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Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class

 
Gladio (OP)

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Re: Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class
Here's another way of putting it.

The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


These two Hartford Courant reports say 6 killed from Soto's class:
[link to www.courant.com]

[link to www.courant.com]
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Ain't it amazing that the teenage girl who gave the judge the finger is named Soto.
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Re: Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class
Here's another way of putting it.

The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Of those groups I would venture to guess that Group 4 is false. I don't believe Rosen had any kids at his house. Of course, that makes another number of total kids in Soto's class: 17.

So far, you could make a case that Soto had a possibility of 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, or even 20 kids in her class that day depending on the source. You would think they would have all the numbers straight by now.
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Re: Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class
Here's another way of putting it.

The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


These two Hartford Courant reports say 6 killed from Soto's class:
[link to www.courant.com]

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


I know, I keep reading that 6 kids died in Soto's class but on her class picture, how come only 5 are identified as dead? I can't find the class pic right now, but I'm sure everyone has seen it with the dead names underneath each pic.
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Re: Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class
Here's another way of putting it.

The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


These two Hartford Courant reports say 6 killed from Soto's class:
[link to www.courant.com]

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


I know, I keep reading that 6 kids died in Soto's class but on her class picture, how come only 5 are identified as dead? I can't find the class pic right now, but I'm sure everyone has seen it with the dead names underneath each pic.
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I think it's been asserted that Emiliy Parker was the 6th, supposedly absent from class picture.
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Listen you all have it wrong.......it does not matter what the media told you.....they are all guessing. If you really want your head to hurt solve this for me.......there were 2 kids taken to the hospital......both died.....that leaves 18 kids. So on the police radio we have state police AND Newtown police saying there are 18 kids and 1 adult VICTIMS in a closet in the kitchen. 18+2 =20........Why are they saying it all took place in those 2 stupid classrooms? It didn't.....I think Lanza shot 5 adults and 2 kids near the front and another shooter shot 19 in the kitchen.
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Re: Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class
Here's another way of putting it.

The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


These two Hartford Courant reports say 6 killed from Soto's class:
[link to www.courant.com]

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


Well, there are 5 victims shown in Soto's class photo. There are 14 victims, plus 1 survivor, shown in Rousseau's class photo. Emilie Parker is missing from either photo. Her father reported that she was in Rousseau's class. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Assuming that Emilie was in Rousseau's class, there were 16 students, total, in Rousseau's class and 16 or 17 students in Soto's class, with one or two kids absent on the day of Soto's class photo.
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Listen you all have it wrong.......it does not matter what the media told you.....they are all guessing. If you really want your head to hurt solve this for me.......there were 2 kids taken to the hospital......both died.....that leaves 18 kids. So on the police radio we have state police AND Newtown police saying there are 18 kids and 1 adult VICTIMS in a closet in the kitchen. 18+2 =20........Why are they saying it all took place in those 2 stupid classrooms? It didn't.....I think Lanza shot 5 adults and 2 kids near the front and another shooter shot 19 in the kitchen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How can they be guessing? Ample time had passed when the reports cited were made. There should be no question at all about who died, where they died, who escaped, and where they escaped to.
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I thought Lanza DIED the day BEFORE it all happened.

That's the last report I heard.
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Re: Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class
Listen you all have it wrong.......it does not matter what the media told you.....they are all guessing. If you really want your head to hurt solve this for me.......there were 2 kids taken to the hospital......both died.....that leaves 18 kids. So on the police radio we have state police AND Newtown police saying there are 18 kids and 1 adult VICTIMS in a closet in the kitchen. 18+2 =20........Why are they saying it all took place in those 2 stupid classrooms? It didn't.....I think Lanza shot 5 adults and 2 kids near the front and another shooter shot 19 in the kitchen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


How can they be guessing? Ample time had passed when the reports cited were made. There should be no question at all about who died, where they died, who escaped, and where they escaped to.
 Quoting: Gladio


