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In 2011, 8,583 Americans were killed with firearms. Meanwhile in the UK, the National Health Service is killing 1,000 people a month or 12,000 a year.


We’re not talking natural or inevitable deaths, but preventable deaths that were caused by an overburdened and poorly managed health care system.


The study found that something went wrong with the care of 13 per cent of the patients who died in hospitals. An error only led to a death in 5.2 per cent of these cases, which was the equivalent to nearly 12,000 preventable deaths in hospitals in England every year.

13 percent and 5 percent of deaths are far higher numbers than anything you will find among gun owners. And here’s what that looks like.


The Office for National Statistics figures also showed that 43 people who starved to death, 287 people were recorded by doctors as being malnourished when they died in hospitals;

there were 558 cases where doctors recorded that a patient had died in a state of severe dehydration in hospitals

21,696 hospital patients and 1,100 care home residents were suffering from the blood poisoning when they died.

In July, an inquest heard that a young man who died of dehydration at a leading hospital rang 999 for police because he was so thirsty.

[link to frontpagemag.com]

one of the things i have against the brits, they have a hideous healthcare system and they know it. yet they are the same people who call us "barbaric" for not wanting the same crap here as they have there, and they are the same people who tell us "get rid of your guns."

if socialized medicine doesn't work in a little country of some 60 million, how will it work in a country of 314 million?

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Anything run by the government is going to be a major disaster in the first place but when it's life and death, this has to be the inevitable result.
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Anything run by the government is going to be a major disaster in the first place but when it's life and death, this has to be the inevitable result.
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thank you thumbs

commentst after the article were interesting, a couple from canadians:

"Canada's health care system literally does not care about you once you turn 80."

"as one of the few Canadians opposed to universal healthcare and gun control I can tell you socialized medicine is a big fat cash cow,its inefficiency leaves you waiting for hours in the emergency room also it drives up your taxes income and retail, as for gun control at least we scrapped our gun registry"

when we were having the "debate" i read an article about canadians who come to the US for care and they begged us not to allow socialized medicine in the US as they didn't know where they would go for care. oh boy what a mess.
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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lol, ah give it up brit, your healthcare system stinks and pointing fingers at the US is not going to change anything for you and your eventual end of life experience.
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Just wait, the US will vastly overtake Britain's health care death rate with our own Obamacare death panels.

One tidbit of Obamacare mentioned to me by a concerned older person is that anyone taken to an emergency room with neurological emergencies (a stroke) will be only given "comfort care" if they are older than a certain age.

Don't remember the cut off age; maybe 65 or 70? This is criminal, as there are medicines that, if given within 3 to 8 hours after a stroke can often totally reverse the damage.

Obamacare is going to be a real killing machine.

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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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Dont be all butt hurt because you got called out on your shitty healthcare, it's not like we made fun of your rotten tooth.
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Great thread subject. Medically caused deaths should be receiving a lot more media attention.
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If you are stupid enough to use the system you have to appreciate that this might happen.

The NHS has killed both my Nan's, my Dad, prpobably 1 of 2 Grandads and has also had a go at my wife and brother in law, do i trust them, do i fuck, would i use the NHS, would i fuck. Obarmy care you lot are fucked
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Just wait, the US will vastly overtake Britain's health care death rate with our own Obamacare death panels.

One tidbit of Obamacare mentioned to me by a concerned older person is that anyone taken to an emergency room with neurological emergencies (a stroke) will be only given "comfort care" if they are older than a certain age.

Don't remember the cut off age; maybe 65 or 70? This is criminal, as there are medicines that, if given within 3 to 8 hours after a stroke can often totally reverse the damage.

Obamacare is going to be a real killing machine.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


yes it is, and yet low information obama think they are getting something for free. when a body is getting "no care" then yea it should be free.

canadians say that once you have passed 80, their healthcare services don't care about you. what will happen when we see our parents dying for lack of care?
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If you are stupid enough to use the system you have to appreciate that this might happen.

The NHS has killed both my Nan's, my Dad, prpobably 1 of 2 Grandads and has also had a go at my wife and brother in law, do i trust them, do i fuck, would i use the NHS, would i fuck. Obarmy care you lot are fucked
 Quoting: F F S


you have my condolences and i am so sorry for your many losses. but you get what you pay for and if you are getting it "free" then expect it to be non-existent.
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Meanwhile, in the US, iatrogenic death rates are generally quoted as 225,000 per year, or .072% of the population, while the UK iatrogenic death rate is .019%

This is a weird apples and oranges argument. Comparing apples and apples makes no case against the NHS, as they're doing quite a bit better than the US.

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I would rather die than go into hospital.
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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Not really.

Do you know WHY our death rate is higher?

