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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
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"Y aunque ande en Valle de Sombra de Muerte, no temeré mal alguno, porque Tú estarás conmigo: Tu vara y Tu cayado, me infundirán aliento... ~
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31290157


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Yes that is an area of my screen representing a memetic "lack thereof".

Go on if you will though.
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"The man who reads nothing is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." ~Thomas Jefferson
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Hmm...

Alright.

So in terms of human symbolism, there is a concept regarding "lack thereof".

So... its an illusion,

no?
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"Y aunque ande en Valle de Sombra de Muerte, no temeré mal alguno, porque Tú estarás conmigo: Tu vara y Tu cayado, me infundirán aliento... ~
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Hmm...

Alright.

So in terms of human symbolism, there is a concept regarding "lack thereof".

So... its an illusion,

no?
 Quoting: pi


...

Cause I could always claim,

"I don't see what yer gettin at." LOL

...

?

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"Y aunque ande en Valle de Sombra de Muerte, no temeré mal alguno, porque Tú estarás conmigo: Tu vara y Tu cayado, me infundirán aliento... ~
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Nothing doesn't exist. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If you have two apples and I take two apples away from you there are still two apples. The concept 0 shows ownership not lack of an object.
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Nothing doesn't exist. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If you have two apples and I take two apples away from you there are still two apples. The concept 0 shows ownership not lack of an object.
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That is part of what I am getting at yes, that is how it effects human behaviour.

That is still a meme, however.
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Re: Zero
Don't be shy now...

Someone proudly bearing the namesake seemed to think otherwise today...

Perhaps he's gone to bed.

hf
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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0 was created in India by a man that just didn't feel like paying for something. Before then nothing quite literally didn't exist. Science recently proved nothing doesn't exist. I forget the name of the experiment but what happened was scientists took two particles and separated them. They then spun one particle at high speeds. They were shocked to see that the other particle started spinning with no force applied to it. This proves that everything is connected and that space is an illusion and nothingness is a lie and a fallacy. We have been looking at our universe as a room filled with objects when really it is closer to a pool filled with objects yet every object in the pool no matter where they are positioned are right next to each other.
Does that help?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31290157


^^^^This^^^^
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0 was created in India by a man that just didn't feel like paying for something. Before then nothing quite literally didn't exist. Science recently proved nothing doesn't exist. I forget the name of the experiment but what happened was scientists took two particles and separated them. They then spun one particle at high speeds. They were shocked to see that the other particle started spinning with no force applied to it. This proves that everything is connected and that space is an illusion and nothingness is a lie and a fallacy. We have been looking at our universe as a room filled with objects when really it is closer to a pool filled with objects yet every object in the pool no matter where they are positioned are right next to each other.
Does that help?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30900086


Hmmm...

I definitely like your angle.

But, I'm getting at something just a bit, deeper, shall we say... LOL
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"Y aunque ande en Valle de Sombra de Muerte, no temeré mal alguno, porque Tú estarás conmigo: Tu vara y Tu cayado, me infundirán aliento... ~
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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"Firstly, I go into a dark room and light a cigarette..."

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lmao
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


the divider between matter and antimatter.

Last Edited by <%)oM34PrIm|(%>< on 01/02/2013 06:46 AM
1s 2s 2p 3s 3p 4s 3d 4p 5s 4d 5p 6s 4f 5d 6p 7s 5f 6d 7p
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
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the divider between matter and antimatter.
 Quoting: 7-cube


Stop right there...

No more guesses from you LOL.

That is very close.
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"Y aunque ande en Valle de Sombra de Muerte, no temeré mal alguno, porque Tú estarás conmigo: Tu vara y Tu cayado, me infundirán aliento... ~
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- Stellatus ocula, ex alchimia (A) Spiritus Sancti; quoque puerum (de sinistra) et puellam (de ius) -
{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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electricity, voltage, AC, goes above and below 0
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electricity, voltage, AC, goes above and below 0
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Where is the absolute?
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{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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0 was created in India by a man that just didn't feel like paying for something. Before then nothing quite literally didn't exist. Science recently proved nothing doesn't exist. I forget the name of the experiment but what happened was scientists took two particles and separated them. They then spun one particle at high speeds. They were shocked to see that the other particle started spinning with no force applied to it. This proves that everything is connected and that space is an illusion and nothingness is a lie and a fallacy. We have been looking at our universe as a room filled with objects when really it is closer to a pool filled with objects yet every object in the pool no matter where they are positioned are right next to each other.
Does that help?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30900086


Hmmm...

I definitely like your angle.