Are you serious? Lt.Vance said DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT YOU HEAR FROM ME.......the media are just passing along whatever BS they heard or were fed for those sensational hero stories. The police radio does not lie. Those stupid news articles also said when police walked in they saw Adam duck into a classroom. Yea right.....if they saw that they would have went STRAIGHT to that class. They did not, but they did search the school for 6:30 before you hear them say suspect down. 4 minutes later we hear "be advised he should have long rifle and shot gun". How do the police know a shot gun was used? Shell casings? 3 minutes later we hear "that's all we know at this time". 10 seconds after that we hear "end the life of Adam".
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Listen you all have it wrong.......it does not matter what the media told you.....they are all guessing. If you really want your head to hurt solve this for me.......there were 2 kids taken to the hospital......both died.....that leaves 18 kids. So on the police radio we have state police AND Newtown police saying there are 18 kids and 1 adult VICTIMS in a closet in the kitchen. 18+2 =20........Why are they saying it all took place in those 2 stupid classrooms? It didn't.....I think Lanza shot 5 adults and 2 kids near the front and another shooter shot 19 in the kitchen.
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Interesting.... Could you link to a recording, please?
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Sure give me a few minutes to set it up.....
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I think it's been asserted that Emiliy Parker was the 6th, supposedly absent from class picture.
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No, Robbie Parker told the Daily Mail that Emilie was in Rousseau's class. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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with the two class pictures pictures matched up with the 20 different victims- 15 of them are identified as rosseau's(including emilie parker not there that day) and 5 from soto's. so for media to keep insisting 6 died in soto's is crazy and needs explaining.

and for soto's sister to say there were 19 in the class is crazy, what are the chances of 4 students total be missing for class picture??

this site has both class pictures which points out victims:

[link to krystle-ann.blogspot.com]

also law enforcement claimed "14 jackets 14 corpses he killed them all"

first of all it's 15 dead in that class, and why would he say he killed them all when law enforcement apparently found that one lone survivor in that very class standing in their blood??

duh that's not all of them. why would he say that!!
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I think it's been asserted that Emiliy Parker was the 6th, supposedly absent from class picture.
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No, Robbie Parker told the Daily Mail that Emilie was in Rousseau's class. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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Thanks.
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Ok this is Newtown ONLY......the original everyone heard on youtube was a mix of Newtown and Fairfield County.

[link to www.youtube.com]

2:50 enter the school
2:55 I got bodies here (2 adults near front door)
quiet for 4 minutes.......
8:36 1 suspect down
12:35 be advised he should have long rifle and shot gun
15:15 That"s all we know at this time
15:35 End the life of Adam

The other separated recordings are listed also by that channel.
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Ok this is Newtown ONLY......the original everyone heard on youtube was a mix of Newtown and Fairfield County.

[link to www.youtube.com]

2:50 enter the school
2:55 I got bodies here (2 adults near front door)
quiet for 4 minutes.......
8:36 1 suspect down
12:35 be advised he should have long rifle and shot gun
15:15 That"s all we know at this time
15:35 End the life of Adam

The other separated recordings are listed also by that channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


Alright but what about the victims you said found in the kitchen closet?
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There is alot of info that was missed in discussion on this site. I would have been posting but I think you can guess why I wasn't. Anyone see the HD video of the shot gun in the trunk? He took a huge magazine out of that weapon. You gotta love how Lt. Vance so conveniently left that out of his weapons list release.

Here is the video......scroll down a little on the left and click HD 2X

[link to www.nbcnewyork.com]

See that Mag he removes in the first few seconds?

Here is that list:
[link to www.ct.gov]

Gee I wonder why Vance would list the Mag and capacity for the AR-15 but NOT the Saiga?? Also WHY did they they list it as an Izhmash and not say AKA Saiga?

He does not want the public to know about the highly illegal shotgun does he?
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Ok this is Newtown ONLY......the original everyone heard on youtube was a mix of Newtown and Fairfield County.

[link to www.youtube.com]

2:50 enter the school
2:55 I got bodies here (2 adults near front door)
quiet for 4 minutes.......
8:36 1 suspect down
12:35 be advised he should have long rifle and shot gun
15:15 That"s all we know at this time
15:35 End the life of Adam

The other separated recordings are listed also by that channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


Alright but what about the victims you said found in the kitchen closet?
 Quoting: Gladio


Oh that part be right back.....
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Ok this is Newtown ONLY......the original everyone heard on youtube was a mix of Newtown and Fairfield County.

[link to www.youtube.com]

2:50 enter the school
2:55 I got bodies here (2 adults near front door)
quiet for 4 minutes.......
8:36 1 suspect down
12:35 be advised he should have long rifle and shot gun
15:15 That"s all we know at this time
15:35 End the life of Adam

The other separated recordings are listed also by that channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


Alright but what about the victims you said found in the kitchen closet?
 Quoting: Gladio


that's something they're going to have to explain, why it's closet in the kitchen, made it like they were all found together there instead of two separate classes.

injured victim 2 found in room 9...why up to 9 different numbered rooms if only hallway area/two classrooms supposed to have victims?

the blog i mentioned before brings that point up
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[link to www.youtube.com]

24:18
26:57

18 kids and 1 teacher in the kitchen.......

