Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,188 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 2,091,901
Pageviews Today: 2,764,215Threads Today: 611Posts Today: 12,518
08:50 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans

 
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 10:45 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Excerpts from an editorial I wrote for the Delaware Voice from Sept. 29. 2009. From the NewsJournal newspaper in Delaware:


I'd rather be sick in America than anywhere else



. . When Americans hear that all other industrialized nations have universal health care, we imagine that they have care like ours available to all. This is not true. Germany's free-enterprise system makes Mercedes and BMW, but their socialized health care looked like this:

As a brand-new LPN, I worked in a German nursing home. I was the ENTIRE night shift. I had more than 100 patients and no aides. I repeat: no aides. There was a registered nurse on call for emergencies. How much care do you think one body can provide for 100 patients, with dozens quite sick?
In a Wilmington, DE nursing home, I had 25 or so patients at night with 2 to 4 aides. There were RNs in the building and doctors on call around the clock.

Where would you rather have your parent?

At another German nursing home, Frau Schneider was my favorite patient. She was ancient but spry and completely alert.
She had the first grand mal seizure I had ever seen. I ran for help. The response was, " She's so old, what do you want? Let it be."
No set of vitals, no checking her care plan, no adjusting her anti-seizure drug levels.
The message was to shut the door and let it go.
. . .

Germany's universal care is the world's oldest, started by the "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck in 1883. My German nursing instructor emphasized that his motivation was military and political. Bismarck wanted healthier soldiers for Germany's armies.
People cite statistics to show how bad American health care is.
But outcome statistics don't tell much.
Utah has a 6% diabetes rate, according to White House information.
Nevada's rate is 9%. That is a huge difference.
Utah's citizens have the lowest rates of drinking and smoking in the nation.
Behavior, NOT reform, is key.
 Quoting: beeches


clappa excellent.
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1310035
New Zealand
01/03/2013 10:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Yeah, I would rather pay shitloads for medical insurence so when I need it I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get covered, then have to pay $200 a week for the medication.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 10:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Yeah, I would rather pay shitloads for medical insurence so when I need it I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get covered, then have to pay $200 a week for the medication.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
SilverPatriot

User ID: 10518597
United States
01/03/2013 10:51 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says.
The United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found
[link to articles.cnn.com]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19347441


In order for statistics to be a valid indicator, the same criteria must b used across the board and not the total using the criteria of each country.

Infant mortality figures for US are misleading

This is a misleading statistic as Dr. Linda Halderman explains:

Low birth weight infants are not counted against the "live birth" statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies - considered "unsalvageable" outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive - is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.

More statistics and rest of article:
[link to www.americanthinker.com]

Also, consider the statistics of children after the first 24 hours of life in the United Kingdom:

Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Says a lot, really
 Quoting: SilverPatriot



watch it folks...this ones^ not to be trusted.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31452013


Why there government kept pet, are you having problems comprehending what you are reading should I explain by breaking the articles down for you and present it like baby pabulum?

Last Edited by SilverPatriot on 01/03/2013 10:52 PM
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 10:52 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Yeah, I would rather pay shitloads for medical insurence so when I need it I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get covered, then have to pay $200 a week for the medication.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 10:54 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Yeah, I would rather pay shitloads for medical insurence so when I need it I have to fight them tooth and nail just to get covered, then have to pay $200 a week for the medication.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 10:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1310035
New Zealand
01/03/2013 10:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop making a fool of yourself. there's a good lad...:shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


And what makes that any different than countrys that have their heath insurence part of thier income tax, why would paying it in a different way kill more people??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 10:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
when you got to start deleting posts from the thread, you've already lost.
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 11:01 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


if you lose your job there is this thing called COBRA which allows you to pay a small fee to keep your present health coverage. because you choose to be slaves to a state doesn't mean it is right for us.

