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Sandy Hook - The "Survivor" from Ms. Rousseau's Class

 
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Here is a good rundown of the radio traffic.

From here: Newtown Area Police and Fire 12-14-2012 9:13 To 9:43 am

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actual time (radio time)

9:36:00 (23:00) 911 caller reports shooting at Sandy Hook......actual time of shooting shortly before.....
9:36:45 (23:45) caller reports glass broke near front door
9:37:20 (24:20) continues to hear gun fire
9:38:25 (25:25) shooting stopped
9:39:22 (26:10) more shooting
9:39:30 (26:30) police chasing someone near Crestwood ave.
9:41:05 (28:05) last known shots near front of the building

Shooting from around 9:35 to 9:40...........

From here: Newtown Area Police and Fire 12-14-2012 9:43 To 10:13 am

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9:43:50 (:50) different caller reports 1 female in room 1 with gunshot to the foot
9:45:50 (2:50) police enter school for first time
9:45:55 (2:55) I got bodies here
9:51:36 (8:36) we got 1 suspect down
9:51:44 (8:46) where?
9:51:54 (8:55) where is suspect down? (the answer was encrypted)
9:55:35 (12:35) be advised he should have multiple weapons including long rifle and shotgun
9:58:15 (15:15) that's all we know at this time....
9:58:35 (15:35) end the life of Adam
10:00:50 (17:50)need buses here call Danbury if you have too......

From here: Fairfield County Police Fire and EMS 12-14-2012 10:04-10:34 am

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10:28:18 (24:18) closet in the kitchen has victim's
10:30:57 (26:57) one of the places is in the kitchen there is a teacher and 18 kids


So the shooting took place for about 5 minutes off and on.
Police enter the school approx. 9 minutes after the first 911 call. That amount of time passing for anyone who had multiple gunshots would be fatal and there would be no way to revive them. Bodies are seen immediately after entering, probably the 2 who rushed the gunman. Now for 4 minutes there are no reports of activity. A suspect is reported down.....ok Adam or someone outside? Neither person on the radio sounds like the officer who entered the school. Do they mean down as in dead or down as in alive and shot or maybe just captured? 10 minutes after going into the school we hear he should have multiple weapons including long rifle and shotgun. If he is talking about Adam then he has NOT found him yet. If he is not talking about Adam then he is saying to look for another shooter with those weapons. Did he get a description from someone in the school? He surely had enough time to see at least some spent casings or shells as he already has seen a few bodies. During this time he does NOT say he found a dead suspect near the front door in the hallway as 1 newspaper reported. I recently found another article that claims Adam entered an empty class and shot himself. He also does NOT say anything about finding 2 classrooms near the front door full of victim's. Did they not clear those first? The doors would have been opened? We hear some encrypted traffic obviously asking for a status and we only hear that's all we know at this time. 20 seconds later we hear end the life of Adam. Was Adam still alive? If someone did take him out they would have had to do it very quietly. I forgot to add that shortly before the statement end the life of Adam the same officer tells other police to stay outside of the school. WHY?? The school has yet to be cleared and 1 or more shooters are still at large. It became VERY obvious the first officer who entered found a large number of victim's at 10:00:50, approx. 15 minutes after entering the school. Again if they were all in or near the front door and 2 classrooms close by why did it take 15 minutes to find them? At 10:28 there is some sort of an emergency vehicle approaching the scene and asks where to go when they are told by the dispatcher I think, one of the places is the closet in the kitchen it has victims. Are they dead or alive and why he is he directing them there? If these victim's are alive you would think they would have just been escorted out. A few minutes later on the radio we hear the same officer who first entered the school say one of the places is the kitchen it has 1 teacher and 18 kids.
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Police sources initially reported Lanza's sibling, Ryan Lanza, as the perpetrator. This was likely because the perpetrator was carrying his brother's identification, Ryan told The Jersey Journal.--------

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but on Ryan ID... Ryan must be 24yo not 20.. why they announced: suspect is Ryan Lanza 20 yo guy....
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So why do you believe that two of the children were found elsewhere in the building?
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There were reports that 2 kids were rushed to the hospital in police cars and I think you hear at least 1 on the radio confirming this. I assume they found these 2 kids almost immediately. The large group was found at 10:00am nearly 20 minutes or more after the shooting. They would have all been dead at this point judging by the amount of wound and weapons used.
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9:36:00 (23:00) 911 caller reports shooting at Sandy Hook......actual time of shooting shortly before.....
9:36:45 (23:45) caller reports glass broke near front door
...