Because we actually try to SAVE the babies that your healthcare system deems as not possible to save based on a random weight measurement.
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Meanwhile, in the US, iatrogenic death rates are generally quoted as 225,000 per year, or .072% of the population, while the UK iatrogenic death rate is .019%

This is a weird apples and oranges argument. Comparing apples and apples makes no case against the NHS, as they're doing quite a bit better than the US.
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Yep, here's the source:

[link to articles.mercola.com]

And I just looked it up and it might actually be even worse than that:

[link to www.ourcivilisation.com]

420,000 deaths a year just through errors, let alone unnecessary treatments carried out for profit.
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[link to www.foxnews.com]

Let this sink in for a moment.. The baby is ALIVE... But doctors were unsure if they should fight for her life:
When she was born six months ago at just 23 weeks, she was so tiny doctors did not know if they should try to save her.
But when they put her on the scales she weighed 1 pound, the minimum weight for a baby to be considered viable — so they fought for her.


In the US every baby like that is fought for. Yes it makes our system more costly. But your says "meh, they don't weigh enough to save"

I'll take ours thank you!
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


Not really.

Do you know WHY our death rate is higher?

Because we actually try to SAVE the babies that your healthcare system deems as not possible to save based on a random weight measurement.
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Uh, if the baby dies shortly after childbirth it's counted as newborn mortality whether the doctors tried to save it or not.
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In 2011, 8,583 Americans were killed with firearms. Meanwhile in the UK, the National Health Service is killing 1,000 people a month or 12,000 a year.


We’re not talking natural or inevitable deaths, but preventable deaths that were caused by an overburdened and poorly managed health care system.


The study found that something went wrong with the care of 13 per cent of the patients who died in hospitals. An error only led to a death in 5.2 per cent of these cases, which was the equivalent to nearly 12,000 preventable deaths in hospitals in England every year.

13 percent and 5 percent of deaths are far higher numbers than anything you will find among gun owners. And here’s what that looks like.


The Office for National Statistics figures also showed that 43 people who starved to death, 287 people were recorded by doctors as being malnourished when they died in hospitals;

there were 558 cases where doctors recorded that a patient had died in a state of severe dehydration in hospitals

21,696 hospital patients and 1,100 care home residents were suffering from the blood poisoning when they died.

In July, an inquest heard that a young man who died of dehydration at a leading hospital rang 999 for police because he was so thirsty.

[link to frontpagemag.com]

one of the things i have against the brits, they have a hideous healthcare system and they know it. yet they are the same people who call us "barbaric" for not wanting the same crap here as they have there, and they are the same people who tell us "get rid of your guns."

if socialized medicine doesn't work in a little country of some 60 million, how will it work in a country of 314 million?
 Quoting: davvi

How many Americans died from not being able to afford healthcare? British healthcare has saved millions of people, whereas American "healthcare" keeps millions away from it, cos it is unaffordable. Some people can't be saved, but some can. your argument is: "This is how many people couldn't be saved in Britain."
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"We don't want our hospitals saving people, we want our churches "saving" people."
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In 2011, 8,583 Americans were killed with firearms. Meanwhile in the UK, the National Health Service is killing 1,000 people a month or 12,000 a year.


We’re not talking natural or inevitable deaths, but preventable deaths that were caused by an overburdened and poorly managed health care system.


The study found that something went wrong with the care of 13 per cent of the patients who died in hospitals. An error only led to a death in 5.2 per cent of these cases, which was the equivalent to nearly 12,000 preventable deaths in hospitals in England every year.

13 percent and 5 percent of deaths are far higher numbers than anything you will find among gun owners. And here’s what that looks like.


The Office for National Statistics figures also showed that 43 people who starved to death, 287 people were recorded by doctors as being malnourished when they died in hospitals;

there were 558 cases where doctors recorded that a patient had died in a state of severe dehydration in hospitals

21,696 hospital patients and 1,100 care home residents were suffering from the blood poisoning when they died.

In July, an inquest heard that a young man who died of dehydration at a leading hospital rang 999 for police because he was so thirsty.

[link to frontpagemag.com]

one of the things i have against the brits, they have a hideous healthcare system and they know it. yet they are the same people who call us "barbaric" for not wanting the same crap here as they have there, and they are the same people who tell us "get rid of your guns."

if socialized medicine doesn't work in a little country of some 60 million, how will it work in a country of 314 million?
 Quoting: davvi

How many Americans died from not being able to afford healthcare? British healthcare has saved millions of people, whereas American "healthcare" keeps millions away from it, cos it is unaffordable. Some people can't be saved, but some can. your argument is: "This is how many people couldn't be saved in Britain."
 Quoting: Libra II 1001450
How many Americans died from not being able to afford healthcare?
I am sure this number is tabulatede somewhere

but no one talks about it

and I bet it is in the millions.
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In 2011, 8,583 Americans were killed with firearms. Meanwhile in the UK, the National Health Service is killing 1,000 people a month or 12,000 a year.


We’re not talking natural or inevitable deaths, but preventable deaths that were caused by an overburdened and poorly managed health care system.


The study found that something went wrong with the care of 13 per cent of the patients who died in hospitals. An error only led to a death in 5.2 per cent of these cases, which was the equivalent to nearly 12,000 preventable deaths in hospitals in England every year.

13 percent and 5 percent of deaths are far higher numbers than anything you will find among gun owners. And here’s what that looks like.