Last Edited by davvi on 01/03/2013 11:02 PM
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 11:03 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
when you got to start deleting posts from the thread, you've already lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


no awipe, when you start abusing other posters on a thread i remove them regrdless of what they say. PS when you have nothing but abuse you HAVE lost.
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 11:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


if you lose your job there is this thing called COBRA which allows you to pay a small fee to keep your present health coverage. because you choose to be slaves to a state doesn't mean it is right for us.
 Quoting: davvi


poppycock and horseshit.....healthcare for all is not about being a slave you dumbass...it's about looking after your brethen.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 11:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
when you got to start deleting posts from the thread, you've already lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


no awipe, when you start abusing other posters on a thread i remove them regrdless of what they say. PS when you have nothing but abuse you HAVE lost.
 Quoting: davvi


cool story bro.
i've seen you posting abuse at AC's in heaps of threads.
lmao what a hypocrite!
beeches

User ID: 28167778
United States
01/03/2013 11:05 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Excerpts from an editorial I wrote for the Delaware Voice from Sept. 29. 2009. From the NewsJournal newspaper in Delaware:


I'd rather be sick in America than anywhere else



. . When Americans hear that all other industrialized nations have universal health care, we imagine that they have care like ours available to all. This is not true. Germany's free-enterprise system makes Mercedes and BMW, but their socialized health care looked like this:

As a brand-new LPN, I worked in a German nursing home. I was the ENTIRE night shift. I had more than 100 patients and no aides. I repeat: no aides. There was a registered nurse on call for emergencies. How much care do you think one body can provide for 100 patients, with dozens quite sick?
In a Wilmington, DE nursing home, I had 25 or so patients at night with 2 to 4 aides. There were RNs in the building and doctors on call around the clock.

Where would you rather have your parent?

At another German nursing home, Frau Schneider was my favorite patient. She was ancient but spry and completely alert.
She had the first grand mal seizure I had ever seen. I ran for help. The response was, " She's so old, what do you want? Let it be."
No set of vitals, no checking her care plan, no adjusting her anti-seizure drug levels.
The message was to shut the door and let it go.
. . .

Germany's universal care is the world's oldest, started by the "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck in 1883. My German nursing instructor emphasized that his motivation was military and political. Bismarck wanted healthier soldiers for Germany's armies.
People cite statistics to show how bad American health care is.
But outcome statistics don't tell much.
Utah has a 6% diabetes rate, according to White House information.
Nevada's rate is 9%. That is a huge difference.
Utah's citizens have the lowest rates of drinking and smoking in the nation.
Behavior, NOT reform, is key.
 Quoting: beeches


clappa excellent.
 Quoting: davvi


Thanks, Davvi!
Let me tell you the sequel to this editorial appearing.

My dad was gravely ill. The social workers at a local hospital were helping to plan his discharge care.

I call the social worker to return a phone message and left my name.
She called back, are you the woman that wrote that article a few months back about health care?
Not knowing what to expect, I said yes.

She told me her colleagues were in agreement with my views and they posted the article on the bulletin board in the break room.

now THAT surprised me - but it made me happy too.

My father did die shortly after this - but in a nursing home that let his family watch with him around the clock.
They provided food to us, I still feel in their debt for their care.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good life.
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 11:06 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


if you lose your job there is this thing called COBRA which allows you to pay a small fee to keep your present health coverage. because you choose to be slaves to a state doesn't mean it is right for us.
 Quoting: davvi


poppycock and horseshit.....healthcare for all is not about being a slave you dumbass...it's about looking after your brethen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


how stupid are you? my brethren? lol yea right i already pay for my "brethren" which shows how little you understand about my country.

do you honestly think that this government does stuff for altruistic motives? duh.
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
gebahie

User ID: 10118097
United States
01/03/2013 11:06 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
I have a vid the kills a lot more people...


davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 11:08 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Excerpts from an editorial I wrote for the Delaware Voice from Sept. 29. 2009. From the NewsJournal newspaper in Delaware:


I'd rather be sick in America than anywhere else



. . When Americans hear that all other industrialized nations have universal health care, we imagine that they have care like ours available to all. This is not true. Germany's free-enterprise system makes Mercedes and BMW, but their socialized health care looked like this:

As a brand-new LPN, I worked in a German nursing home. I was the ENTIRE night shift. I had more than 100 patients and no aides. I repeat: no aides. There was a registered nurse on call for emergencies. How much care do you think one body can provide for 100 patients, with dozens quite sick?
In a Wilmington, DE nursing home, I had 25 or so patients at night with 2 to 4 aides. There were RNs in the building and doctors on call around the clock.

