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Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans

 
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441



Americans aren't having babies anymore. The majority of babies being born are hispanic.

Therefore, let's blame Mexico for the problem. It's their citizens who are killing their babies with neglect and booze.
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I read a story awhile back the BNP put out on the subject. They say the biggest part of the problem is all the equal opportunity pakies and africans that are now working in hospitals.

These shitty third world immigrants step off the bananna boat right out of the stane age, don't undertsand even basic concepts of sanitation, don't wash their hands, never clean anything to even african hospital standards. So consequently they've created conditions similar to a hospital in Uganda or the Congo right in the heart of England. The hospitals are filthy, shitty and full of filthy and shitty workers.

So infections, horrible diseases and general third world ignorance and incompetence kill thousands every year. All so the limey government can say they're being more inclusive with the minorities.
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jeez what are we giving away in order to be "inclusive?" a friend of mine was traveling in britain and fell and broke her leg. she was horrified at the hospital she was taken to and how she was treated.

she said veterinarians in the US are more competent and stables are cleaner. a once proud nation, eh?
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I say we ban health care all together and let everyone fend for themselves.
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I say we ban health care all together and let everyone fend for themselves.
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we just may come to that, what incentive is there to be come a doctor?
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I say we ban health care all together and let everyone fend for themselves.
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People will have to fend for themselves with Obamacare. Waiting 6 to 8 months for care will do the trick.
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I say we ban health care all together and let everyone fend for themselves.
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People will have to fend for themselves with Obamacare. Waiting 6 to 8 months for care will do the trick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


the thing i worry about is what has happen to canadians and brits. it will become so much a part of our society that most will fear giving it up.

look at gas prices? is $3.70 normal? it seems to be now as i never hear anyone complain about the price. crappy care to become normal in the same way?

we have truly become sheep...
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I say we ban health care all together and let everyone fend for themselves.
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People will have to fend for themselves with Obamacare. Waiting 6 to 8 months for care will do the trick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


the thing i worry about is what has happen to canadians and brits. it will become so much a part of our society that most will fear giving it up.

look at gas prices? is $3.70 normal? it seems to be now as i never hear anyone complain about the price. crappy care to become normal in the same way?

we have truly become sheep...
 Quoting: davvi


Look at social medicine in the UK. They have around 80 million and around 12,000 starve or dehydrate from lack of care in hospitals. We have around 350 million people. Imagine socialized medicine with this many people.
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I say we ban health care all together and let everyone fend for themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24449832


People will have to fend for themselves with Obamacare. Waiting 6 to 8 months for care will do the trick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


the thing i worry about is what has happen to canadians and brits. it will become so much a part of our society that most will fear giving it up.

look at gas prices? is $3.70 normal? it seems to be now as i never hear anyone complain about the price. crappy care to become normal in the same way?

we have truly become sheep...
 Quoting: davvi


Look at social medicine in the UK. They have around 80 million and around 12,000 starve or dehydrate from lack of care in hospitals. We have around 350 million people. Imagine socialized medicine with this many people.
 Quoting: sonic doom


it is going to be very scary.

i do believe that when it first started that teh british system worked quite well and was truly something to be proud of, but as it has gone on and the amount of immigrants who have never paid into the system has crashed it.

something has to give and as the government tries to cut costs, the quality of care has to suffer. we may still have enough of our system left to make it, but our kids won't. how sad.
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People will have to fend for themselves with Obamacare. Waiting 6 to 8 months for care will do the trick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


the thing i worry about is what has happen to canadians and brits. it will become so much a part of our society that most will fear giving it up.

look at gas prices? is $3.70 normal? it seems to be now as i never hear anyone complain about the price. crappy care to become normal in the same way?

we have truly become sheep...
 Quoting: davvi


Look at social medicine in the UK. They have around 80 million and around 12,000 starve or dehydrate from lack of care in hospitals. We have around 350 million people. Imagine socialized medicine with this many people.
 Quoting: sonic doom


it is going to be very scary.

i do believe that when it first started that teh british system worked quite well and was truly something to be proud of, but as it has gone on and the amount of immigrants who have never paid into the system has crashed it.

something has to give and as the government tries to cut costs, the quality of care has to suffer. we may still have enough of our system left to make it, but our kids won't. how sad.
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That's what eats me up inside. I worry about the bill my kids are going to have to pick.
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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Not really.

