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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18535219 United States 01/01/2013 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Bible says we have to make changes to be forgiven- Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18535219 So then, really, men pardon each other's sin quite well, while it seems that God can't. can you show me that in the Bible? You posted it yourself: "What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be mislead. Neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God's Kingdom. AND YET THATS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ"- 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18535219 United States 01/01/2013 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Bible says we have to make changes to be forgiven- Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18535219 So then, really, men pardon each other's sin quite well, while it seems that God can't. Really? You can forgive someone who continually wrongs you or lies to you and thinks saying "sorry" makes it ok. That's the definition of an a-hole. Saying sorry and asking forgiveness is an undertaking to try not to do that sin or crime again, even among men. Otherwise it's meaningless. The whole Jesus thing was that he had to make the sacrifice for us, because man wasn't capable of being truly sorry for his own sins. I make it a point to be absolutely merciful...so yes I do forgive someone who continually wrongs me. At the same time, I don't let it happen any further...I'm sensible about it. I've had a good friend lie to me for many years. I see through it, and I don't make his life any worse for who he is...I accept him, because that's what friends do. "Mercy triumphs over judgment." If the choice comes, press charges so that this person who has harmed me will spend life in solitary confinement...or don't...I will choose not to ruin that person's life! Besides myself and my weird philosophy of mercy...you see most men letting porn (for instance) continue on in their earthly kingdom. Men maybe aren't as forgiving as God...but they are certainly better at pardoning sin. Take the story of Sodom and Gomorrah...do you think the people living in those cities were condemning each other? Nope. They accepted one another...and God didn't accept them. |
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CelestialMaiden (OP) User ID: 30718771 United States 01/01/2013 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Bible says we have to make changes to be forgiven- Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18535219 So then, really, men pardon each other's sin quite well, while it seems that God can't. can you show me that in the Bible? You posted it yourself: "What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God's Kingdom? Do not be mislead. Neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God's Kingdom. AND YET THATS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ"- 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 if a person changes their course, exercises faith in Christ...what part of God " washes them clean" { or, in other words, FORGIVES| do you NOT get? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18535219 United States 01/02/2013 01:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if a person changes their course, exercises faith in Christ...what part of God " washes them clean" { or, in other words, FORGIVES| do you NOT get? I understand it fully. But what of the people that are literally unable to change their course? They try and experience epic fail time after time. That is my experience and struggle. According to some verses, such as the one you just gave, it means there is no PARDONING of their sin. No forgiveness then! The person must stop sinning, and then they are forgiven/pardoned by God. Man pardons...he allows sinful people to exist in the world with him. He lets them be, as long as it doesn't interfere with his own free will. For the most part. To me, this is a virtue. It is mercy, and acceptance of human nature. It's a blessing to the person who experiences failure, when someone else acknowledges that we all make mistakes. I'm not at all saying God is incapable of pardoning sin. I can't speak for him. I hope he has a similar heart and mind to me, and could see my point of view...it would save many from the "lake of fire". There are other verses that may contradict the idea that God has an inability to pardon, for instance, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment! Maybe mercy acts as a loophole out of it. Anyway, don't mean to get you riled up. I just totally struggle with it, and discussion will bring more clarity to the situation. |
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CelestialMaiden (OP) User ID: 30718771 United States 01/02/2013 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | H if a person changes their course, exercises faith in Christ...what part of God " washes them clean" { or, in other words, FORGIVES| do you NOT get? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18535219 I understand it fully. But what of the people that are literally unable to change their course? They try and experience epic fail time after time. That is my experience and struggle. According to some verses, such as the one you just gave, it means there is no PARDONING of their sin. No forgiveness then! The person must stop sinning, and then they are forgiven/pardoned by God. Man pardons...he allows sinful people to exist in the world with him. He lets them be, as long as it doesn't interfere with his own free will. For the most part. To me, this is a virtue. It is mercy, and acceptance of human nature. It's a blessing to the person who experiences failure, when someone else acknowledges that we all make mistakes. I'm not at all saying God is incapable of pardoning sin. I can't speak for him. I hope he has a similar heart and mind to me, and could see my point of view...it would save many from the "lake of fire". There are other verses that may contradict the idea that God has an inability to pardon, for instance, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment! Maybe mercy acts as a loophole out of it. Anyway, don't mean to get you riled up. I just totally struggle with it, and discussion will bring more clarity to the situation. How loving is our heavenly Father to recognize this about us: For we all stumble many times....." - James 3:2 |
helper User ID: 1604658 United States 01/02/2013 03:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #1 the father never forgives blasphemy against the spirit. not in this cycle(system) nor the one to come. #2 the fathers name is not jehovah. its reverse translation means mischief. so to be in truth and not lie you must use his real name that was given to us. otherwise it is a lie. God is Love Love is truth if it is not in truth then it can not be love. his name in Hebrew Yehueh his name in Aramaic Yahuah there is no j or v . the letter j is 200 years old. the letter v is from modern hebrew. modern Hebrew was fabricated from yiddish, and different dialets of aramaic. they dont speak ancint hebrew. it has not been spoken since the exile to babylon in about 600bc. the waw has a long u sound or a oo sound. |