Where would you rather have your parent?

At another German nursing home, Frau Schneider was my favorite patient. She was ancient but spry and completely alert.
She had the first grand mal seizure I had ever seen. I ran for help. The response was, " She's so old, what do you want? Let it be."
No set of vitals, no checking her care plan, no adjusting her anti-seizure drug levels.
The message was to shut the door and let it go.
. . .

Germany's universal care is the world's oldest, started by the "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck in 1883. My German nursing instructor emphasized that his motivation was military and political. Bismarck wanted healthier soldiers for Germany's armies.
People cite statistics to show how bad American health care is.
But outcome statistics don't tell much.
Utah has a 6% diabetes rate, according to White House information.
Nevada's rate is 9%. That is a huge difference.
Utah's citizens have the lowest rates of drinking and smoking in the nation.
Behavior, NOT reform, is key.
 Quoting: beeches


clappa excellent.
 Quoting: davvi


Thanks, Davvi!
Let me tell you the sequel to this editorial appearing.

My dad was gravely ill. The social workers at a local hospital were helping to plan his discharge care.

I call the social worker to return a phone message and left my name.
She called back, are you the woman that wrote that article a few months back about health care?
Not knowing what to expect, I said yes.

She told me her colleagues were in agreement with my views and they posted the article on the bulletin board in the break room.

now THAT surprised me - but it made me happy too.

My father did die shortly after this - but in a nursing home that let his family watch with him around the clock.
They provided food to us, I still feel in their debt for their care.
 Quoting: beeches


beeches, i am sorry for your loss, but very happy that his last moments were surround by love and good care.

great article and good sense always makes an impression. hf
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
davvi (OP)
Merry Christmas!

User ID: 3677166
United States
01/03/2013 11:11 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
when you got to start deleting posts from the thread, you've already lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


no awipe, when you start abusing other posters on a thread i remove them regrdless of what they say. PS when you have nothing but abuse you HAVE lost.
 Quoting: davvi


cool story bro.
i've seen you posting abuse at AC's in heaps of threads.
lmao what a hypocrite!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


no you haven't. :shutit8:
12-2 HH

A Jewish mother dreams that her son will grow up to be a doctor or, if retarded, a lawyer." --Jackie Mason

I never give RED karma, only GREEN for great posters. If you give me red or green please leave your name, I like to say thank you...

The history of Jewish holidays can be summed up easily: "They tried to kill us; we won, lets eat!"

In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 11:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


if you lose your job there is this thing called COBRA which allows you to pay a small fee to keep your present health coverage. because you choose to be slaves to a state doesn't mean it is right for us.
 Quoting: davvi


poppycock and horseshit.....healthcare for all is not about being a slave you dumbass...it's about looking after your brethen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


how stupid are you? my brethren? lol yea right i already pay for my "brethren" which shows how little you understand about my country.

do you honestly think that this government does stuff for altruistic motives? duh.
 Quoting: davvi


taxes are also required to maintain the army...you got no problem with that but have a problem with healthcare for all..lol..lol...you're a thoughtless fucktard aren't you.

you engage in hypocricy by defending it.
Have a nice day. hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31457517
Australia
01/03/2013 11:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
when you got to start deleting posts from the thread, you've already lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


no awipe, when you start abusing other posters on a thread i remove them regrdless of what they say. PS when you have nothing but abuse you HAVE lost.
 Quoting: davvi


cool story bro.
i've seen you posting abuse at AC's in heaps of threads.
lmao what a hypocrite!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


no you haven't. :shutit8:
 Quoting: davvi


really?

your karma is proof.
Skin Suit

User ID: 22870849
United States
01/03/2013 11:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
except for broken bones and surgeries, hospitals don't do shit for people.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 27526740
United States
01/03/2013 11:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


if you lose your job there is this thing called COBRA which allows you to pay a small fee to keep your present health coverage. because you choose to be slaves to a state doesn't mean it is right for us.
 Quoting: davvi


LOLOLOL... a small fee?