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19200631


at 9:36:45 i hear the same voice as 9:36:00 so..the 911 dispatcher and it's question: yes or no the front glass.. they unsure why?

could someone confime me this?
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So why do you believe that two of the children were found elsewhere in the building?
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There were reports that 2 kids were rushed to the hospital in police cars and I think you hear at least 1 on the radio confirming this. I assume they found these 2 kids almost immediately. The large group was found at 10:00am nearly 20 minutes or more after the shooting. They would have all been dead at this point judging by the amount of wound and weapons used.
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[link to www.nytimes.com]

The early responders dont tell this story....
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So why do you believe that two of the children were found elsewhere in the building?
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There were reports that 2 kids were rushed to the hospital in police cars and I think you hear at least 1 on the radio confirming this. I assume they found these 2 kids almost immediately. The large group was found at 10:00am nearly 20 minutes or more after the shooting. They would have all been dead at this point judging by the amount of wound and weapons used.
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[link to www.nytimes.com]

The early responders dont tell this story....
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Very curious isn't it? If you notice though most of that was written from the reporter he was not quoting except for a few parts.
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10:30:57 (26:57) one of the places is in the kitchen there is a teacher and 18 kids

Ok about 5 minutes after this sounds like someone says clear the closet in the kitchen. Maybe they had not found them yet and someone called to have the police come get them.

There are still many unanswered questions about the radio traffic. Why does an officer say to be looking for someone with a rifle AND shotgun? He must have seen evidence that a shotgun was used. Why did someone tell all officers to standby OUTSIDE then says end the life of Adam? they called for ambulances for the bodies near the front entrance and then again about 15 minutes later. They did NOT find a large group of bodies till around 10:00 am.
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The class photos show that there were 14 child victims from Rousseau's class and 5 from Soto's class. Emilie Parker is not in either photo, but her father reported that she was in Rousseau's class.
[link to hollywoodlife.com]
[link to www.nypost.com]

Therefore, if 18 of the children killed were found in the kitchen, then that would mean that 3 of Soto's students were found with Rousseau's class. Any ideas about why they were with the other class? Maybe some of the kids switched classes for certain subjects like reading or math?
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The class photos show that there were 14 child victims from Rousseau's class and 5 from Soto's class. Emilie Parker is not in either photo, but her father reported that she was in Rousseau's class.
[link to hollywoodlife.com]
[link to www.nypost.com]

Therefore, if 18 of the children killed were found in the kitchen, then that would mean that 3 of Soto's students were found with Rousseau's class. Any ideas about why they were with the other class? Maybe some of the kids switched classes for certain subjects like reading or math?
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She was absent on picture day I think. I am not sure where the rest were found but I find it hard to believe they did not find them for 15 minutes. They knew about the person shot in the foot and went to that room and I think that person told police what to look for.
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The class photos show that there were 14 child victims from Rousseau's class and 5 from Soto's class. Emilie Parker is not in either photo, but her father reported that she was in Rousseau's class.
[link to hollywoodlife.com]
[link to www.nypost.com]

Therefore, if 18 of the children killed were found in the kitchen, then that would mean that 3 of Soto's students were found with Rousseau's class. Any ideas about why they were with the other class? Maybe some of the kids switched classes for certain subjects like reading or math?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


She was absent on picture day I think. I am not sure where the rest were found but I find it hard to believe they did not find them for 15 minutes. They knew about the person shot in the foot and went to that room and I think that person told police what to look for.
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AC 0631,

As I see it, your contention is that the majority of the dead children were found in the kitchen, not in the classrooms as widely reported.

From News-Times article:


"Officers discover the shooter is dead. Chapman and Smith go back down the hall. They return to an area where they know there are victims -- a first-grade classroom where a majority of the slain children are found."

