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An archon's ability to manifest depends on a few things... is it based on an actual historical figure? Are images of that figure (be it actual or false depiction) widely distributed throughout a given culture?
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Based on this, I can further show why this assumption is false, and not related archon manipulation.

After examining multiple accounts, not only of the ones mentioned in this post, the description of Jesus, including very specific details, are very similar.

And there's something very unique, that's not typical of most paintings / depictions. I may elaborate on this later.
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OP, how do you 'interpret' this story?

There is also the story of Shiva who appeared to a Hindu. This Hindu, a man, prayed to Shiva all his live and his wish was to follow Shiva with all his heart. One Night, Shiva appeared to this man and told him that he must convert to Christianity and that he shall be baptized. The man was completely flabbergasted by Shivas wish but followed it and eventually became a baptized christian, a follower of Jesus.
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Some are meant to be spiritual & some are meant to be religious. Depends on what the soul is ready for, and what it may not be ready for.

No use chasing something that is not meant to be you, there are lessons to be learned before one advances.
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I agree. Christians in their - excuse me - 'ignorance', will of course try to deny such events like the hindu man visited by shiva with utter restraint, cause we all - christians or non-christians - know what this would mean :)

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Hey OP I dare you to read these Muslim NDE experiences in which they go to Jannah (Islamic version of heaven) and don't see Jesus telling them to convert to the hypocritical organization known as Christianity but they see Allah and meet there 72 virgins.

[link to near-death.com]

This website has thousand of other NDE experiences which people judge their own lives and see God's such as Zeus Odin, Loki, Thor, Thoth , Poseidon etc there experience isn't any less valid than these experiences are. I bet you won't read it though.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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GODDAMN nothing but fucking card carrying republican and christ-tard threads pinned on GLP today, WHAT THE FUCK happened to this place? it's sad, so many little sheeple in the world who believe in the fairy tale that is the bible and the GOP party platform...I'm out gonna go get laid or something...enjoy your fantasy lives boys where some 2000 year old dead dude saves your soul and John Boehner saves your economy, ha made myself laugh there!

late!
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don't be stupid, pinned threads are here only to distract attention of occasional visitors from real thing, everybody knows that
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Based on this, I can further show why this assumption is false, and not related archon manipulation.

After examining multiple accounts, not only of the ones mentioned in this post, the description of Jesus, including very specific details, are very similar.

And there's something very unique, that's not typical of most paintings / depictions. I may elaborate on this later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31255288


OP, how do you 'interpret' this story?

There is also the story of Shiva who appeared to a Hindu. This Hindu, a man, prayed to Shiva all his live and his wish was to follow Shiva with all his heart. One Night, Shiva appeared to this man and told him that he must convert to Christianity and that he shall be baptized. The man was completely flabbergasted by Shivas wish but followed it and eventually became a baptized christian, a follower of Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9401665


Before I would even believe this 'story'. I would like to hear, more accounts of Shiva appearing to other Hindus and telling them to join Christianity.

More accounts, of this would give it greater weight.

Even then, there's much more that I examine, before more seriously considering the account.
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Yes sure. Thank you for your reply.

Namaste
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9401665


That still sounds intriguing, do you have the link to the story.

He stated Shiva appeared to him, could he have mistaken 'Shiva' perhaps for an angel?
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Sceptics do not need evidence.

If there is a possiblity of fraud, however remote, then this proofs the sceptic that it must be fraud.
 Quoting: niphtrique


Are you a skeptic of reincarnation
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


This was addressed in another thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31255288


Sigh... Skeptics do not need evidence.

If there is a possibility of fraud, however remote, then this proofs the skeptic that it must be fraud..
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


There is really no magic.

The concept of a soul that exists apart from the body has been accepted by almost all religions and near death experiences seem to indicate that spirit and body are separate. The existence of reincarnation is disputed by Christianity and Islam. Most people do not remember a previous life and it is not possible to find conclusive scientific proof for the existence of reincarnation. Dr. Ian Stevenson did extensive scientific research into the subject, and his studies indicate the existence of reincarnation.