You think $600-$800 a month is a small fee to someone who just LOST THEIR JOB.

Jesus Henry Christ, stop talking.
Joker

User ID: 1437768
United States
01/03/2013 11:24 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


if you lose your job there is this thing called COBRA which allows you to pay a small fee to keep your present health coverage. because you choose to be slaves to a state doesn't mean it is right for us.
 Quoting: davvi


LOLOLOL... a small fee?

You think $600-$800 a month is a small fee to someone who just LOST THEIR JOB.

Jesus Henry Christ, stop talking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27526740


He's a knot head that never had to pay for cobra.
Truth is we will soon know how worthless this obama care is. So other countries can shut the fuck up. I hope obama fans will be so happy in a few years.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3001833
United States
01/03/2013 11:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
bump


Anything run by the government is going to be a major disaster in the first place but when it's life and death, this has to be the inevitable result.
 Quoting: Bluebird


thank you thumbs

commentst after the article were interesting, a couple from canadians:

"Canada's health care system literally does not care about you once you turn 80."

"as one of the few Canadians opposed to universal healthcare and gun control I can tell you socialized medicine is a big fat cash cow,its inefficiency leaves you waiting for hours in the emergency room also it drives up your taxes income and retail, as for gun control at least we scrapped our gun registry"

when we were having the "debate" i read an article about canadians who come to the US for care and they begged us not to allow socialized medicine in the US as they didn't know where they would go for care. oh boy what a mess.
 Quoting: davvi


How many Americans die because they just cant afford treatment or surgery for a treatment? it must run into the tens of thousands..

At least in the UK you will always get the surgery or treatment even if you have to wait a while...and if it requires emergency treatment you will get it right away...
 Quoting: LosTLocos


I have NEVER heard of anyone denied treatment.
You go to the emergency room, you are in.

You may be billed, but our local level 4 trauma center does NOT turn anyone away, ever.

And you will get good care.

Having said that, I am someone who has worked in both nursing homes and hospitals here and in Germany.

There is no question whatsover in my mind that any sane
person avoids hospitals if they can,

but if you need care,
AMERICAN CARE IS VASTLY SUPERIOR.
 Quoting: beeches


Plus there is state Medicaid for people who need care and can't pay for it. It is unheard of that people are dying in the US for lack of care. Where they are dying is in britain. Worst case I've read of in GB and still haunts me, was a woman who went in for surgery, was put on no food or liquids prior to surgery, but they kept postponing surgery, and kept her off food and water day after day, waiting for surgery. She was in such a dehydrated and weakened condition by the time the finally operated that she died, 7 day I think it was. There is no excuse except pure evil that such a thing happened, and think of how she suffered and no one cared.
SilverPatriot

User ID: 10518597
United States
01/04/2013 12:09 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


wait, so your covered uncoditionally in America for ANY sickness or injury and medication is free??

What did I get wrong??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310035


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


Here is some research I did for my brother after he lost his job and required medical assistance prior to obama’s deathcare oops I meant healthcare. He never bothered to seek care before problems arose in spite of free clinics in his town thus he had several stokes and now 9 months later still hospitalized and given Medicaid.

Please do some research on religious non-profit organizations that help millions of children and people such as the Shriners? These non profit organizations blow away the metered care obamacare and metered care of socialist countries as they provide room and board for parents and significant others along with travel arrangements.

Thus your rant is mired in nonsense thus serious facepalm to you.