The Office for National Statistics figures also showed that 43 people who starved to death, 287 people were recorded by doctors as being malnourished when they died in hospitals;

there were 558 cases where doctors recorded that a patient had died in a state of severe dehydration in hospitals

21,696 hospital patients and 1,100 care home residents were suffering from the blood poisoning when they died.

In July, an inquest heard that a young man who died of dehydration at a leading hospital rang 999 for police because he was so thirsty.

[link to frontpagemag.com]

one of the things i have against the brits, they have a hideous healthcare system and they know it. yet they are the same people who call us "barbaric" for not wanting the same crap here as they have there, and they are the same people who tell us "get rid of your guns."

if socialized medicine doesn't work in a little country of some 60 million, how will it work in a country of 314 million?
 Quoting: davvi

How many Americans died from not being able to afford healthcare? British healthcare has saved millions of people, whereas American "healthcare" keeps millions away from it, cos it is unaffordable. Some people can't be saved, but some can. your argument is: "This is how many people couldn't be saved in Britain."
 Quoting: Libra II 1001450
How many Americans died from not being able to afford healthcare?
I am sure this number is tabulatede somewhere

but no one talks about it

and I bet it is in the millions.
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Medicaid gives FREE health care for those who can't afford it
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OP is a typical uneducated American. No sense, no intelligence, just purely uneducated.

Both my brothers are doctors and the NHS has saved tens of millions of lives. How would the average person be able to afford a £110,000 operation? Have you thought about that? No? What a surprise!

Maybe if you stopped attacking Muslims and countries who have actual health care systems you might wake up and see how your nation is literally crumbling around you.
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


Not really.

Do you know WHY our death rate is higher?

Because we actually try to SAVE the babies that your healthcare system deems as not possible to save based on a random weight measurement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25254305


Uh, if the baby dies shortly after childbirth it's counted as newborn mortality whether the doctors tried to save it or not.
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Nope. You might want to research that.
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Anything run by the government is going to be a major disaster in the first place but when it's life and death, this has to be the inevitable result.
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thank you thumbs

commentst after the article were interesting, a couple from canadians:

"Canada's health care system literally does not care about you once you turn 80."

"as one of the few Canadians opposed to universal healthcare and gun control I can tell you socialized medicine is a big fat cash cow,its inefficiency leaves you waiting for hours in the emergency room also it drives up your taxes income and retail, as for gun control at least we scrapped our gun registry"

when we were having the "debate" i read an article about canadians who come to the US for care and they begged us not to allow socialized medicine in the US as they didn't know where they would go for care. oh boy what a mess.
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How many Americans die because they just cant afford treatment or surgery for a treatment? it must run into the tens of thousands..

At least in the UK you will always get the surgery or treatment even if you have to wait a while...and if it requires emergency treatment you will get it right away...
Even if you are in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.
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Meanwhile, in the US, iatrogenic death rates are generally quoted as 225,000 per year, or .072% of the population, while the UK iatrogenic death rate is .019%

This is a weird apples and oranges argument. Comparing apples and apples makes no case against the NHS, as they're doing quite a bit better than the US.
 Quoting: AlkaliDesert


Don't forget that the iatrogenic death rates are MEANINGLESS

if compared to population.

You must compare rates of hospital-caused deaths NOT to the population in general,

but to the rate of people hospitalized.

In other words, if no one is hospitalized (even if they need it)
and they die outside of the hospital -

WOW - your hospital statistics start to look great!
Now is the time.
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Well there's your answer, guns aren't effective enough take them away and give em health care...
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Anything run by the government is going to be a major disaster in the first place but when it's life and death, this has to be the inevitable result.
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thank you thumbs

commentst after the article were interesting, a couple from canadians:

"Canada's health care system literally does not care about you once you turn 80."

"as one of the few Canadians opposed to universal healthcare and gun control I can tell you socialized medicine is a big fat cash cow,its inefficiency leaves you waiting for hours in the emergency room also it drives up your taxes income and retail, as for gun control at least we scrapped our gun registry"

when we were having the "debate" i read an article about canadians who come to the US for care and they begged us not to allow socialized medicine in the US as they didn't know where they would go for care. oh boy what a mess.
 Quoting: davvi


How many Americans die because they just cant afford treatment or surgery for a treatment? it must run into the tens of thousands..

At least in the UK you will always get the surgery or treatment even if you have to wait a while...and if it requires emergency treatment you will get it right away...
 Quoting: LosTLocos


I have NEVER heard of anyone denied treatment.
You go to the emergency room, you are in.

You may be billed, but our local level 4 trauma center does NOT turn anyone away, ever.

And you will get good care.

Having said that, I am someone who has worked in both nursing homes and hospitals here and in Germany.

There is no question whatsover in my mind that any sane
person avoids hospitals if they can,

but if you need care,
AMERICAN CARE IS VASTLY SUPERIOR.

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Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
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Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


lol, ah give it up brit, your healthcare system stinks and pointing fingers at the US is not going to change anything for you and your eventual end of life experience.
 Quoting: davvi


Would it make you feel better coming from an American?

The US healthcare system stinks. Compared to other developed nations we are the only ones without government healthcare, and also rank amongst the lowest in infant mortality rate and life expectancy.

At least we're number one (by far) in obesity rates though!

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