[link to reluctant-messenger.com]

After reincarnating most people begin afresh as a blank page. Someone who is Jewish now may have been an SS officer in a concentration camp before. A black man who is blaming the whites for his situation, may once have been a white slave trader. A Klux Klux Clan member hating blacks may have been black before. A young Palestinian may have been a Jewish settler previously. There is no evidence of spiritual growth after reincarnation. Reincarnation is not more than recycling a process thread in a virtual reality. Past memories can even be made available by The Programme to arbitrary persons, making it seem reincarnation.

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Funny how none of us knows how Jesus really looked and for all we know these people could have seen a deception from 'Satan' or they could have schizophrenia or frequent hallucinations.I say the latter is the most probable either this or its a deception.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You posted that you joined Islam here.

I have just joined Islam so I don't know that much yet
Thread: The titles of Jesus in Islam

This is why you feel then these encounters with Jesus is a Satanic deception, or a hallucination.

Have you considered maybe Muslims have been deceived.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31255288


Muslim's believe in Jesus to be the Messiah.
Anyway the fact is none of us knows how Jesus actually looked so none of us can say we have seen Jesus because that could very well be a deception from "Satan" based on how we imagine Jesus would look and I'm going with either this is a deception or these people are schizophrenic or have frequent hallucinations. A simple test to see if what these people experience were real is to ask these people to draw a picture of this "Jesus" they had seen I am sure all of them would be very different.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

 Quoting: Aleph Tav


But the Islam Jesus is not the Jesus of the Christians. Islam teaches Jesus (upon his return) will live for several years, marry, have children and will be buried in Medina.

This is in stark contast to the Bible's fortelling He will return as Lord (in the flesh - but not corruptable) and reign over all the earth, forever.
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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listening to vids now.

bump to put in active threads

hf
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Hey OP I dare you to read these Muslim NDE experiences in which they go to Jannah (Islamic version of heaven) and don't see Jesus telling them to convert to the hypocritical organization known as Christianity but they see Allah and meet there 72 virgins.

[link to near-death.com]

This website has thousand of other NDE experiences which people judge their own lives and see God's such as Zeus Odin, Loki, Thor, Thoth , Poseidon etc there experience isn't any less valid than these experiences are. I bet you won't read it though.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


When we're talking about NDEs, many factors have to be considered.

1) Did the person come across any veridical info.

2) Nanci Danison, a trial lawyer, discovered an important factor from her own NDe, that these may be based on the person's beliefs. For example, from her account, anything that she thought of, then manifested, similar to a lucid dream.

Hence the reason, verdical info is crucial to consider. To rule out, if the person merely wasn't experiencing something based on imaginations, subconscious beliefs / expectations, etc.
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You posted that you joined Islam here.

I have just joined Islam so I don't know that much yet
Thread: The titles of Jesus in Islam

This is why you feel then these encounters with Jesus is a Satanic deception, or a hallucination.

Have you considered maybe Muslims have been deceived.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31255288


Muslim's believe in Jesus to be the Messiah.
Anyway the fact is none of us knows how Jesus actually looked so none of us can say we have seen Jesus because that could very well be a deception from "Satan" based on how we imagine Jesus would look and I'm going with either this is a deception or these people are schizophrenic or have frequent hallucinations. A simple test to see if what these people experience were real is to ask these people to draw a picture of this "Jesus" they had seen I am sure all of them would be very different.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

 Quoting: Aleph Tav


But the Islam Jesus is not the Jesus of the Christians. Islam teaches Jesus (upon his return) will live for several years, marry, have children and will be buried in Medina.

This is in stark contast to the Bible's fortelling He will return as Lord (in the flesh - but not corruptable) and reign over all the earth, forever.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Sigh...common response but you are wrong

Christians say:

Jesus was "A" messiah in Islam and not "THE" messiah.
Fact : no other character in Islam has the title al-Masih meaning the Messiah.