Free & Income Based Clinics in Orange County, New York
[link to www.freemedicalsearch.org]

Free & Income Based Clinics in Orange County, New York
[link to www.freedentalcare.us]
s. d. butler

User ID: 974819
United States
01/04/2013 03:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
...


you didn't.

actually you PWNED the OP bigtime 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


not at all.

as i said above:

i get my health insurance from my job. and yes i get medication, if i need it, dental and eyeglasses too. i pay co payment of 20 dollars per office visit and 75 dollars for any hospital visit. fortunately all i need is a cleaning at the dentist twice a year and since i don't wear glasses all i get is an eye exam every two years.

:ytfaus:
 Quoting: davvi


yeah.....what about the millions of Americans who don't have jobs eh???


Healthcare for ALL is something most 1st world countries implemented AGES ago without govt. falling into finacial ruin.

serious facepalm to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31457517


Here is some research I did for my brother after he lost his job and required medical assistance prior to obama’s deathcare oops I meant healthcare. He never bothered to seek care before problems arose in spite of free clinics in his town thus he had several stokes and now 9 months later still hospitalized and given Medicaid.

Please do some research on religious non-profit organizations that help millions of children and people such as the Shriners? These non profit organizations blow away the metered care obamacare and metered care of socialist countries as they provide room and board for parents and significant others along with travel arrangements.

Thus your rant is mired in nonsense thus serious facepalm to you.

Free & Income Based Clinics in Orange County, New York
[link to www.freemedicalsearch.org]

Free & Income Based Clinics in Orange County, New York
[link to www.freedentalcare.us]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Non government health care will always be better. By an order of magnitude. Gubmint can't stand competition.
beeches

User ID: 28167778
United States
01/04/2013 06:32 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Excerpts from an editorial I wrote for the Delaware Voice from Sept. 29. 2009. From the NewsJournal newspaper in Delaware:


I'd rather be sick in America than anywhere else



. . When Americans hear that all other industrialized nations have universal health care, we imagine that they have care like ours available to all. This is not true. Germany's free-enterprise system makes Mercedes and BMW, but their socialized health care looked like this:

As a brand-new LPN, I worked in a German nursing home. I was the ENTIRE night shift. I had more than 100 patients and no aides. I repeat: no aides. There was a registered nurse on call for emergencies. How much care do you think one body can provide for 100 patients, with dozens quite sick?
In a Wilmington, DE nursing home, I had 25 or so patients at night with 2 to 4 aides. There were RNs in the building and doctors on call around the clock.

Where would you rather have your parent?

At another German nursing home, Frau Schneider was my favorite patient. She was ancient but spry and completely alert.
She had the first grand mal seizure I had ever seen. I ran for help. The response was, " She's so old, what do you want? Let it be."
No set of vitals, no checking her care plan, no adjusting her anti-seizure drug levels.
The message was to shut the door and let it go.
. . .

Germany's universal care is the world's oldest, started by the "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck in 1883. My German nursing instructor emphasized that his motivation was military and political. Bismarck wanted healthier soldiers for Germany's armies.
People cite statistics to show how bad American health care is.
But outcome statistics don't tell much.
Utah has a 6% diabetes rate, according to White House information.
Nevada's rate is 9%. That is a huge difference.
Utah's citizens have the lowest rates of drinking and smoking in the nation.
Behavior, NOT reform, is key.
 Quoting: beeches


clappa excellent.
 Quoting: davvi


Thanks, Davvi!
Let me tell you the sequel to this editorial appearing.

My dad was gravely ill. The social workers at a local hospital were helping to plan his discharge care.

I call the social worker to return a phone message and left my name.
She called back, are you the woman that wrote that article a few months back about health care?
Not knowing what to expect, I said yes.

She told me her colleagues were in agreement with my views and they posted the article on the bulletin board in the break room.

now THAT surprised me - but it made me happy too.