Read more: [link to www.newstimes.com]

Here is a report in the same article about a girl found in Rousseau's class alive but who later dies at Danbury Hospital:


"The room is full of the bodies of children. But one child, a little girl, still shows signs of life.

A tall, muscular man, Chapman scoops the child into his arms and runs out to find an ambulance. He tells the little girl she is safe, that the police are there to protect her and that she is loved
."

"...The little girl she and her crew rushed to the hospital is pronounced dead."



Read more: [link to www.newstimes.com]

I suggest reading the whole article.

Do you have any other evidence other that the police scanner recording to support the contention that the dead children were found in the kitchen?

Thanks for all the links provided in your previous posts.
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So why do you believe that two of the children were found elsewhere in the building?
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There were reports that 2 kids were rushed to the hospital in police cars and I think you hear at least 1 on the radio confirming this. I assume they found these 2 kids almost immediately. The large group was found at 10:00am nearly 20 minutes or more after the shooting. They would have all been dead at this point judging by the amount of wound and weapons used.
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If Lanza shot himself just inside Soto's class, they would have found all the kids immediately. Why did it take until 10:00 am to call for mulitiple ambulances?
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So why do you believe that two of the children were found elsewhere in the building?
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There were reports that 2 kids were rushed to the hospital in police cars and I think you hear at least 1 on the radio confirming this. I assume they found these 2 kids almost immediately. The large group was found at 10:00am nearly 20 minutes or more after the shooting. They would have all been dead at this point judging by the amount of wound and weapons used.
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If Lanza shot himself just inside Soto's class, they would have found all the kids immediately. Why did it take until 10:00 am to call for mulitiple ambulances?
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Why weren't ambulances dispatched initially w/ the 9/11 call?

I'm not an emergency responder or dispatcher, but wouldn't that have been the thing to do, given the nature of the call?
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So why do you believe that two of the children were found elsewhere in the building?
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There were reports that 2 kids were rushed to the hospital in police cars and I think you hear at least 1 on the radio confirming this. I assume they found these 2 kids almost immediately. The large group was found at 10:00am nearly 20 minutes or more after the shooting. They would have all been dead at this point judging by the amount of wound and weapons used.
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If Lanza shot himself just inside Soto's class, they would have found all the kids immediately. Why did it take until 10:00 am to call for mulitiple ambulances?
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How can we be sure of when ambulances were dispatched? So much of what was being communicated was encrypted.

Speaking of which, how can we be sure that they didn't report discovering the children in the two classrooms over an encrypted channel?
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Speaking of which, how can we be sure that they didn't report discovering the children in the two classrooms over an encrypted channel?
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[link to forums.radioreference.com]

people used with radio say:
police to police = encrypted
police to EMS and Fire = not encrypted.

so normaly you dont encrypt for ambulance
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Every point being debated is based on what you were TOLD to believe. Scrap that tail chasing activity and consider there is nothing to back up any portion of the story. We don't know if a shooters body was really there... we don't know if Adam is real or a complete fabrication.

We don't know for sure, other than we were told, that 20 kids died. Same as the "killing" of bin laden.... you were only told he was shot and dumped in the ocean... zero proof but the narrative was swallowed whole and the lie became FACT because the voice of authority spoke it...

Going way back to 2001... I know for a fact one of the flight attendents on 9-11 thought she was participatting in a drill she was selected to be a part of... I know this first hand from a relative that told me so...

I mention this only because we will not ever be told how much of the recoreded transmissions were drill based or real world.

With ALL that is going on in the world it is good to accept it is a deception and get the lesson from it: we are always lied to, manipulated, and played as the fools by our dear leaders and their mouthpieces.

Investigate but don't get lost in the idea of proving we were duped... I say this as an elder and long awake member of society. If I kept my energy focused on any of the orchestrated events over the past 25 years I would either be mad from the endless circle jerk of tryimg to untangle the tangled web, which is designed to ensnare your time and energy.

Many new people have been shaken awake by the Hook event...and my tip to you babes in the woods; you can't prove what you know is false or disprove what they tell you is true... so avoid the trap so you are not lulled back to sleep out of frustration.

Knowing is more than half of the battle.
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Every point being debated is based on what you were TOLD to believe. Scrap that tail chasing activity and consider there is nothing to back up any portion of the story. We don't know if a shooters body was really there... we don't know if Adam is real or a complete fabrication.

