invalauble, as always!!! yes, however if you think about it Gerry it makes sense. America's politicians will be given the opportunity to save face and look good at home during elections because they were 'war hawks' when it came to Nkorea. However, in reality will be, as a nation, taking a step back, or a rapprochement if you will, from the Middle East. We have been fighting and dieing in the ME for over a decade now and Nkorea gives America the opportunity to evaporate from the region while keeping the sheep in America under the illusion of invincibility. Nkorea is the golden goose. gives us the chance to look good, aka saving face, while in reality bowing out of the shit storm in the ME, giving us the chance to focus our resources in Africa and Asia where shit really matters. Possible, but I have a feeling that the US doesn't want another war, anywhere. We really are tired of war...well, most of us. It's all going to depend on how Obama decides to react. As we have seen, he gets what he wants. Is NK going to be a fly in his ointment and his orders will be...'just make the problem go away. I don't really care how you do it, just make it go away'. After all he is trying to figure out how to get our guns away from us right now and this NK problem is just a big distraction on his plate. If he does take the gloves off and turn it over to the military NK will become the proving ground for all kinds of new military toys. And, it's not like were going to have many western reporters in NK to record what goes on and who is going to believe anything put out by NK based upon their track record of reporting the truth. exactly. I'm not one to belive in false flags... but, an "emp, or nuke strike" in america blamed on Nkorea would be a great way to say lets take away everything. You are right... Nkorea is a closed state.. who's to say that this isn't all b/s to get people riled up and distracted. just saying. This administration more than any in the past has been very good at slight of hand. If this is all a distraction then I feel really foolish and dooped.. |