My father did die shortly after this - but in a nursing home that let his family watch with him around the clock.
They provided food to us, I still feel in their debt for their care.
 Quoting: beeches


beeches, i am sorry for your loss, but very happy that his last moments were surround by love and good care.

great article and good sense always makes an impression. hf
 Quoting: davvi


thanks davvi - I mean it.

My dad is in a good spot.

You are right, to be able to be with him at death, given a quiet space where he was not in pain, when caring for him at home had proven to be not possible -
well it puts life into perspective.
Your parents are there when you are born, and often we are there for them when they die.

Caring for the aged sick in dignity is also part of the
4th Commandment -
Honor your father and mother, that it may go well for you in the land.

Have a good day today!
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good life.
F F S

User ID: 1430651
United Kingdom
01/04/2013 06:44 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
If you are stupid enough to use the system you have to appreciate that this might happen.

The NHS has killed both my Nan's, my Dad, prpobably 1 of 2 Grandads and has also had a go at my wife and brother in law, do i trust them, do i fuck, would i use the NHS, would i fuck. Obarmy care you lot are fucked
 Quoting: F F S


The level of stupidity here is almost off the scale.

What did they die from, if I might ask? I am willing to bet that in the United States they would have died from the same illness.. possibly sooner if they didn't have insurance or the money to pay. In addition, after passing away you would be on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical costs.

Get lost, idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27526740


So knowing nothing you have the temerity to to tell me to get lost, idiot. You are the idiot, MRSA for both Nan's. Piss poor care for cancer of the osoephegus and wrong treatment for my Dad. Not bothering looking for causes of illness and because of the fucking tick box mentality re my brother in law andd Wife, you fucking waste of space.

Wife had galstones had them for years, but the NHS kept saying IBS, wouldn't do any tests, took her to almost die in casualty before some half wit decided that a test might be in order.

Brother in law, sick for ages, NHS kept saying similar thing, refused to carry out more tests saying it was in his head. Went on holiday and got ill, went to a docs in Turkey and diagnosed with a parasite within 2 hours (after 5 months NHS care).

So still think they would have died in the US or Canada, fuck wit ?
Amadan
User ID: 31509427
United Kingdom
01/04/2013 06:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
In 2011, 8,583 Americans were killed with firearms. Meanwhile in the UK, the National Health Service is killing 1,000 people a month or 12,000 a year.
 Quoting: davvi


The equivalent number for the US -mortality amendable to health care- is 286 500 people per year. Or 23 875 people per month.

[link to www.commonwealthfund.org]

The problem with immediatly rushing out anything considered a scandal in European health care is that it is still frequently better than the best the US can do.

Adjusting for population size, in this case almost exactly four times better.
Amadan
User ID: 31509427
United Kingdom
01/04/2013 06:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Government Health Care Kills More Brits Than Guns Kill Americans
Low birth weight infants are not counted against the "live birth" statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies - considered "unsalvageable" outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive - is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


I don't think people here understand how infant mortality is calculated, and rightwing blogs are not exactly a good source for it. Infant mortality is the sum of two stats- neonaltal and perinatal mortality. Perinatal mortality is deaths between 28 weeks of gestation and birth, while neonatal is deaths within the first 28 days of birth.

If you register more losses as live births, your perinatal rate drops with the same number. The total number of deceased remains the same no matter which of the two categoiries you register them in.

The US, in fact, have poor stats in both perinatal and neonatal mortality. Much like under-5 mortality. Or maternal mortality. It is pretty hard to fiddle "mother was alive on leaving hospital" and "mother died in hospital".

If we rank nations for these scores -mothers who didn't survive birth, infant mortality, amendable mortality, etc- the US ends up in pretty much the same spot on each ranking. Low 30s. Ahead of the third world but behind most of the first. We can use a lot of other stats too: Number of years in good health, number of years lost to ill health, lifespan, etc, etc. The US ends up in the low 30s.

We can therefore assert with some confidence that the US is in fact, somewhere in the low 30s in terms of health care performance.

News