Did The Federal Reserve Renew Their Charter That Ended 12/31/12? PIN FOR ANSWERS TO THIS MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF 2013!!

I'm not rehashing ron paultard nonsense..

If you used your devil-slit eyeballs and checked out the link, I was showing where others were asking the same question..

You are a 100% douche-bag shill.. go back to your hole you crawled out of.

thanks for the links AC

Great info on here! Will be looking into "lawful" money I want in my hands..

^ This is, unfortunately, correct ^
The Dec 31 2012 Fed charter expiration was as much of a myth as the Dec 21 2012 Mayan doom.

I do remind that some of the Ron Paul people (fans) have been part of the deception and sources of dis-information. Ron Paul himself never said that it was ended 'automatically at some date', some of his more stupid fans (or distractors) got everyone thinking it was going to expire on a given date.

Ron Paul himself introduced at least one resolution in the US House that called for the total abolition and repeal of the entire FRS acts. Had it going to be 'automatically expired' he would not have had to introduce such repealing act to the U.S. House.

And so many think this FRS thing is confusing, just wait until you actually sit down and start studying the three main forms of Economics, that of the American System of Economics, the London School of Economics, and the Austrian School of Economics (which is what Paul promoted in Mises). And then wonder why so little is now understood about the American System of Economics.

Well then tell me how IT is able to manuever around millions of people who know what it really is?

How does it stay afloat unless it has something to do with CONgress and bill signing?

I only linked ron paul site because of the questions others had on the forums.

If our administration is looking out for anyone's best interest, then the Federal Reserve would have been gone a long time ago.

It's so plain and simple I guess. Right in our face.

How many more times do you Paultards have to be told, there never was a 99 year charter.

link?

www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235009637-very-import​ant-satan-and-year-2013/

hmmm..

reminded my significant other of the $333 being given away here at the holidays.

Just for enlightenment and enjoyment consider:


Andrew Jackson Stole Our Constitution
December 8, 2012 • 6:33PM

by Rachel Brown, former candidate MA-4

The recently released LPAC report, "How Andrew Jackson Destroyed the United States," is the tool with which we shall reclaim our Constitution, destroy the corrupted political party system, and expose the futility of any other proposed economic solution than that which has been proffered by Lyndon LaRouche. It reveals how Andrew Jackson, the most treasonous president in American history, under the patronage of British agents Aaron Burr and Martin Van Buren, took a sledgehammer to the Constitutional republic of the United States by setting up a dictatorial regime consisting of clandestine political operatives and elected puppets- all empowered by a monopoly of the poisonous, lying mass media which was used to manipulate the masses of the American population into acceding to his unconstitutional actions. Such were the beginnings of that same Democratic Party which, still to this day, defends the criminal actions of a madman in the name of party loyalty.

First, there was Jackson's attack on the Second National Bank- that is, removing the deposits from the bank and allocating them to the private banks of Wall Street. This deliberate act of destruction of the nation's economy was against not only the will of Congress, which had already voted to recharter the bank based off its huge success in driving economic productivity, but was also against the decision of the Supreme Court, which had found that the Bank was in violation of no laws, and to the contrary, was functioning beautifully. After the take down of the Bank had resulted in the economic crisis of 1837, the subsequent Van Buren presidency blamed the crisis on the American people, and declared that the only remedy was to "cease to run into debt," demanding that public investments into canal building and internal improvements be halted. The British agents then further consolidated the destruction of the credit system of the United States (which had been the pinnacle of the historically anti-imperial policy founded in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and later developed by Benjamin Franklin) through a policy to cancel the use of paper money, and replace it with a new "Subtreasury" system of gold and silver specie, held around the country in iron boxes until needed for government expenditures. As Abraham Lincoln had noted, since money has no value except by the virtue of its participation in a process of economic development, Jackson's sub-treasury system was used to destroy the development of the nation, and prevent credit from being extended to farmers and industry.

The parallels to today are obvious. We have not had a true Constitutional republic since the Jackson administration dismantled the National Bank and destroyed the U.S. credit system, the only true system of economic sovereignty. As direct British-run agents, the Jackson apparatus also set into motion the fascist political party-system, which is, and always will be, as President Washington warned in his farewell address, an instrument of foreign power and foreign interests. Today, like Jackson, Tony Blair's puppet president Barack Obama is dutifully dismantling our economy as he pushes us toward thermonuclear World War III.