They say Islam doesn't define "messiah" the way Christianity does.
Fact : The Jews who originally had the concept of "messiah" identified he was going to be a human, which is what Muslims believe.

They say Muslims don't accept Jesus as Messiah because they don't believe he is God
Fact - (refer to previous point)

They say "Isa" of the Koran is not the same as "Jesus" of the english Bible

Fact - Isa in Islam was born of a virgin, is the Messiah and will return to slay the anti-Christ.

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/02/2013 11:16 AM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Satanist describes her encounter with Jesus. Again, not an OBE or NDE.

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I was starting to enjoy the thread until you put this guys mug up. He exagerates and changes stories so much it is ridiculous. I know this because I heard a mans story a man who was dead for three days then came back to life..who told it himself. Then he was put on this Preacher mans show and the preacher totally sensationalized his story and even made parts up to add to it, as if the story the man told was not good enough. It was then that I realized he was a fake and a phony.
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Hey OP I dare you to read these Muslim NDE experiences in which they go to Jannah (Islamic version of heaven) and don't see Jesus telling them to convert to the hypocritical organization known as Christianity but they see Allah and meet there 72 virgins.

[link to near-death.com]

This website has thousand of other NDE experiences which people judge their own lives and see God's such as Zeus Odin, Loki, Thor, Thoth , Poseidon etc there experience isn't any less valid than these experiences are. I bet you won't read it though.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


When we're talking about NDEs, many factors have to be considered.

1) Did the person come across any veridical info.

2) Nanci Danison, a trial lawyer, discovered an important factor from her own NDe, that these may be based on the person's beliefs. For example, from her account, anything that she thought of, then manifested, similar to a lucid dream.

Hence the reason, verdical info is crucial to consider. To rule out, if the person merely wasn't experiencing something based on imaginations, subconscious beliefs / expectations, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31255288


If you did read it then you would see these people did come across veridical information and that it was later verified and this information they couldn't possibly have known by any other means whatsoever
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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listening to vids now.

bump to put in active threads

hf
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To all you who doubt, there are two undeniable pieces of evidence to support the reality of Jesus: the Shroud of Turin and the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The shroud has the exact wounds described in the Passion, real blood, and the image was created by an energy unknown to modern science. You would have to cross a Xerox machine with an atomic bomb just to get close to making an image like that, not including all the other anomalies. The Tilma has an image which also is scientifically inexplicable. The image actually is suspended above the cloth, her eyes contain reflections of as many as 13 people, and it has survived fire, explosions and acid. We cannot recreate these items now, and most definitely they were not forgeries made with antiquated methods.
Research these objects and you will have the proof you always claim to require.
Jesus, Mary, the Holy Spirit, the Father, and the saints are spiritually alive and active. Visit Medjugorje, Holy Love, or any of the other shrines for Mother Mary or the saints, and you will meet more people who have been healed, saved and transformed than you can imagine. Read Gloria Polo's testimony for starters too. You can keep denying they are real but you are just deluding yourself, and missing out on the amazing love and peace you can share with the Lord (many Christians likewise are missing out on the love of Mary and the saints). You could never take your eyes off the ground, and argue all day that there is no sky, but you would be the one living in ignorance. It is beyond our scope of understanding to know why the story has unfolded this way, but that is the reality. The true followers of Jesus are praying every day for man to overcome his demons, for goodness to be shared even with those who are against us. What are you doing? Just criticising those who do? Blaming a billion Christians for what a few fallen priests or ministers have done wrong? Doubting any supernatural story that involves Jesus? Ignoring real evidence?
I was just like you. I thought I was smarter than any Christian and the Bible. When I met people who did not preach at me, but just shared their experiences with me, I decided to find out where their joy was coming from. I found it in Jesus, and God has taught me a huge lesson in humility. Do the research, meet the people who know, then you will have some standing to make your arguments.
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Satanist describes her encounter with Jesus. Again, not an OBE or NDE.