We don't know for sure, other than we were told, that 20 kids died. Same as the "killing" of bin laden.... you were only told he was shot and dumped in the ocean... zero proof but the narrative was swallowed whole and the lie became FACT because the voice of authority spoke it...

Going way back to 2001... I know for a fact one of the flight attendents on 9-11 thought she was participatting in a drill she was selected to be a part of... I know this first hand from a relative that told me so...

I mention this only because we will not ever be told how much of the recoreded transmissions were drill based or real world.

With ALL that is going on in the world it is good to accept it is a deception and get the lesson from it: we are always lied to, manipulated, and played as the fools by our dear leaders and their mouthpieces.

Investigate but don't get lost in the idea of proving we were duped... I say this as an elder and long awake member of society. If I kept my energy focused on any of the orchestrated events over the past 25 years I would either be mad from the endless circle jerk of tryimg to untangle the tangled web, which is designed to ensnare your time and energy.

Many new people have been shaken awake by the Hook event...and my tip to you babes in the woods; you can't prove what you know is false or disprove what they tell you is true... so avoid the trap so you are not lulled back to sleep out of frustration.

Knowing is more than half of the battle.
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For sure, but really i think Sandy Hook could be the place were they could be caught red-handed.

1. It will be really difficult to have a story line that would fit the details know actually.

2. NRA and republicans could be interested...
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Every point being debated is based on what you were TOLD to believe. Scrap that tail chasing activity and consider there is nothing to back up any portion of the story. We don't know if a shooters body was really there... we don't know if Adam is real or a complete fabrication.

We don't know for sure, other than we were told, that 20 kids died. Same as the "killing" of bin laden.... you were only told he was shot and dumped in the ocean... zero proof but the narrative was swallowed whole and the lie became FACT because the voice of authority spoke it...

Going way back to 2001... I know for a fact one of the flight attendents on 9-11 thought she was participatting in a drill she was selected to be a part of... I know this first hand from a relative that told me so...

I mention this only because we will not ever be told how much of the recoreded transmissions were drill based or real world.

With ALL that is going on in the world it is good to accept it is a deception and get the lesson from it: we are always lied to, manipulated, and played as the fools by our dear leaders and their mouthpieces.

Investigate but don't get lost in the idea of proving we were duped... I say this as an elder and long awake member of society. If I kept my energy focused on any of the orchestrated events over the past 25 years I would either be mad from the endless circle jerk of tryimg to untangle the tangled web, which is designed to ensnare your time and energy.

Many new people have been shaken awake by the Hook event...and my tip to you babes in the woods; you can't prove what you know is false or disprove what they tell you is true... so avoid the trap so you are not lulled back to sleep out of frustration.

Knowing is more than half of the battle.
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I'm generally skeptical when somebody says I heard from a relative about so-and-so on 9/11, but that aside, it's a good post.

I agree there is virtually nothing verifiable about Sandy Hook. I do think it's still relevant, whatever "it" is.

When TPTB lie to the public in such an audacious way, it's hard to ignore for some.
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Police sources initially reported Lanza's sibling, Ryan Lanza, as the perpetrator. This was likely because the perpetrator was carrying his brother's identification, Ryan told The Jersey Journal.--------

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 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


but on Ryan ID... Ryan must be 24yo not 20.. why they announced: suspect is Ryan Lanza 20 yo guy....
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The ID mix-up was attributed to a transposition error... however this does not explain the odd unspoken fact--- they had two Id's or two records--- of course we have to guess which Id's they are referencing--- naturally neither ID has ever been shown... why?

If the detective retrieving the ID from the dead-shooter(nobody knows who this shooter is right?) and he finds a picture ID--- the ID has a name and most likely an address-- is the info. current--- he looks at the dead guy and proceeds to confirm the picture is the dead guy... same weight height is only applies if the ID is a drv. lic. or a similar form of ID... how about a SS card? A Credit or bank card? If there is no picture ID then the detective has to run the name through the data bases which might have corresponding information... in the case of Adam we now know there is barely a sliver of info. he even existed at all... what photo would be on file for him? And what file is that? How about any insurance, job etc. Well we know Adam had no job history... right? So what exactly data wise is Adam showing up on at all?