For such blatant abuses of executive power, Andrew Jackson should have been impeached. However, the opposition, led by John C. Calhoun, Henry Clay, and Daniel Webster, which was likely disoriented by the media control of popular opinion, tragically failed to unite and take Jackson's dictatorial apparatus head on. The failure to impeach Jackson for such outright violations of the Constitution, was the beginning of the loss of public faith in the true function of the principle of impeachment.

However, no such excuses are acceptable now- Obama must be impeached if you wish to survive! Another media-created British puppet, Obama is out to destroy the United States, and likely drive the world into thermonuclear war. His promotion of terrorist groups- including Al Qaeda, his cover-up of the Benghazi massacre of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans- which was itself a direct outcome of his unconstitutional war in Libya, and his call for more nation-killing budget cuts, used directly for population reduction, are all reasons that he is unqualified to serve as President, and should be forced to resign.
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Maybe we could see how 'we' (meaning 'our' fore-fathers), got into this mess -- in effect "impeachment was off the table".

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Maybe we could see how 'we' (meaning 'our' fore-fathers), got into this mess -- in effect "impeachment was off the table".




Ugh... I live on the road he was killed on. The park dedicated to him is right down the road from me. this town is evil.. maybe I know why now.

Bullshit. Perhaps of the Evangelists, but most certainly not all Christians which also make up a much larger group of Christians then merely the numbers of the Evangelicals.

The Evangelical factions of Christianity's denominations are pretty much hand in glove with the so called Neo-Cons. But that is another topic.

And on that, it is not only gold and silver by the way. One had better consider all the Coinage Acts of the U.S. Congress passed and Presidentially signed into law. But the foundational grant of Power is found in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

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Article 1 - Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

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To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
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It is in the Coinage Acts that we find just what alloy of metal of what metal in to be Lawful Money. And its legal weight and measure. A U.S. Quarter Coin that has its mass reduced by 1% is not Legal Money, for instance. This Power to Coin Money is the ground upon which the Coinage Acts are built up from in superstructure.

An alleged 1 Oz America Eagle that is reduced in mass by trimming by 1% of its mass is also Not Legal Money, though it be .9999 Fine Gold. Just because it is .9999 Fine Gold it that does not make it, in itself, Legal Money.

All current U.S. Mint Coins are Lawful Money as they left the Minting, including the Penny - which is copper and zinc. Lawful Money is in context only within the lands of the U.S.A. for use within the U.S.A. to what ever extent the Congress has allowed even that of foreign government minting such as Canadian or Mexican, or the UK or Germany or China or Russia, etc.

And in almost every case those Central Banks are PRIVATE Central Banks of private international bank cartels.

There are very few National Banks in the world today, very few.

Go back to the 1st Bank of the United States, and the 2nd Bank of the United States (even though those too go corrupted by corrupted government officials) they are an example of a Government (by the People) in a Public National Bank.

"Math time.

The total value of all gold EVER mined would exceed US$10.1 trillion."

This is a totally bogus assertion. Since the US Dollar value of gold is variable using the US Dollar and the Power of Congress under the US Constitution to define the value of the US Dollar, the US Congress by mere legislation can set $1.00 to equal 1 TON. of .9999 Fine Gold. Or make it set to two atoms of Gold element. Your assertion is therefor bogus and irrelevant.

Very interesting. Thank you.

The electronic amplifier feed back control systems, the error and detection methods and deviance from a give perferred or desired Targe Goal is far more complex than first meets the eye. The aspects of the Complex Domain, and even the difference between, e.g., the Ideal Resistor and the Real Resistor is a constant problem in all electronics design. The simplifications of that paper are basic reductionism which well sooner or later cause the op amps to fail, and such analog being used for economic engines has that same problem and do to such reductions that economic engine itself will fail.

In the study of Marco-Economics of a "closed system" as if the Nation was the only nation in the Solar System, or even the Marco-Economics of a One World Government is vastly more along the lines of the fully mapped neural networks and better optimized in its feed-back controls by such functions or operations for optimization by such as Differential Evolution of Genetic Algorithms. For all of that the AI question remains as to which works better that of "error correction' and adjustment whether by some guided training of the system or by self-learning as in self-organizing systems.

The noise of the Resistors in the Real resistor component when applied to economic engines and systems has one particular form of noise called CORRUPTION found in Officials in the 'active device' aka the Government Official s an their public/private contractors and sub-contractors. That Corruption Noise can only be constrained or restrained and not completely removed. After all its all about Human Nature at the end.

Still an interesting read and am keeping it for further analysis.

And yet the foundations of the Science of Economics must start at the Science of Physical Economics. Only later with the transition of the sole person to the couple of people do we find the advent of anything that is Political. Then grown to the Family or the Three... the power of those Three begin all Government and policies and politics including the Science of Political Economics and Social Economics.

