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Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class

 
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Some interesting links---

[link to newtownbee.com]

watch video about the 4th grade class---

Entire class missing--- (more official confusion)

[link to www.youtube.com]

Ref. for staff/school start times and note school year:

[link to newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net]

[link to newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net]

[note differences]


[link to katherinemauro.weebly.com]

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When pulling into the elementary school the first thing you see is their baseball field and colorful playground.

Upon arriving in the Library Media Center at 8:45am, I was introduced to the three staff members, Yvonne, Cindy and Mary. Come to find out this particular library has four working professionals. While Yvonne left the library to meet her first class of fourth graders in their classroom, I watched 18 students of various grade levels circulate into the library to exchange books.

Upon leaving the school I introduced myself to the lead teacher, Natalie Hammond, who described Yvonne as being the best person to learn from.
Cech, Yvonne.

“Sandy Hook Elementary School Library.” Personal Interview by Katherine Mauro. 21 Sep 2012.
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[link to www.causes.com]


checked links leading to:

[link to myschooldesk.net] (same as top ref. no mention of Soto?)

{Monday, December 10, 2012
- Read book club assignment, read for at least 30 minutes, and sign log.
- Math Student Book 1. Page 70.
- Review words for tomorrow.
*Geography Test will be administered on Friday, December 14th.} last post??


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I went through all of these pages to answer one simple question... after reading the info on {Welcome to Newtown: article} why the differnce in school start times?

And what happened to Soto? She is listed as an intern in the 2010-11 school year... or is the 2012-2013 staff listing student handbook simply not listed?


More questions than answers....
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very interesting... i totally missed the Ted Varga story...
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[link to newtownbee.com]
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[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Why does Vicki Soto's brother say that her sister saved 14 of her students?
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Why does Vicki Soto's brother say that her sister saved 14 of her students?
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Ahh well, you know, all the confusion, blah blah blah.
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Why does Vicki Soto's brother say that her sister saved 14 of her students?
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7 hidden and 7 escaped probably
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This whole thing is maddening. So did Soto have 15 students as shown in her class pic? Or did she have 16 as others have said? Or was it 19 if you count the ones that ended up at Rosen's? Or could have been 20 which, I guess, would make some sort of sense if you consider her brother's Twitter page?
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[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Why does Vicki Soto's brother say that her sister saved 14 of her students?
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7 hidden and 7 escaped probably
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The kids who escaped Soto's, Gene Rosen kids, were said to be 6 by Gene himself.

7 kids in the closet.

6 killed.

The numbers with Soto's class are mind boggling and they've been detailed on some of my other threads.

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Thread: UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio

Thread: SANDY HOOK - Ms. Soto's Class - Details Change AGAIN!!
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Even those numbers don't add up if you consider that Rousseau had 15 in class pic +1 who would have been Emilie Parker who was away for the photo. We know all died except for one. That's 15. So does that mean only 5 died in Soto's class??
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Even those numbers don't add up if you consider that Rousseau had 15 in class pic +1 who would have been Emilie Parker who was away for the photo. We know all died except for one. That's 15. So does that mean only 5 died in Soto's class??
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"The arriving officers encountered a shocking scene in Soto's classroom. Lanza had shot her, as well as special education teacher Anne Marie Murphy and six of Soto's 6- and 7-year old students. Seven of Soto's students were found huddled and unharmed in a classroom closet, apparently hidden by Soto when she heard shooting. The other students fled the classroom."

[link to www.courant.com]
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Even those numbers don't add up if you consider that Rousseau had 15 in class pic +1 who would have been Emilie Parker who was away for the photo. We know all died except for one. That's 15. So does that mean only 5 died in Soto's class??
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"The arriving officers encountered a shocking scene in Soto's classroom. Lanza had shot her, as well as special education teacher Anne Marie Murphy and six of Soto's 6- and 7-year old students. Seven of Soto's students were found huddled and unharmed in a classroom closet, apparently hidden by Soto when she heard shooting. The other students fled the classroom."

[link to www.courant.com]
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Well, if that story is still true, then only 14 died in Rousseau's class. That makes TWO survivors. Unless Emilie Parker was never there to begin with......
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Why does Vicki Soto's brother say that her sister saved 14 of her students?
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I'm not sure if even Victoria Soto's family and friends are certain of how many kids were in Victoria's classroom.