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I was starting to enjoy the thread until you put this guys mug up. He exagerates and changes stories so much it is ridiculous. I know this because I heard a mans story a man who was dead for three days then came back to life..who told it himself. Then he was put on this Preacher mans show and the preacher totally sensationalized his story and even made parts up to add to it, as if the story the man told was not good enough. It was then that I realized he was a fake and a phony.
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that's because he is a zionist imperialist luciferian shill infiltrating Christian tv. typical.
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Satanist describes her encounter with Jesus. Again, not an OBE or NDE.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31255288


I was starting to enjoy the thread until you put this guys mug up. He exagerates and changes stories so much it is ridiculous. I know this because I heard a mans story a man who was dead for three days then came back to life..who told it himself. Then he was put on this Preacher mans show and the preacher totally sensationalized his story and even made parts up to add to it, as if the story the man told was not good enough. It was then that I realized he was a fake and a phony.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31324982


that's because he is a zionist imperialist luciferian shill infiltrating Christian tv. typical.
 Quoting: Salt


LOL so true Salt..guess that is why I love you. Youre definately honest and to the point.
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Muslim's believe in Jesus to be the Messiah.
Anyway the fact is none of us knows how Jesus actually looked so none of us can say we have seen Jesus because that could very well be a deception from "Satan" based on how we imagine Jesus would look and I'm going with either this is a deception or these people are schizophrenic or have frequent hallucinations. A simple test to see if what these people experience were real is to ask these people to draw a picture of this "Jesus" they had seen I am sure all of them would be very different.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

 Quoting: Aleph Tav


But the Islam Jesus is not the Jesus of the Christians. Islam teaches Jesus (upon his return) will live for several years, marry, have children and will be buried in Medina.

This is in stark contast to the Bible's fortelling He will return as Lord (in the flesh - but not corruptable) and reign over all the earth, forever.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Sigh...common response but you are wrong

Christians say:

Jesus was "A" messiah in Islam and not "THE" messiah.
Fact : no other character in Islam has the title al-Masih meaning the Messiah.

They say Islam doesn't define "messiah" the way Christianity does.
Fact : The Jews who originally had the concept of "messiah" identified he was going to be a human, which is what Muslims believe.

They say Muslims don't accept Jesus as Messiah because they don't believe he is God
Fact - (refer to previous point)

They say "Isa" of the Koran is not the same as "Jesus" of the english Bible

Fact - Isa in Islam was born of a virgin, is the Messiah and will return to slay the anti-Christ.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You are misinformed - there are vast differences in the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Islam

Isaiah 9:6 in the Hebrew Bible is one of the most powerful verses in the Old Testament in proving the deity of Christ, for it incontestably declares that Jehovah himself planned to appear in human form. The verse clearly states that all government will rest upon the “child born” and the “son given” whose identity is revealed in the very terms used to describe His attributes. Isaiah, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, describes Christ as “Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”—all attributes of God alone. The term “mighty God” is in itself indicative of Jehovah since not only is He the only God (Isaiah 43:10–11), but the term “mighty” is applied to Him alone in relation to His deity.