But, I'm getting at something just a bit, deeper, shall we say... LOL
 Quoting: pi


Alright. 0+0 does not = 1 you can't get something from nothing. 1-1 is still 1 the one doesn't disappear it just moves to somewhere else. So therefore 0 is an illusion. If I walk out of sight am I still there? Or did I bleep out of existence?
Nothingness in space we thought was possible because we know there are voids in space/time. However upon observation we noticed that there are particles that pop in and out of view so to speak. In theory that is impossible seeing as 0+0 will never equal 1 so for them to pop into and out of existence shows that there is no real space it shows what they are doing is moving from one point of reference to another without traveling the distance it takes to do so in what we thought was reality. If there is no way everything came from nothingness without anything existing. Plus the fact that space/time is an illusion proven by the fact that objects can go from point A to point Z without hitting B and the rest then distance is an illusion. Now with all this added to the fact that two objects are always connected then we have proven that there is no space, there is no beginning, and there is no absence of matter. There is no 0. In the words of Neo there is no Spoon.
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"Firstly, I go into a dark room and light a cigarette..."

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lmao
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...

"I bow my head and stare at the floor.

I am in a somber mood; this is a sorrow cig.

I take a few drags, and I begin to notice...

An almost... 'presence', building, in the room
."

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lmao
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


centric position of a sphere is 0
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0 was created in India by a man that just didn't feel like paying for something. Before then nothing quite literally didn't exist. Science recently proved nothing doesn't exist. I forget the name of the experiment but what happened was scientists took two particles and separated them. They then spun one particle at high speeds. They were shocked to see that the other particle started spinning with no force applied to it. This proves that everything is connected and that space is an illusion and nothingness is a lie and a fallacy. We have been looking at our universe as a room filled with objects when really it is closer to a pool filled with objects yet every object in the pool no matter where they are positioned are right next to each other.
Does that help?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30900086


Hmmm...

I definitely like your angle.

But, I'm getting at something just a bit, deeper, shall we say... LOL
 Quoting: pi


Alright. 0+0 does not = 1 you can't get something from nothing. 1-1 is still 1 the one doesn't disappear it just moves to somewhere else. So therefore 0 is an illusion. If I walk out of sight am I still there? Or did I bleep out of existence?

Nothingness in space we thought was possible because we know there are voids in space/time. However upon observation we noticed that there are particles that pop in and out of view so to speak.

In theory that is impossible seeing as 0+0 will never equal 1 so for them to pop into and out of existence shows that there is no real space it shows what they are doing is moving from one point of reference to another without traveling the distance it takes to do so in what we thought was reality.

If there is no way everything came from nothingness without anything existing. Plus the fact that space/time is an illusion proven by the fact that objects can go from point A to point Z without hitting B and the rest then distance is an illusion.

Now with all this added to the fact that two objects are always connected then we have proven that there is no space, there is no beginning, and there is no absence of matter.

There is no 0. In the words of Neo there is no Spoon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30900086


Hmm...

Well distance is universally relevant.

Also you are still thinking in terms of symbols, which, although are objective in a sense, do not pervade to the very underpinnings of reality, as it were.

Does that make sense?
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


centric position of a sphere is 0
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19505114


....

So then how can a sphere be cut in half?

Assuming we could use a computer and cutting apparatus to cut down to the smallest measurements, atomic in scale even.

...?
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{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Nothingness is not a thing, but it was made real - invented - because it facilitates calculations, but nothing more, as nothing is not a real thing.
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Nothingness is not a thing, but it was made real - invented - because it facilitates calculations, but nothing more, as nothing is not a real thing.
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Yeah.

But it is able to effect us, in some form, no?

And it is indeed possible to form what is, for all intents and purposes, a container with a good deal of "nothing" as it were... like a vacuum tank.

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{3360 5492 787 6138} ~{exo Thelema, "Fac quod vis": Lex Solus, Exclusiva omnium aliorum / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


we discovered it symbols non material dimensions (invisible center) form material dimension (visible outline)
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Nothingness is not a thing, but it was made real - invented - because it facilitates calculations, but nothing more, as nothing is not a real thing.
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Yeah.

But it is able to effect us, in some form, no?

And it is indeed possible to form what is, for all intents and purposes, a container with a good deal of "nothing" as it were... like a vacuum tank.

...

?
 Quoting: pi


Depends which nothing you're talking about, the nothing you reach into space with your hands, or the nothingness that you imagine in your mind....A vacuum will have all particles and forces latent within it, it is a far richer substance than the philosopher's nothing.

hf
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


centric position of a sphere is 0
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19505114

advance - retard, tdc = 0. a zero point, balance point of cycle, loop back rotation = caduceus.
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


we discovered it symbols non material dimensions (invisible center) form material dimension (visible outline)
 Quoting: aether


thus it signs 2
the smallest number/anything that exists
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
 Quoting: pi


we discovered it symbols non material dimensions (invisible center) form material dimension (visible outline)
 Quoting: aether


thus it signs 2
the smallest number/anything that exists
 Quoting: aether


that which exists
that which exists, exists within

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