Do you know WHY our death rate is higher?

Because we actually try to SAVE the babies that your healthcare system deems as not possible to save based on a random weight measurement.
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Any baby not still born is part of the death rate.
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the thing i worry about is what has happen to canadians and brits. it will become so much a part of our society that most will fear giving it up.

look at gas prices? is $3.70 normal? it seems to be now as i never hear anyone complain about the price. crappy care to become normal in the same way?

we have truly become sheep...
 Quoting: davvi


Look at social medicine in the UK. They have around 80 million and around 12,000 starve or dehydrate from lack of care in hospitals. We have around 350 million people. Imagine socialized medicine with this many people.
 Quoting: sonic doom


it is going to be very scary.

i do believe that when it first started that teh british system worked quite well and was truly something to be proud of, but as it has gone on and the amount of immigrants who have never paid into the system has crashed it.

something has to give and as the government tries to cut costs, the quality of care has to suffer. we may still have enough of our system left to make it, but our kids won't. how sad.
 Quoting: davvi


That's what eats me up inside. I worry about the bill my kids are going to have to pick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


in 30 or 40 years we will be europe and all that means, none of which is good. they have been around for a 1000 years, but we are too young to die.

leftism is a mental disorder and a plague on normal people.
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Look at social medicine in the UK. They have around 80 million and around 12,000 starve or dehydrate from lack of care in hospitals. We have around 350 million people. Imagine socialized medicine with this many people.
 Quoting: sonic doom


it is going to be very scary.

i do believe that when it first started that teh british system worked quite well and was truly something to be proud of, but as it has gone on and the amount of immigrants who have never paid into the system has crashed it.

something has to give and as the government tries to cut costs, the quality of care has to suffer. we may still have enough of our system left to make it, but our kids won't. how sad.
 Quoting: davvi


That's what eats me up inside. I worry about the bill my kids are going to have to pick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


in 30 or 40 years we will be europe and all that means, none of which is good. they have been around for a 1000 years, but we are too young to die.

leftism is a mental disorder and a plague on normal people.
 Quoting: davvi


That leaves us over the death panel number. Oh well hf
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it is going to be very scary.

i do believe that when it first started that teh british system worked quite well and was truly something to be proud of, but as it has gone on and the amount of immigrants who have never paid into the system has crashed it.

something has to give and as the government tries to cut costs, the quality of care has to suffer. we may still have enough of our system left to make it, but our kids won't. how sad.
 Quoting: davvi


That's what eats me up inside. I worry about the bill my kids are going to have to pick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


in 30 or 40 years we will be europe and all that means, none of which is good. they have been around for a 1000 years, but we are too young to die.

leftism is a mental disorder and a plague on normal people.
 Quoting: davvi


That leaves us over the death panel number. Oh well hf
 Quoting: sonic doom


oops lol posted without writing anything.

can you imagine the kind of ghouls sitting on these death panels?

i see nurse rachet/dr. kovorkian/dr. Josef Mengele types especially chosen by nancy pelosi.

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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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Dont be all butt hurt because you got called out on your shitty healthcare, it's not like we made fun of your rotten tooth.
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nailed it
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That's what eats me up inside. I worry about the bill my kids are going to have to pick.
 Quoting: sonic doom


in 30 or 40 years we will be europe and all that means, none of which is good. they have been around for a 1000 years, but we are too young to die.

leftism is a mental disorder and a plague on normal people.
 Quoting: davvi


That leaves us over the death panel number. Oh well hf
 Quoting: sonic doom


oops lol posted without writing anything.

can you imagine the kind of ghouls sitting on these death panels?

i see nurse rachet/dr. kovorkian/dr. Josef Mengele types especially chosen by nancy pelosi.
 Quoting: davvi


chills the blood just thinking about the monsters
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in 30 or 40 years we will be europe and all that means, none of which is good. they have been around for a 1000 years, but we are too young to die.