Islam demotes their Jesus to a prophet/lessor messiah

Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.
Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!
Background of my avatar: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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To all you who doubt, there are two undeniable pieces of evidence to support the reality of Jesus: the Shroud of Turin and the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The shroud has the exact wounds described in the Passion, real blood, and the image was created by an energy unknown to modern science. You would have to cross a Xerox machine with an atomic bomb just to get close to making an image like that, not including all the other anomalies. The Tilma has an image which also is scientifically inexplicable. The image actually is suspended above the cloth, her eyes contain reflections of as many as 13 people, and it has survived fire, explosions and acid. We cannot recreate these items now, and most definitely they were not forgeries made with antiquated methods.
Research these objects and you will have the proof you always claim to require.
Jesus, Mary, the Holy Spirit, the Father, and the saints are spiritually alive and active. Visit Medjugorje, Holy Love, or any of the other shrines for Mother Mary or the saints, and you will meet more people who have been healed, saved and transformed than you can imagine. Read Gloria Polo's testimony for starters too. You can keep denying they are real but you are just deluding yourself, and missing out on the amazing love and peace you can share with the Lord (many Christians likewise are missing out on the love of Mary and the saints). You could never take your eyes off the ground, and argue all day that there is no sky, but you would be the one living in ignorance. It is beyond our scope of understanding to know why the story has unfolded this way, but that is the reality. The true followers of Jesus are praying every day for man to overcome his demons, for goodness to be shared even with those who are against us. What are you doing? Just criticising those who do? Blaming a billion Christians for what a few fallen priests or ministers have done wrong? Doubting any supernatural story that involves Jesus? Ignoring real evidence?
I was just like you. I thought I was smarter than any Christian and the Bible. When I met people who did not preach at me, but just shared their experiences with me, I decided to find out where their joy was coming from. I found it in Jesus, and God has taught me a huge lesson in humility. Do the research, meet the people who know, then you will have some standing to make your arguments.
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I have No doubt that a man named Yeshua ben Yosef existed he wasn't God though
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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You are misinformed - there are vast differences in the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Islam
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Pics or it didn't happen :-P
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When you stand before Him some day - remember your words here
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Here's two different perspectives on reincarnation, I touched on this already. I'll briefly mention it again.

1) Howard Pittman, during his NDE, was shown heaven, and was shown the demonic realm, and operation. After this experience, he believes the demonic are feeding kids, the past life info. This is done, in order to have the masses believe in reincarnation. If one believes in this, then Jesus is really not needed.

Here's something to give weight to this view. There's a GLP member, who stated he had several past life dreams. He finally realized during a dream, that this was a deception of Satan. When he realized this in his dream, he saw a demon. After this he no longer had any past life dreams.

2) There's a woman that believe there's rare cases, that if a person doesn't fulfill his / her destiny that they may return to their bodies. In her worldview, she still believes in heaven, hell, and Jesus.

If what this woman stated is so, then we can assume not all children will remember their past lives. And this is what Dr. Ian Stevenson, who studied hundreds of children's past lives, had discovered.

But since the Bible doesn't support this, I can't support this view. However, if what this woman stated is so, this still doesn't rule necessarily rule out the Bible, Jesus, etc. Since again, in her paradigm, it all still fits.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows.

This makes me believe, there may be more, that's not mentioned in the Bible.

But again when all the Bible verses are examined, I can't support the second view.
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Based on this, I can further show why this assumption is false, and not related archon manipulation.

After examining multiple accounts, not only of the ones mentioned in this post, the description of Jesus, including very specific details, are very similar.

And there's something very unique, that's not typical of most paintings / depictions. I may elaborate on this later.
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OP, how do you 'interpret' this story?

There is also the story of Shiva who appeared to a Hindu. This Hindu, a man, prayed to Shiva all his live and his wish was to follow Shiva with all his heart. One Night, Shiva appeared to this man and told him that he must convert to Christianity and that he shall be baptized. The man was completely flabbergasted by Shivas wish but followed it and eventually became a baptized christian, a follower of Jesus.
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Some are meant to be spiritual & some are meant to be religious. Depends on what the soul is ready for, and what it may not be ready for.

No use chasing something that is not meant to be you, there are lessons to be learned before one advances.
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I agree. Christians in their - excuse me - 'ignorance', will of course try to deny such events like the hindu man visited by shiva with utter restraint, cause we all - christians or non-christians - know what this would mean :)

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Correct, because it doesn't resonate with their one & only belief.

I believe in many things, as I learn something from each one of the many beliefs, society has to offer.