At the entire heart of the problem is that then called Property and Property Ownership and discerning who shall be the Authority to decide who really owns what.

This Property issue is the entire crux and perhaps unsolvable problem, the Hard Problem of all Economics.

Do you have a God-Given or Creator Endowed Right to Own and Hold and Use Land? Is Land Ownership a God Given Right and an unalienable Right? There is the deciding question.

This is the current unsolvable issue of all Economics.

Off topic here, sort of, but I found another good writing from Russia.. Psychology students taught to take down the US with their Psychopolitics(brainwashing).. here is what they have done..

[link to www.lawfulpath.com]

and what would "real money" be?

So? nobody knows what real money is?
I hope not gold, it wouldn't work

It is that same process of National Emergency that keeps the U.S. Army refunded every two years so that we effectively have a Standing Army. That is how they got around the Constitution's ban on a "Standing Army" and insured there would be effectively always funding every two years for the US Army, and hence, a more or less de-facto Standing Army. In that sense it has nothing to do with the FRS. Except that the FRS can then loan money back to the USG so that the Congress can refund the US Army every two years. It would not even take a National Emergency to keep refunding the US Army every two years, a mere passage by Congress is enough, should Congress decide (and they have since before WWI) to fund it.

By the Constitution the USG is to have at all times a Standing Navy.

There is no need to renew the FRS because it is automatic until Congress abolish the FRS or it is "Impeached" by violation of the laws it is supposed to be abiding by. There is no need to Renew the FRS every so many years.

"that the renewal of the National Emergency covers the renewal of the Fed Reserve through some quirk in either the Federal Reserve Charter or in Title 12 (the banking title)."

The bigger question then is why keep a de-facto (every two years refunding of the US Army) Army a standing practice?

Argh that was a very poor sentence.

Notice we are still daily flying the War Flag of the U.S.A.

FOr that matter the US Air Force and even the US Space Command (a force?) are also refunded nearly as automatically as is the US Army and Marines.

Many have stated elsewhere that the entire reason for the FRS in the first place was to provided for a constant state of War by the USG and its People, to become the permanent World Army for the conquest of the rest of the world, not in conquest for the additional territories of the USA but rather to bring all the other nations in bondage and absorption into a One World Government, One World Nation, One World Economic System, One World Religion. Once that is in place the U.S.A. as a nation and government then just becomes yet another Administrative branch of the One World Government just like all other former nations.

Niclous of Cusa's original New World Order was to start with ordering the New World, the Americas to be developed and work as a political/economic Lab to refine the Nation/State Republics of Europe and at some time for that method and process to be transplanted back into Europe to produce
peaceful Nation-States in Europe... as constitutional democratic Republics.

There started the further idea of Pan-Europe concept -- a Unified Europe as a single Nation. The Vatican has been working a very long time to bring that to pass. Then idea then was to slowly or quickly transform each sovereign nation int becoming merely administrative 'states' to be managers for the One World Government.

I have the same question as you have though.



The USA is not to be destroyed, but rather like the mountains leveled and the valleys filled until its all a level playing field. -- at least that's what it looks like is going on.

Interesting.

We already discussed what that was for pages. sorry, but you may have to go back thru the thread and read.

It is still a little confusing because it is new info for some of us to digest... but the info is written thru-out this thread.

I am also going back over it so I can do more research.

Standard British Reductionism.

Not 'meaning' as if there were only one meaning of the word, "conspiracy".

Instead there are a multitude of meanings of the one word, "conspiracy".

Have you ever read the unabridged Oxford English Dictionary and Lexicon of all the varies meanings of that word, "Conspiracy"? Apparently not.

does the rabbit hole have a bottom? seems to go on and on and on.

so much info, yet hard to piece together.. Especially since this has been going on before our parents were even born. Ugh..

What does he mean by this?

Ahha.. I have seen those red seals but without the US NOTE in the top center banner.

"Today, if you look at the right side of any newly issued BILLS above the 1 and 2 $ denomination, there are 2 notes there, the United States note is located to the right side of the big head of the dead guy."

I just looked at a Series 2009 $10 Bill, at the top it says, Federal Reserve Note in rather large font. To the top right from the Head I see (in rather small font)" FW H 32 " The right Seal is Green the left Seal is Black. I see nothing there as to the 'two notes' you are speaking of.

Where is a good US Treasury website link to view the form of the bills and their parts meanings, so that one can look at them and see what is what? I am a bit 'search' impaired a the moment. You aid would be welcomed.