leftism is a mental disorder and a plague on normal people.
 Quoting: davvi


That leaves us over the death panel number. Oh well hf
 Quoting: sonic doom


oops lol posted without writing anything.

can you imagine the kind of ghouls sitting on these death panels?

i see nurse rachet/dr. kovorkian/dr. Josef Mengele types especially chosen by nancy pelosi.
 Quoting: davvi


chills the blood just thinking about the monsters
 Quoting: s. d. butler


pelosi, reid, clinton, all of them creep me out. why is it that they have exempted themselves from this great "care" we are going to get??? is chelsea exempt too?
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OP is a typical uneducated American. No sense, no intelligence, just purely uneducated.

Both my brothers are doctors and the NHS has saved tens of millions of lives. How would the average person be able to afford a £110,000 operation? Have you thought about that? No? What a surprise!

Maybe if you stopped attacking Muslims and countries who have actual health care systems you might wake up and see how your nation is literally crumbling around you.
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From all indication, Brittains Health Care is so bad because the new world order antichrist beast and illuminuti bankers are ruling Brittain and killing as many of its people as they can!! These are very Satanic eugenicist who want to illeviate about 5 billion people from off of the planet. And it gives them great evil comfort to know that their doctors are working with them in doing this. First, they will kill as many elderly people as they can. And then they will continue to bring down the population through wars and diseases and so forth!! But the Almighty God of Heaven and His angels see everything; and their tormentings for their mass murdering genocides will cause them to be plagued and then defeated and thrown into the great lake of fire and brimstone!!
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thank you thumbs

commentst after the article were interesting, a couple from canadians:

"Canada's health care system literally does not care about you once you turn 80."

"as one of the few Canadians opposed to universal healthcare and gun control I can tell you socialized medicine is a big fat cash cow,its inefficiency leaves you waiting for hours in the emergency room also it drives up your taxes income and retail, as for gun control at least we scrapped our gun registry"

when we were having the "debate" i read an article about canadians who come to the US for care and they begged us not to allow socialized medicine in the US as they didn't know where they would go for care. oh boy what a mess.
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How many Americans die because they just cant afford treatment or surgery for a treatment? it must run into the tens of thousands..

At least in the UK you will always get the surgery or treatment even if you have to wait a while...and if it requires emergency treatment you will get it right away...
 Quoting: LosTLocos


I have NEVER heard of anyone denied treatment.
You go to the emergency room, you are in.

You may be billed, but our local level 4 trauma center does NOT turn anyone away, ever.

And you will get good care.

Having said that, I am someone who has worked in both nursing homes and hospitals here and in Germany.

There is no question whatsover in my mind that any sane
person avoids hospitals if they can,

but if you need care,
AMERICAN CARE IS VASTLY SUPERIOR.
 Quoting: beeches

And no family needs to leave their home because of one family members illness?
 Quoting: Libra II 1001450


They need to leave their homes in ANY country due to illness, of course they do.

If your family breadwinner is unable to work because of illness, you will need to live A LOT cheaper, whether you live in America OR Denmark OR Germany.
Unless of course you are already living on the dole, then of course it does not matter.

If you are already living in a subsidized flat before you become ill, then maybe you may not have to move.

But hey, the German system of subsidized housing would boot you out if your spouse died,

and you no longer needed a subsidized flat for 2 people, but only 1.

Would you rather have to move because your husband is ill and can no longer afford to pay the mortgage on your current house,

Or have him die, and be required to move to a smaller subsidized apartment or flat?

I would rather see people live.
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


In order for statistics to be a valid indicator, the same criteria must b used across the board and not the total using the criteria of each country.

Infant mortality figures for US are misleading

This is a misleading statistic as Dr. Linda Halderman explains:

Low birth weight infants are not counted against the "live birth" statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies - considered "unsalvageable" outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive - is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.

More statistics and rest of article:
[link to www.americanthinker.com]

Also, consider the statistics of children after the first 24 hours of life in the United Kingdom:

Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Says a lot, really
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


In order for statistics to be a valid indicator, the same criteria must b used across the board and not the total using the criteria of each country.