Their is only one main belief that I follow, is that of my Heart, good and bad, I let my love flow to forgive my bad part of it, to shine light on it, to heal it. Knowing ones heart is falling in love, in ones heart.
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When you stand before Him some day - remember your words here
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This ^^^
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Hey OP I dare you to read these Muslim NDE experiences in which they go to Jannah (Islamic version of heaven) and don't see Jesus telling them to convert to the hypocritical organization known as Christianity but they see Allah and meet there 72 virgins.

[link to near-death.com]

This website has thousand of other NDE experiences which people judge their own lives and see God's such as Zeus Odin, Loki, Thor, Thoth , Poseidon etc there experience isn't any less valid than these experiences are. I bet you won't read it though.
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When we're talking about NDEs, many factors have to be considered.

1) Did the person come across any veridical info.

2) Nanci Danison, a trial lawyer, discovered an important factor from her own NDe, that these may be based on the person's beliefs. For example, from her account, anything that she thought of, then manifested, similar to a lucid dream.

Hence the reason, verdical info is crucial to consider. To rule out, if the person merely wasn't experiencing something based on imaginations, subconscious beliefs / expectations, etc.
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If you did read it then you would see these people did come across veridical information and that it was later verified and this information they couldn't possibly have known by any other means whatsoever
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I read the Muslim's account in the link you provided, and there's zero veridical info in it.

Even if there is, 2 other important factors still need to be examined.
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But the Islam Jesus is not the Jesus of the Christians. Islam teaches Jesus (upon his return) will live for several years, marry, have children and will be buried in Medina.

This is in stark contast to the Bible's fortelling He will return as Lord (in the flesh - but not corruptable) and reign over all the earth, forever.
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Sigh...common response but you are wrong

Christians say:

Jesus was "A" messiah in Islam and not "THE" messiah.
Fact : no other character in Islam has the title al-Masih meaning the Messiah.

They say Islam doesn't define "messiah" the way Christianity does.
Fact : The Jews who originally had the concept of "messiah" identified he was going to be a human, which is what Muslims believe.

They say Muslims don't accept Jesus as Messiah because they don't believe he is God
Fact - (refer to previous point)

They say "Isa" of the Koran is not the same as "Jesus" of the english Bible

Fact - Isa in Islam was born of a virgin, is the Messiah and will return to slay the anti-Christ.
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You are misinformed - there are vast differences in the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Islam

Isaiah 9:6 in the Hebrew Bible is one of the most powerful verses in the Old Testament in proving the deity of Christ, for it incontestably declares that Jehovah himself planned to appear in human form. The verse clearly states that all government will rest upon the “child born” and the “son given” whose identity is revealed in the very terms used to describe His attributes. Isaiah, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, describes Christ as “Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”—all attributes of God alone. The term “mighty God” is in itself indicative of Jehovah since not only is He the only God (Isaiah 43:10–11), but the term “mighty” is applied to Him alone in relation to His deity.

Islam demotes their Jesus to a prophet/lessor messiah

Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.
Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!
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The Bible is corrupted from missing books ,to books that were taken out,and even to books that were burnt and books still hidden in the Vatican library.You are using the Bible to prove what the Bible says about the man name Jesus so why can't I use what the Koran says about Jesus or what the much much older Bhagavad Gita says about the man named Jesus you don't have the monopoly on truth.

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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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But the Islam Jesus is not the Jesus of the Christians. Islam teaches Jesus (upon his return) will live for several years, marry, have children and will be buried in Medina.

This is in stark contast to the Bible's fortelling He will return as Lord (in the flesh - but not corruptable) and reign over all the earth, forever.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Sigh...common response but you are wrong

Christians say:

Jesus was "A" messiah in Islam and not "THE" messiah.
Fact : no other character in Islam has the title al-Masih meaning the Messiah.

They say Islam doesn't define "messiah" the way Christianity does.
Fact : The Jews who originally had the concept of "messiah" identified he was going to be a human, which is what Muslims believe.