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CelestialMaiden (OP) User ID: 30718771 United States 01/02/2013 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nice post. nice effort. few prolems though. Quoting: helper 1604658 #1 the father never forgives blasphemy against the spirit. not in this cycle(system) nor the one to come. #2 the fathers name is not jehovah. its reverse translation means mischief. so to be in truth and not lie you must use his real name that was given to us. otherwise it is a lie. God is Love Love is truth if it is not in truth then it can not be love. his name in Hebrew Yehueh his name in Aramaic Yahuah there is no j or v . the letter j is 200 years old. the letter v is from modern hebrew. modern Hebrew was fabricated from yiddish, and different dialets of aramaic. they dont speak ancint hebrew. it has not been spoken since the exile to babylon in about 600bc. the waw has a long u sound or a oo sound. Gods name Jehovah in Hebrew was represented by four letters called the Tetragrammaton, read from left to right in Hebrew, and can be represented in modern languages as YHWH or JHVH. Gods name, represented by these four consonant's appear almost 7,000 times in the original "Old Testament, or "Hebrew Scriptures". The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha`wah, meaning "to become"- "He causes to become" - |
Life and Love User ID: 23644024 United States 01/02/2013 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gods name Jehovah in Hebrew was represented by four letters called the Tetragrammaton, read from left to right in Hebrew, and can be represented in modern languages as YHWH or JHVH. Gods name, represented by these four consonant's appear almost 7,000 times in the original "Old Testament, or "Hebrew Scriptures". Quoting: CelestialMaiden The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha`wah, meaning "to become"- "He causes to become" - The consonants came from YHWH and the vowels came from Adonai, according to the best research. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20657814 United States 01/02/2013 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God can't Love???- 1 John 4:8 says; "God IS love" John 3:16 says: "For God loved the world so much he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" I would say that's the greatest of all love, wouldn't you? Yes, God loves me so much that he will burn me forever in hell. WOW, now that is love. So the story is that God hated everything he created. He destroyed most of it in a flood. Then he decided that man was evil so he had to sacrifice himself to himself after he got a virgin teenager pregnant. Then he had himself killed as a blood sacrifice and if I don't believe this insane story, I get to go to hell, no questions asked. That is real LOVE, let me tell you. |
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DGN User ID: 30782865 United States 01/03/2013 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lie: Quoting: Indysmindy Hbr 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: Hbr 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Hbr 6:19 Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; [link to www.blueletterbible.org] :Jesus Devil: Correct ! "Upon the basis of a hope of everlasting life which God, who CANNOT lie, promised before times long lasting"-Titus 1:2 So when God said; "The righteous themselves will possess the EARTH and they will reside forever upon it"- Psalms 37:29 we will know it will happen What is the destiny of the world's champion Satan, is his reign of terror all coming to failure before his fans? |
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DGN User ID: 30782865 United States 01/03/2013 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lie: Quoting: Indysmindy Hbr 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: Hbr 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Hbr 6:19 Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; [link to www.blueletterbible.org] :Jesus Devil: Correct ! "Upon the basis of a hope of everlasting life which God, who CANNOT lie, promised before times long lasting"-Titus 1:2 So when God said; "The righteous themselves will possess the EARTH and they will reside forever upon it"- Psalms 37:29 we will know it will happen What is the destiny of the world's champion Satan, is his reign of terror all coming to failure before he exterminates his clan? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24410859 United States 01/03/2013 06:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel nothing is impossible for God to do, even if something were to be seemingly contradictory, God's actions are beyond our total understanding. We could place expectations on what is plausible so far as things God would do or wouldn't do, but in the end, I feel it would be impossible to know, unless within the Godhead. |
helper User ID: 1604658 United States 01/03/2013 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nice post. nice effort. few prolems though. Quoting: helper 1604658 #1 the father never forgives blasphemy against the spirit. not in this cycle(system) nor the one to come. #2 the fathers name is not jehovah. its reverse translation means mischief. so to be in truth and not lie you must use his real name that was given to us. otherwise it is a lie. God is Love Love is truth if it is not in truth then it can not be love. his name in Hebrew Yehueh his name in Aramaic Yahuah there is no j or v . the letter j is 200 years old. the letter v is from modern hebrew. modern Hebrew was fabricated from yiddish, and different dialets of aramaic. they dont speak ancint hebrew. it has not been spoken since the exile to babylon in about 600bc. the waw has a long u sound or a oo sound. Gods name Jehovah in Hebrew was represented by four letters called the Tetragrammaton, read from left to right in Hebrew, and can be represented in modern languages as YHWH or JHVH. Gods name, represented by these four consonant's appear almost 7,000 times in the original "Old Testament, or "Hebrew Scriptures". The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha`wah, meaning "to become"- "He causes to become" - that is not his name in hebrew. if you would like proof of this fact. then i will show you . and by the way it is read from right to left in hebrew. |
helper User ID: 1604658 United States 01/03/2013 07:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gods name Jehovah in Hebrew was represented by four letters called the Tetragrammaton, read from left to right in Hebrew, and can be represented in modern languages as YHWH or JHVH. Gods name, represented by these four consonant's appear almost 7,000 times in the original "Old Testament, or "Hebrew Scriptures". Quoting: CelestialMaiden The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha`wah, meaning "to become"- "He causes to become" - The consonants came from YHWH and the vowels came from Adonai, according to the best research. that is exactly were that name come from. you can not just make up his name. at least if your intent is truth. |
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