Now this transpose error starts looking a bit thin... Ryan due to his having a recent Dr. Lic. a work history etc. is going to have a much more robust data profile... the detective does not know IF there are multiple individuals with the same name or any relationships to other family members... as soon as a picture is available a comparison has to be made to verify which ADAM or which RYAN may be the dead shooter.... it is really unlikely a transposition error can occur at all considering the fact Adam has a big fat zero data/profile in relation to Ryan... so why make one?

There is no evidence to suggest the State police handling this identification process knew it was adam... they were quite confident it was the Ryan living in Hoboken NJ... [they sent a responder team there and in the news stories that morning several reported police finding a body and two hand-guns(this was later retracted by the TV station but the reporter emphasized a dead body was indeed found... not a word on this since)] and yet the physical description is 110 pounds No height, eye color, hair etc. ... no confirmation of body armor, mask etc... OR glasses... those look like prescriptions in several photo's SO what he was going Rambo on kids blind!! Did Adam need glasses to see as well?

Once again it is the little details which do not stand up to scrutiny... I find it peculiar there are no photo's even in childhood shots of the two brothers doing something really normal for kids at that age... every family has dozens of pics of kids just being kids especially on holidays.... no 18th birthday pics for Adam?

The mis-identification does not add up especially the age reversal and Ryan's address and job info was also available.. all they had to do was call the boss and ask is this employee at work right now? Why yes he is... not the right Id and certainly not the shooter who is quite dead and cannot be at work at the same time... they didn't need to send anyone to the apt. and did they have a warrant? They thought they were going to a dead shooters apt. and according to the initial reports found another dead body.
What a mix-up!

Meanwhile, at the school the kitchen is also part of the multi-purpose room... but thanks to not a single graphic lay-out of INSIDE the school[with all actions accounted for] it is a guessing game as to why they(cops on scene) were unable to do the simple task of identifying where the dead bodies were and where they were not which when all things are considered that could not have been a problem...

I am still checking more info on the ARDevils/news/pre-date I found on the Wayback machine... the explanation(official) for that blunder does not hold up either... but I am leaning to the idea that it was an intentional clue from an unknown which was put there as a sick little joke. NO real suggestion someone at that school or the site(the PDF came from) is evident... but somebody knew about both and linked them...? still a big question mark there at the moment... Code name: Red Devil? Purpose: Crisis? Something is there so time will tell.
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Police sources initially reported Lanza's sibling, Ryan Lanza, as the perpetrator. This was likely because the perpetrator was carrying his brother's identification, Ryan told The Jersey Journal.--------

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 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


but on Ryan ID... Ryan must be 24yo not 20.. why they announced: suspect is Ryan Lanza 20 yo guy....
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The ID mix-up was attributed to a transposition error... however this does not explain the odd unspoken fact--- they had two Id's or two records--- of course we have to guess which Id's they are referencing--- naturally neither ID has ever been shown... why?

If the detective retrieving the ID from the dead-shooter(nobody knows who this shooter is right?) and he finds a picture ID--- the ID has a name and most likely an address-- is the info. current--- he looks at the dead guy and proceeds to confirm the picture is the dead guy... same weight height is only applies if the ID is a drv. lic. or a similar form of ID... how about a SS card? A Credit or bank card? If there is no picture ID then the detective has to run the name through the data bases which might have corresponding information... in the case of Adam we now know there is barely a sliver of info. he even existed at all... what photo would be on file for him? And what file is that? How about any insurance, job etc. Well we know Adam had no job history... right? So what exactly data wise is Adam showing up on at all?

Now this transpose error starts looking a bit thin... Ryan due to his having a recent Dr. Lic. a work history etc. is going to have a much more robust data profile... the detective does not know IF there are multiple individuals with the same name or any relationships to other family members... as soon as a picture is available a comparison has to be made to verify which ADAM or which RYAN may be the dead shooter.... it is really unlikely a transposition error can occur at all considering the fact Adam has a big fat zero data/profile in relation to Ryan... so why make one?