They say Muslims don't accept Jesus as Messiah because they don't believe he is God
Fact - (refer to previous point)

They say "Isa" of the Koran is not the same as "Jesus" of the english Bible

Fact - Isa in Islam was born of a virgin, is the Messiah and will return to slay the anti-Christ.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You are misinformed - there are vast differences in the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Islam

Isaiah 9:6 in the Hebrew Bible is one of the most powerful verses in the Old Testament in proving the deity of Christ, for it incontestably declares that Jehovah himself planned to appear in human form. The verse clearly states that all government will rest upon the “child born” and the “son given” whose identity is revealed in the very terms used to describe His attributes. Isaiah, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, describes Christ as “Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”—all attributes of God alone. The term “mighty God” is in itself indicative of Jehovah since not only is He the only God (Isaiah 43:10–11), but the term “mighty” is applied to Him alone in relation to His deity.

Islam demotes their Jesus to a prophet/lessor messiah

Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.
Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


The Bible is corrupted from missing books ,to books that were taken out,and even to books that were burnt and books still hidden in the Vatican library.You are using the Bible to prove what the Bible says about the man name Jesus so why can't I use what the Koran says about Jesus or what the much much older Bhagavad Gita says about the man named Jesus you don't have the monopoly on truth.
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There's a tremendous amount of evidence, I came across, that's giving weight to no other religion, except Christianity.

I searched for many many years, weighing in much evidence, before converting to Christianity.
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God is able to preserve His truth. Thinking people know, He did not reveal Himself through a terrorist "prophet" who never prophesized, but murdered, raped, and pillaged. Ponder hard - who you believe - Most know if their hearts, Mo was a false prophet - and the Queeran is a diabolical mishmash of imagined nonsence.

Throughout the entire content of inspired Scripture the fact of Christ’s identity is clearly taught. He is revealed as Jehovah God in human form (Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2; Isaiah 7:14; John 1:14; 8:58; 17:5 [cf. Exodus 3:14]; Hebrews 1:3; Philippians 2:11; Colossians 2:9; and Revelation 1:8, 17–18; etc.). The deity of Jesus Christ is one of the cornerstones of Christianity, and as such has been attacked more vigorously throughout the ages than any other single doctrine of the Christian faith. Adhering to the old Arian heresy of the fourth century A.D., which Athanasius the great church Father refuted in his famous essay “On the Incarnation of the Word,” many individuals and all cults steadfastly deny the equality of Jesus Christ with God the Father, and, consequently, the Triune deity. However, the testimony of the Scriptures stands sure, and the above mentioned references alone put to silence forever this blasphemous heresy, which in the power of Satan himself deceives many with its “deceitful handling of the Word of God.”

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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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Let's just get to the point...this is a holographic simulation from powerful computers far in the future.....they found self correcting code deep into string theory that backs up this idea. All of these moral prophets are universal. Aliens have the same buddhist precepts that we have..
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OP, how do you 'interpret' this story?

There is also the story of Shiva who appeared to a Hindu. This Hindu, a man, prayed to Shiva all his live and his wish was to follow Shiva with all his heart. One Night, Shiva appeared to this man and told him that he must convert to Christianity and that he shall be baptized. The man was completely flabbergasted by Shivas wish but followed it and eventually became a baptized christian, a follower of Jesus.
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Before I would even believe this 'story'. I would like to hear, more accounts of Shiva appearing to other Hindus and telling them to join Christianity.

More accounts, of this would give it greater weight.

Even then, there's much more that I examine, before more seriously considering the account.
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Yes sure. Thank you for your reply.

Namaste
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That still sounds intriguing, do you have the link to the story.

He stated Shiva appeared to him, could he have mistaken 'Shiva' perhaps for an angel?
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Chances that the hindu man - who followed Shiva all his life - had mistaken 'Shiva' are relatively small, except Angels appear in the likeness of Shiva himself, riding a bull, which i doubt ;)

I've searched for an example of that particular story but i cannot find it, for now. I'll post a link as soon as i find one.

Namaste

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