This was at around 10:30am.......they had cleared the school already of live people and were directing advancing EMS teams to the area of victim's in the school. You hear them on the radio before this saying they are UCONN ER support enroute...
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Lt Vance has said:

All 26 people died from the Ar-15
There was only 1 shooter

BS and more BS

Hey Vance.....why did the Superintendent of Newtown schools testify to Congress that he entered the school with only 2 guns? I thought you said he had 3? where did the other gun come from??
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24:18
26:57

18 kids and 1 teacher in the kitchen.......

This was at around 10:30am.......they had cleared the school already of live people and were directing advancing EMS teams to the area of victim's in the school. You hear them on the radio before this saying they are UCONN ER support enroute...
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wow!! wtf! major red flag there
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[link to www.youtube.com]

24:18
26:57

18 kids and 1 teacher in the kitchen.......

This was at around 10:30am.......they had cleared the school already of live people and were directing advancing EMS teams to the area of victim's in the school. You hear them on the radio before this saying they are UCONN ER support enroute...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


I'm at a loss to explain this.

Could it be the "victims" referred to in the kitchen were actually survivors?

Listen to how nonchalant the guy on the radio is.
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Listen, I can't be 100% positive BUT, if you follow the timeline of what is said on the radio it does NOT match what is reported in the media. The guy who says the those victim's are in the kitchen sounds like he was crying no?
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24:18
26:57

18 kids and 1 teacher in the kitchen.......

This was at around 10:30am.......they had cleared the school already of live people and were directing advancing EMS teams to the area of victim's in the school. You hear them on the radio before this saying they are UCONN ER support enroute...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


I'm at a loss to explain this.

Could it be the "victims" referred to in the kitchen were actually survivors?

Listen to how nonchalant the guy on the radio is.
 Quoting: Gladio


Do we have an official time for when the building was evacuated?
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24:18
26:57

18 kids and 1 teacher in the kitchen.......

This was at around 10:30am.......they had cleared the school already of live people and were directing advancing EMS teams to the area of victim's in the school. You hear them on the radio before this saying they are UCONN ER support enroute...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


I'm at a loss to explain this.

Could it be the "victims" referred to in the kitchen were actually survivors?

Listen to how nonchalant the guy on the radio is.
 Quoting: Gladio


Do we have an official time for when the building was evacuated?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


He says at about 3 minutes after the kids in the closet that the scene is NOT active, reduce speed and continue. I think shortly after this the school was cleared the first time. They are later heard an hour after this clearing the school for the 3rd time and starting a 4th.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

24:18
26:57

18 kids and 1 teacher in the kitchen.......

This was at around 10:30am.......they had cleared the school already of live people and were directing advancing EMS teams to the area of victim's in the school. You hear them on the radio before this saying they are UCONN ER support enroute...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


I'm at a loss to explain this.

Could it be the "victims" referred to in the kitchen were actually survivors?

Listen to how nonchalant the guy on the radio is.
 Quoting: Gladio


The first person I believe is a state police dispatcher.
The second is I believe a Newtown police officer.
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with the two class pictures pictures matched up with the 20 different victims- 15 of them are identified as rosseau's(including emilie parker not there that day) and 5 from soto's. so for media to keep insisting 6 died in soto's is crazy and needs explaining.

and for soto's sister to say there were 19 in the class is crazy, what are the chances of 4 students total be missing for class picture??

this site has both class pictures which points out victims:

[link to krystle-ann.blogspot.com]

also law enforcement claimed "14 jackets 14 corpses he killed them all"

first of all it's 15 dead in that class, and why would he say he killed them all when law enforcement apparently found that one lone survivor in that very class standing in their blood??

duh that's not all of them. why would he say that!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33599789


All great points. I can't believe the MSM would still be claiming there were 6 dead in Soto's class. But of course, the MSM has given up on the details of this story ages ago.
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Another thing I find VERY disturbing......
A Judge ordered the warrants AND the contents SEALED for 90 days. Shortly after that Lt. Vance says to a news reporter that the Black Honda belongs to a Lanza family member. Did he NOT just violate that order? Sure it belongs to Nancy Lanza now we know that from public records BUT that does NOT excuse him from violating a judges order. WTF??

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