There is no evidence to suggest the State police handling this identification process knew it was adam... they were quite confident it was the Ryan living in Hoboken NJ... [they sent a responder team there and in the news stories that morning several reported police finding a body and two hand-guns(this was later retracted by the TV station but the reporter emphasized a dead body was indeed found... not a word on this since)] and yet the physical description is 110 pounds No height, eye color, hair etc. ... no confirmation of body armor, mask etc... OR glasses... those look like prescriptions in several photo's SO what he was going Rambo on kids blind!! Did Adam need glasses to see as well?

Once again it is the little details which do not stand up to scrutiny... I find it peculiar there are no photo's even in childhood shots of the two brothers doing something really normal for kids at that age... every family has dozens of pics of kids just being kids especially on holidays.... no 18th birthday pics for Adam?

The mis-identification does not add up especially the age reversal and Ryan's address and job info was also available.. all they had to do was call the boss and ask is this employee at work right now? Why yes he is... not the right Id and certainly not the shooter who is quite dead and cannot be at work at the same time... they didn't need to send anyone to the apt. and did they have a warrant? They thought they were going to a dead shooters apt. and according to the initial reports found another dead body.
What a mix-up!

Meanwhile, at the school the kitchen is also part of the multi-purpose room... but thanks to not a single graphic lay-out of INSIDE the school[with all actions accounted for] it is a guessing game as to why they(cops on scene) were unable to do the simple task of identifying where the dead bodies were and where they were not which when all things are considered that could not have been a problem...

I am still checking more info on the ARDevils/news/pre-date I found on the Wayback machine... the explanation(official) for that blunder does not hold up either... but I am leaning to the idea that it was an intentional clue from an unknown which was put there as a sick little joke. NO real suggestion someone at that school or the site(the PDF came from) is evident... but somebody knew about both and linked them...? still a big question mark there at the moment... Code name: Red Devil? Purpose: Crisis? Something is there so time will tell.
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You could turn on every way you want. Ryan is 24. On ID, in database, everywhere.
But ok, they do mistake on Ryan age... mistake happens... and by luck.. the mistake is exactly the age of his brother.
(Because they ignore that Adam exist and live with his mother not far away)
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thank you op for keeping a light shined on the hoax of the year 2012 - and the resulting yet continuing imposition of military and law enforcement on the former american republic
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Every point being debated is based on what you were TOLD to believe. Scrap that tail chasing activity and consider there is nothing to back up any portion of the story. We don't know if a shooters body was really there... we don't know if Adam is real or a complete fabrication.

We don't know for sure, other than we were told, that 20 kids died. Same as the "killing" of bin laden.... you were only told he was shot and dumped in the ocean... zero proof but the narrative was swallowed whole and the lie became FACT because the voice of authority spoke it...

Going way back to 2001... I know for a fact one of the flight attendents on 9-11 thought she was participatting in a drill she was selected to be a part of... I know this first hand from a relative that told me so...

I mention this only because we will not ever be told how much of the recoreded transmissions were drill based or real world.

With ALL that is going on in the world it is good to accept it is a deception and get the lesson from it: we are always lied to, manipulated, and played as the fools by our dear leaders and their mouthpieces.

Investigate but don't get lost in the idea of proving we were duped... I say this as an elder and long awake member of society. If I kept my energy focused on any of the orchestrated events over the past 25 years I would either be mad from the endless circle jerk of tryimg to untangle the tangled web, which is designed to ensnare your time and energy.

Many new people have been shaken awake by the Hook event...and my tip to you babes in the woods; you can't prove what you know is false or disprove what they tell you is true... so avoid the trap so you are not lulled back to sleep out of frustration.

Knowing is more than half of the battle.
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thank you op for keeping a light shined on the hoax of the year 2012 - and the resulting yet continuing imposition of military and law enforcement on the former american republic
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Good to see you posting again, sj. I always look forward to your input.
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Not sure if its brought up in this thread, but considering Lanza supposedly shot everyone somewehere between 3-11 times, i find it extremely weird how one could survive. Why would he go around to every kid lying there, shoot them multiple times, yet fail to hit one of them at all? Sure, he could miss if he just went in, shot at them, then left, but he obviously took his time making sure he killed every one.
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The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Don't forget about Aiden Licata's group of three (3).