Infant mortality figures for US are misleading

This is a misleading statistic as Dr. Linda Halderman explains:

Low birth weight infants are not counted against the "live birth" statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies - considered "unsalvageable" outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive - is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.

More statistics and rest of article:
[link to www.americanthinker.com]

Also, consider the statistics of children after the first 24 hours of life in the United Kingdom:

Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Says a lot, really
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I plan on dying standing on my feet. rather than in some bed or on my knees.

fuck it life is short.
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U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
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We probably lead the world in crack babies. That's not the medical system's fault.
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You assume a gradual increased killoff isn't someone's plan...?

As for the system, I've heard similar things before. And yeah, it's a pretty big fault HOWEVER, it's not an exact problem of that type of medical system itself, it's a problem of FUNDING for a medical system like that. When you cut and cut and cut and (you get the picture) an already low-funded system like this, it will inevitably lead to all the problems you listed (not enough staff, exhausted staff, poorly paid staff, not enough actual medical buildings). Properly funded and staffed? They could be something beautiful. But well yeah, THAT ain't ever going to happen is it?

Also, as far as I am aware, just because there's "mass standardized health care" for those with little money, this doesn't shut down/get rid of private healthcare, does it? Or am I missing information that screws those over who are private? Anyone?
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I plan on dying standing on my feet. rather than in some bed or on my knees.

fuck it life is short.
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Excerpts from an editorial I wrote for the Delaware Voice from Sept. 29. 2009. From the NewsJournal newspaper in Delaware:


I'd rather be sick in America than anywhere else



. . When Americans hear that all other industrialized nations have universal health care, we imagine that they have care like ours available to all. This is not true. Germany's free-enterprise system makes Mercedes and BMW, but their socialized health care looked like this:

As a brand-new LPN, I worked in a German nursing home. I was the ENTIRE night shift. I had more than 100 patients and no aides. I repeat: no aides. There was a registered nurse on call for emergencies. How much care do you think one body can provide for 100 patients, with dozens quite sick?
In a Wilmington, DE nursing home, I had 25 or so patients at night with 2 to 4 aides. There were RNs in the building and doctors on call around the clock.

Where would you rather have your parent?

At another German nursing home, Frau Schneider was my favorite patient. She was ancient but spry and completely alert.
She had the first grand mal seizure I had ever seen. I ran for help. The response was, " She's so old, what do you want? Let it be."
No set of vitals, no checking her care plan, no adjusting her anti-seizure drug levels.
The message was to shut the door and let it go.
. . .

Germany's universal care is the world's oldest, started by the "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck in 1883. My German nursing instructor emphasized that his motivation was military and political. Bismarck wanted healthier soldiers for Germany's armies.
People cite statistics to show how bad American health care is.
But outcome statistics don't tell much.
Utah has a 6% diabetes rate, according to White House information.
Nevada's rate is 9%. That is a huge difference.
Utah's citizens have the lowest rates of drinking and smoking in the nation.
Behavior, NOT reform, is key.
if mighty oaks are the king of the forest, beeches are surely its queen.
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Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


In order for statistics to be a valid indicator, the same criteria must b used across the board and not the total using the criteria of each country.

Infant mortality figures for US are misleading

This is a misleading statistic as Dr. Linda Halderman explains:

Low birth weight infants are not counted against the "live birth" statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies - considered "unsalvageable" outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive - is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.

More statistics and rest of article:
[link to www.americanthinker.com]

Also, consider the statistics of children after the first 24 hours of life in the United Kingdom:

Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Says a lot, really
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thank you for that information. i understand that people young and old are on death paths and their families aren't even aware of that fact.
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I plan on dying standing on my feet. rather than in some bed or on my knees.

fuck it life is short.
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Hahahaha...i said that once about the Palastinians.
then got banned.
LOL LOL LOL
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Yeah, I would rather pay shitloads for medical insurence so when I need it I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get covered, then have to pay $200 a week for the medication.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!
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Yeah, I would rather pay shitloads for medical insurence so when I need it I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get covered, then have to pay $200 a week for the medication.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!
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you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
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