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The Sonic Dreamer

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What if it was a global decision, to re-start the economic system, free of debt and with bans on exorbitant interest rates?
 Quoting: K.Kool


Good questions!

Now, why would the people that purposely cause individuals, corporations, and governments (entire countries) to be enslaved by mountainous debt they can never mathematically repay, ever want to allow that to happen?

They exorbitant interest rates are called usury. And the Bible explicitly bans usury. But, the banks do not heed that.

There will be a global restart, and it may just include some debt repudiation/jubilee/debt forgiveness....but it will be a strategic move, to consolidate more power and usher in a one world currency and a one world governing body....and then the real nightmare 1984 scenario begins.

Enslavement of the worst kind, and NOBODY will be exempt, and NOWHERE will be safe.

This is what we are up against. It is all connected...drugged populations via pharmaceuticals and quack medicine. Dumbed down people from poor education systems.
Zombified societies from mind control television programming.
Weakened morals and integrity from purposeful gradual erosion of religion, family, family values, etc.


We either fight back, and save humanity....or the world will slip into a dark age like mankind has never known....and if I must give my life for this cause, so be it. The focus now should continue to be on waking up friends, family, neigbors who are still fast asleep/unaware/unconscious. But I am not going down without a fight, although that time is not here just yet, but it approaches and approaches rapidly. In terms of weeks and months, not years and decades... Viper Den
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Re: ...and off the cliff we go
What if it was a global decision, to re-start the economic system, free of debt and with bans on exorbitant interest rates?
 Quoting: K.Kool


Good questions!

Now, why would the people that purposely cause individuals, corporations, and governments (entire countries) to be enslaved by mountainous debt they can never mathematically repay, ever want to allow that to happen?

They exorbitant interest rates are called usury. And the Bible explicitly bans usury. But, the banks do not heed that.

There will be a global restart, and it may just include some debt repudiation/jubilee/debt forgiveness....but it will be a strategic move, to consolidate more power and usher in a one world currency and a one world governing body....and then the real nightmare 1984 scenario begins.

Enslavement of the worst kind, and NOBODY will be exempt, and NOWHERE will be safe.

This is what we are up against. It is all connected...drugged populations via pharmaceuticals and quack medicine. Dumbed down people from poor education systems.
Zombified societies from mind control television programming.
Weakened morals and integrity from purposeful gradual erosion of religion, family, family values, etc.


We either fight back, and save humanity....or the world will slip into a dark age like mankind has never known....and if I must give my life for this cause, so be it. The focus now should continue to be on waking up friends, family, neigbors who are still fast asleep/unaware/unconscious. But I am not going down without a fight, although that time is not here just yet, but it approaches and approaches rapidly. In terms of weeks and months, not years and decades... Viper Den
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer




I agree with an end to usury, but differ from you about the outcome, we don't have to have a 1984 nightmare, but live in a world without a whole lot of the evils that plaque as now.

The scenario you describe, I believe is promulgated by those who stand to profit from continuing the nightmare we already have.






Thread: The Pope's Call for a World Authority is Brilliant and Prophetic
K.Kool

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What if it was a global decision, to re-start the economic system, free of debt and with bans on exorbitant interest rates?
 Quoting: K.Kool


Good questions!

Now, why would the people that purposely cause individuals, corporations, and governments (entire countries) to be enslaved by mountainous debt they can never mathematically repay, ever want to allow that to happen?

They exorbitant interest rates are called usury. And the Bible explicitly bans usury. But, the banks do not heed that.

There will be a global restart, and it may just include some debt repudiation/jubilee/debt forgiveness....but it will be a strategic move, to consolidate more power and usher in a one world currency and a one world governing body....and then the real nightmare 1984 scenario begins.

Enslavement of the worst kind, and NOBODY will be exempt, and NOWHERE will be safe.

This is what we are up against. It is all connected...drugged populations via pharmaceuticals and quack medicine. Dumbed down people from poor education systems.
Zombified societies from mind control television programming.
Weakened morals and integrity from purposeful gradual erosion of religion, family, family values, etc.


We either fight back, and save humanity....or the world will slip into a dark age like mankind has never known....and if I must give my life for this cause, so be it. The focus now should continue to be on waking up friends, family, neigbors who are still fast asleep/unaware/unconscious. But I am not going down without a fight, although that time is not here just yet, but it approaches and approaches rapidly. In terms of weeks and months, not years and decades... Viper Den
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer




I agree with an end to usury, but differ from you about the outcome, we don't have to have a 1984 nightmare, but live in a world without a whole lot of the evils that plaque as now.