At Victoria's funeral, Jillian Soto said there were 19.
Police say when disturbed gunman Adam Lanza burst into Soto’s first-grade class, the young teacher rushed her students into a closet and then placed herself in the path of the bullets.

“You just needed to be an angel, an angel to the 19 children you protected,” said Jillian Soto.

[link to www.nydailynews.com]

And Carlee Soto said that 5 died and 13 survived (18 total) on Instagram. [link to instagram.com]

And one of Victoria's friends wrote soon after the shooting that there were 16.
A friend of Ms Soto wrote online: 'I talked to Vicki on Tuesday and she told me that she loved her 16 angels and never wanted to let them go. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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Carlos Soto and Natalie Hammond will be guests at President State Of The Union

[link to newtown.patch.com]

[link to www.nydailynews.com]

Should be a great performance by Natalie Hammond who has not been seen anywhere online or in the real world. She has no online history at all and not a single article has a photo of her except a CBS provided photo. They sure do have come up alot that CBS...
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Could this just be the old "fog of war" reporting? Could some students from other classes have been mixed during that day? I know its probably a stretch, but I guess its possible.
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Carlos Soto and Natalie Hammond will be guests at President State Of The Union

[link to newtown.patch.com]

[link to www.nydailynews.com]

Should be a great performance by Natalie Hammond who has not been seen anywhere online or in the real world. She has no online history at all and not a single article has a photo of her except a CBS provided photo. They sure do have come up alot that CBS...
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I think I may have seen a picture of Hammond at one time, maybe on this site. I'm not sure where it was found. Maybe Facebook?
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Could this just be the old "fog of war" reporting? Could some students from other classes have been mixed during that day? I know its probably a stretch, but I guess its possible.
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I don't think so, given the amount of time that had passed between the various conflicting media reports. The accounts cited in the following thread are days and weeks after the event.

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[link to twitter.com (secure)]
Why does Vicki Soto's brother say that her sister saved 14 of her students?
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I'm not sure if even Victoria Soto's family and friends are certain of how many kids were in Victoria's classroom.

At Victoria's funeral, Jillian Soto said there were 19.
Police say when disturbed gunman Adam Lanza burst into Soto’s first-grade class, the young teacher rushed her students into a closet and then placed herself in the path of the bullets.

“You just needed to be an angel, an angel to the 19 children you protected,” said Jillian Soto.

[link to www.nydailynews.com]
And Carlee Soto said that 5 died and 13 survived (18 total) on Instagram. [link to instagram.com]
And one of Victoria's friends wrote soon after the shooting that there were 16.
A friend of Ms Soto wrote online: 'I talked to Vicki on Tuesday and she told me that she loved her 16 angels and never wanted to let them go. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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So, you could make a strong case that so far Soto's class could have had 15, 16, 18, 19, or even 20 in her class that day depending on the source.
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So, you could make a strong case that so far Soto's class could have had 15, 16, 18, 19, or even 20 in her class that day depending on the source.
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LOL! Yes.

My working theory is that there were 17 kids in the class.

5 died
5 escaped and were driven to the police station
7 hid in the closet

Of the 7 kids in the closet, once was quickly reunited with a parent once outside the school. The other six were brought to Gene Rosen's house, for Gene had told LE that his house was available if anyone needed a quieter space.
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i recently found a small video
[link to landing.newsinc.com]

were a "guy" (probably in the fire station lining the kids) talking about the missing class...

what he say look strange "they were not in the regular"?

what it mean?

i found in the radio dispatch when he say this:
[link to www.youtube.com]
at 11:07 am (@ 1:31:00)


did "they were not in the regular" mean it was not a regular classroom?
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The reason Sandy Hook has so many inconsistencies, anomalies, and contradictions is because Sandy Hook never happened. Sandy Hook is/was a scripted and staged made for TV event. All of the people involved are actors.

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The reason Sandy Hook has so many inconsistencies, anomalies, and contradictions is because Sandy Hook never happened. Sandy Hook is/was a scripted and staged made for TV event. All of the people involved are actors.
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i really hope this, it means no kids death... but big lies from gouv and media.

we cant know what really happend, but i think something happens and they wanted so much to use it for gun control so they cheated.
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So, you could make a strong case that so far Soto's class could have had 15, 16, 18, 19, or even 20 in her class that day depending on the source.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


LOL! Yes.

My working theory is that there were 17 kids in the class.