Aidan Licata, girl named Emma, plus 1 boy ran away. A woman picked them up in her van and took them to police station.
[link to www.thedailybeast.com]
[link to www.kvia.com]
[link to transcripts.cnn.com]
[link to www.nytimes.com]
"The children got out"
[link to www.cbsnews.com]
"Our son was at the police station"
[link to www.cbsnews.com]
"A text on her phone, Aiden, she learned, was in the firehouse."
[link to www.cnn.com]
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The students in Soto's class can be divided into four groups.

Group 1: 5 kids who escaped past the shooter and were driven to the police station
Group 2: 5 kids who were killed
Group 3: 7 kids who were found hidden in a closet
Group 4: 6 kids who escaped past the shooter and wound up on Gene Rosen's driveway.

One of these groups is false.

Group 1 has two sets of parents and a State Representative verifying its existence. Group 1 is very likely true.

Group 2 has at least one open casket funeral (Jesse Lewis) to verify its existence. [link to www.nydailynews.com] Group 2 is very likely true.

Therefore, it would appear that either Group 3 or Group 4 is false. Or they are somehow the same group of kids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Don't forget about Aiden Licata's group of three (3).

Aidan Licata, girl named Emma, plus 1 boy ran away. A woman picked them up in her van and took them to police station.
[link to www.thedailybeast.com]
[link to www.kvia.com]
[link to transcripts.cnn.com]
[link to www.nytimes.com]
"The children got out"
[link to www.cbsnews.com]
"Our son was at the police station"
[link to www.cbsnews.com]
"A text on her phone, Aiden, she learned, was in the firehouse."
[link to www.cnn.com]
 Quoting: Receptive


I could be wrong, but my guess is that Aidan, Emma, and the other boy were 3 of the 5 kids in Group 1. I don't remember Aidan's parents ever specifying that there only three kids in his group, just that Aidan held the door for two others.
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"....he was one of the groups of kids that ran that got out...."
[link to transcripts.cnn.com]
His group and Gene's group at least.

"As the kids then bolted for safety, 6-year-old Aidan Licata paused to hold the door for a little girl. He then waited to make sure one of his buddies made it out before he followed. All of Soto’s angels survived."
[link to www.thedailybeast.com]


7 set of eyes + 6 slain + 6 at Gene's + 5 at police station = 24 kids in Soto's class.
Riiiiiiiight

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[link to www.thedailybeast.com]

"All of her angels survived".

Is this story insinuating that no child died in Soto's class?

If it is, how much slack should be given the reporter as this story was written a day or two after the shooting.
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[link to www.nytimes.com]

In one of his many interviews, Gene Rosen said he thought one of the girls he took in was named Emma. It seemed he was right about a girl that escaped being named Emma, but the question is when did he know all the names and when was that interview done. I really, really don't believe he had any kids in his house.
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R. LICATA: They ran past the guy -- he's just standing in the door and they ran past him and ran down the hallway and they're one of the closest rooms to the main entrance, and Aiden was -- had the presence of mind to hold the door for one of his classmates. And there was another classmate that was behind and waited for him and they all ran to the road, the main road, all the way down, and where they met a woman who is an angel to us, who took them into her van and took them to the police station.
[link to transcripts.cnn.com]

I only heard about 1 kid being at the police station. Why did he have to hold the door open if the glass was shot out of the front door? So was this a different group than those who ended up at Gene Rosens? There's too many incongruencies going on for all of these accounts to be true. Add to that the 2 boys running down the road screaming described by Marilyn Gudsnuk.
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With all due respect, don't let anyone tell you it's not worth investigating Sandy Hook - it is imperative to investigate Sandy Hook.

It took 15 years of solid effort to force the United States Government to change its official story on the Kennedy assassination from "one guy did it" to "more than one guy likely did it."

As Wiki nicely puts it, "The HSCA resulted from public demands following hundreds of books, magazine articles, and video documentaries completed by private citizens and professional investigators since 1963."

Sandy Hook has just as many, or more, ramifications for the American public today as John Kennedy's death did in 1963.

If the answer to the question, "Is America still a democracy?" matters to you, dig, dig, and keep digging. I promise I will.

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