The scenario you describe, I believe is promulgated by those who stand to profit from continuing the nightmare we already have.


Thread: The Pope's Call for a World Authority is Brilliant and Prophetic
 Quoting: K.Kool




I think the Pope is spot on with this.

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richardjs

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Just kick the can down the road already!
We went off the fiscal-cliff long ago, they just keep changing the 'law of gravity'.
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01/01/2013 04:05 AM
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Its all good now
An Ordinary Greek
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01/01/2013 04:40 AM
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Happy New Year (yeah, right...) people!

So, what happened, a 2-month delay, no deal on the debt ceiling, uber-taxing the Small and Medium individual enterprises, and that's it? wtf
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01/01/2013 04:42 AM
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Just kick the can down the road already!
We went off the fiscal-cliff long ago, they just keep changing the 'law of gravity'.
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All ppl keep falling for it.

blink
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01/01/2013 04:52 AM
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The US has trillions of debt (so many zeros I cant count on both hands) which means that the implosion will be all the more ........messy!
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We went over the cliff years ago.
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01/01/2013 04:57 AM
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Funny thing is America will have to pay one day the money they owe. Better to pay it now or have so much fking doom and hardship your be totally fk'ed at a later date.

You choose unwisely.ohyeah
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01/01/2013 04:59 AM
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Sorry if I seem dense, but what exactly is going to happen now? Is it the same old same old, or are taxes actually going up for many of us?
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01/01/2013 05:15 AM
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news ticker says 'wall street closed stongly as fiscal cliff averted'
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That doesn't make any sense
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01/01/2013 05:17 AM
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They expect Ben Bernanke to keep printing money.

It's 16 trillion in debt plus all the multiples of derivatives.

Fiat digital currency.
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01/01/2013 05:18 AM
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Noughts at the touch of a button.

Watch ..

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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01/01/2013 05:20 AM
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What happens eventually I don't know but it can't be pretty.

I don't think there is a way to pay it back.
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01/01/2013 05:21 AM
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This is why Geithner doesn't want Europe to implode.

All the derivatives will come back to the US.
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"...Senate passes measure to avoid 'fiscal cliff'..."

To me this means that absolutely nothing was accomplished.
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This country needs a wake up call.
 Quoting: Woogie 16813744


most of you morons are more worried about your guns than the economy.
what a joke.
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The 2 concerns are certainly related. Think about it.
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They expect Ben Bernanke to keep printing money.

It's 16 trillion in debt plus all the multiples of derivatives.

Fiat digital currency.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20756371


WRONG


Fiscal Cliff == end of the Federal Reserve's 100 year charter.

They just won't admit this publically.


That's what all the hubub is about, bub. It's not about run of the mill budget crap like they say on the news.
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01/01/2013 06:11 AM
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The plates could keep spinning forever for all I know.

I'm just a spectator.
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December 2013 the charter comes to an end it says.

I don't know what links are banned here so I won't post it.
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01/01/2013 06:17 AM
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The IMF could right the debt off as a bad business deal as America declares bankrupt and starts again.
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Britain gave Hong Kong back to China when the lease was up.

Preparations were made.
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I think the US funds the IMF.

The US is the global currency.

It may come down to inflation in the end.
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01/01/2013 06:34 AM
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I think the US funds the IMF.

The US is the global currency.

It may come down to inflation in the end.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20756371


They wouldn't be able to collect taxes if they went the inflation route. Inflation is a one shot deal, and after that, the goverment that does it loses the ability to collect taxes.
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Sequestration still comes in in two months time.

That's another event on the horizon.

Cuts in defence etc.
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There is no government and there is no sequestration.
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01/01/2013 06:37 AM
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It was 16.4 trillion in October. It must be even more now.

[link to www.zerohedge.com]

It keeps going up anyway.

It could be an interesting year.

If there are cuts then that's just less money in the economy and a recession ensues.

My theory is that it's an ecosystem now.
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meanwhile we're building two new super carriers. god bless 'merica!
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Sequestration still comes in in two months time.

That's another event on the horizon.

Cuts in defence etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20756371


There is no government and there is no sequestration.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


They were there yesterday. Whether they will still be there by Friday is anybody's guess.

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