5 died
5 escaped and were driven to the police station
7 hid in the closet

Of the 7 kids in the closet, once was quickly reunited with a parent once outside the school. The other six were brought to Gene Rosen's house, for Gene had told LE that his house was available if anyone needed a quieter space.
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Biggest crock of shit claim in this thread.
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So, you could make a strong case that so far Soto's class could have had 15, 16, 18, 19, or even 20 in her class that day depending on the source.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


LOL! Yes.

My working theory is that there were 17 kids in the class.

5 died
5 escaped and were driven to the police station
7 hid in the closet

Of the 7 kids in the closet, once was quickly reunited with a parent once outside the school. The other six were brought to Gene Rosen's house, for Gene had told LE that his house was available if anyone needed a quieter space.
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Biggest crock of shit claim in this thread.
 Quoting: Gladio


What exactly is a crock of shit about this? I've been trying to make sense of the numbers for weeks.

From what I can tell, 5 or 6 kids were able to escape past the shooter(s). The parents of the kids who escaped have said that their children were brought to the police station.

So, IMO, Gene's story is either completely fabricated, or he is covering up the fact that Law Enforcement officials deliberately brought 6 of Soto's students to his house for some reason.

I suggested an innocuous reason for why those kids were brought to his house. But you can speculate on the reasons for why LE authorities brought 6 of Soto's students to Gene's house and why Gene is covering up the fact that LE was involved from the beginning.

If you really want to, you can also speculate on whether those 6 kids were from the group found hidden in the closet or were six of the children who have been identified as dead.
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So, you could make a strong case that so far Soto's class could have had 15, 16, 18, 19, or even 20 in her class that day depending on the source.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


LOL! Yes.

My working theory is that there were 17 kids in the class.

5 died
5 escaped and were driven to the police station
7 hid in the closet

Of the 7 kids in the closet, once was quickly reunited with a parent once outside the school. The other six were brought to Gene Rosen's house, for Gene had told LE that his house was available if anyone needed a quieter space.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Biggest crock of shit claim in this thread.
 Quoting: Gladio


What exactly is a crock of shit about this? I've been trying to make sense of the numbers for weeks.

From what I can tell, 5 or 6 kids were able to escape past the shooter(s). The parents of the kids who escaped have said that their children were brought to the police station.So, IMO, Gene's story is either completely fabricated, or he is covering up the fact that Law Enforcement officials deliberately brought 6 of Soto's students to his house for some reason.

I suggested an innocuous reason for why those kids were brought to his house. But you can speculate on the reasons for why LE authorities brought 6 of Soto's students to Gene's house and why Gene is covering up the fact that LE was involved from the beginning.

If you really want to, you can also speculate on whether those 6 kids were from the group found hidden in the closet or were six of the children who have been identified as dead.
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The "crock of shit" part is LE bringing the kids to Rosen's. That would never have happened.

Rosen said the six at his house were from Soto's class.

Please provide a link that says the parents of the escaped kids from Soto's said they were brought to the police station.
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Look at .46 secs...We have only seen one other person being put in a ambulance and it looks like the same lady BUT there are 2 people puttin gher in instead of like 1 on the first video??

Compare these 2 videos...


[link to www.youtube.com]


[link to landing.newsinc.com]



i recently found a small video
[link to landing.newsinc.com]

were a "guy" (probably in the fire station lining the kids) talking about the missing class...

what he say look strange "they were not in the regular"?

what it mean?

i found in the radio dispatch when he say this:
[link to www.youtube.com]
at 11:07 am (@ 1:31:00)


did "they were not in the regular" mean it was not a regular classroom?
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LOL! Yes.

My working theory is that there were 17 kids in the class.

5 died
5 escaped and were driven to the police station
7 hid in the closet

Of the 7 kids in the closet, once was quickly reunited with a parent once outside the school. The other six were brought to Gene Rosen's house, for Gene had told LE that his house was available if anyone needed a quieter space.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Biggest crock of shit claim in this thread.
 Quoting: Gladio


What exactly is a crock of shit about this? I've been trying to make sense of the numbers for weeks.

From what I can tell, 5 or 6 kids were able to escape past the shooter(s). The parents of the kids who escaped have said that their children were brought to the police station.So, IMO, Gene's story is either completely fabricated, or he is covering up the fact that Law Enforcement officials deliberately brought 6 of Soto's students to his house for some reason.

I suggested an innocuous reason for why those kids were brought to his house. But you can speculate on the reasons for why LE authorities brought 6 of Soto's students to Gene's house and why Gene is covering up the fact that LE was involved from the beginning.

If you really want to, you can also speculate on whether those 6 kids were from the group found hidden in the closet or were six of the children who have been identified as dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


The "crock of shit" part is LE bringing the kids to Rosen's. That would never have happened.

Rosen said the six at his house were from Soto's class.

Please provide a link that says the parents of the escaped kids from Soto's said they were brought to the police station.
 Quoting: Gladio


Aidan Licata's parents [link to www.cnn.com]
Aidan and the boys ran toward the front door, out of the building and then toward the main road where a woman stopped, picked them up and drove them to the police station.

Bryce Maskel's mother, Jen
[link to www.people.com]
Not long afterward another mom told Jen that five kids who'd escaped were at the Newtown police station. "She said two moms found them running down the road a half mile from the school," Jen says. "She didn't know which kids they were, though."

Rep. John Frey also corroborated this story. [link to www.newstimes.com]
Tricia Gogliettino (John Frey's sister).... was driving to Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning to deliver a gingerbread house she and her first-grader had made as a school project.

She was about one mile from the school on Riverside Road when she saw five young children running up the road. She stopped the car and asked them what they were doing, said Gogliettino's brother, Ridgefield state Rep. John Frey. They told her, "Someone is trying to kill us. We were told to run," said Frey, recounting the episode Gogliettino had related.


Frey tweeted about his sister on the morning of the 14th [link to twitter.com (secure)]

The Licatas don't say how many kids to taken to the police station. Jen Maskel and John Frey both say there were five.




So there are 5 children who escaped and were very likely driven to the police station and five children who were almost definitely killed.

Therefore, I think the confusion lies with what happened to the remaining 6 or 7 children. The Courant says that they were found hidden in a closet. Gene Rosen says that they also escaped and wound up at the foot of his driveway.
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Biggest crock of shit claim in this thread.
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What exactly is a crock of shit about this? I've been trying to make sense of the numbers for weeks.

From what I can tell, 5 or 6 kids were able to escape past the shooter(s). The parents of the kids who escaped have said that their children were brought to the police station.So, IMO, Gene's story is either completely fabricated, or he is covering up the fact that Law Enforcement officials deliberately brought 6 of Soto's students to his house for some reason.

I suggested an innocuous reason for why those kids were brought to his house. But you can speculate on the reasons for why LE authorities brought 6 of Soto's students to Gene's house and why Gene is covering up the fact that LE was involved from the beginning.

If you really want to, you can also speculate on whether those 6 kids were from the group found hidden in the closet or were six of the children who have been identified as dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


The "crock of shit" part is LE bringing the kids to Rosen's. That would never have happened.

Rosen said the six at his house were from Soto's class.

Please provide a link that says the parents of the escaped kids from Soto's said they were brought to the police station.
 Quoting: Gladio


Aidan Licata's parents [link to www.cnn.com]
Aidan and the boys ran toward the front door, out of the building and then toward the main road where a woman stopped, picked them up and drove them to the police station.

Bryce Maskel's mother, Jen
[link to www.people.com]
Not long afterward another mom told Jen that five kids who'd escaped were at the Newtown police station. "She said two moms found them running down the road a half mile from the school," Jen says. "She didn't know which kids they were, though."

Rep. John Frey also corroborated this story. [link to www.newstimes.com]
Tricia Gogliettino (John Frey's sister).... was driving to Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning to deliver a gingerbread house she and her first-grader had made as a school project.

She was about one mile from the school on Riverside Road when she saw five young children running up the road. She stopped the car and asked them what they were doing, said Gogliettino's brother, Ridgefield state Rep. John Frey. They told her, "Someone is trying to kill us. We were told to run," said Frey, recounting the episode Gogliettino had related.


Frey tweeted about his sister on the morning of the 14th [link to twitter.com (secure)]

The Licatas don't say how many kids to taken to the police station. Jen Maskel and John Frey both say there were five.




So there are 5 children who escaped and were very likely driven to the police station and five children who were almost definitely killed.

Therefore, I think the confusion lies with what happened to the remaining 6 or 7 children. The Courant says that they were found hidden in a closet. Gene Rosen says that they also escaped and wound up at the foot of his driveway.
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Thanks for the links.

Some definite conflicts floating around the MSM reports on this.
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Here's another way of putting it.

The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
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