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:spocknomore:
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Smartest mother fucking thing said so far.
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Anti-matter and Matter are kind of the same thing but are complete opposites. We consider Matter+ and anti- because our planet and most of observable universe is comprised of Matter. Energy is kind of motivated motion I guess you can't have motion without it. Yet you can't have it without motion so we look at it as an object that can't be observed without E=MC^2 that is the only way we can measure it. So yes you do need mass to measure energy but that doesn't mean they are the same thing.
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As for photons and mass it depends if you use Einstein's book formula or his original formula. E = mc2 is the textbook version E0 = mc2 is his original version. The first says a photon has mass, the second says a photon has mass, but not at rest. In other words a photon only exists and has mass while it is moving.
Quoting: cern thought

whoa
that was the crossover where einstein went from pro aether to anti aether

"In other words a photon only exists and has mass while it is moving."

well not really, mass is a dimension

the dimensions of discrete natural units (quanta) are length, frequency, mass, charge, and spherical geometry. Dimension is the fundamental attribute of measurement, but is not itself measurable. Absolute dimension is a quality of reality seemingly arising from the ultimate Source of all existence. When quantity is associated with dimension, then the two together form a measurement.
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it is not that a photon only exists when it moves it is a photon only possess weight when it moves

which is why everything always moves, the photon, according to einstein, is the structure that provides the crossover from non material to material
the photon is always moving thus it`s motion forms weight via inertia because in motion the photon influences (force(s)) the next scale up material unit(s)
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thoughts?

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Anti-matter and Matter are kind of the same thing but are complete opposites. We consider Matter+ and anti- because our planet and most of observable universe is comprised of Matter. Energy is kind of motivated motion I guess you can't have motion without it. Yet you can't have it without motion so we look at it as an object that can't be observed without E=MC^2 that is the only way we can measure it. So yes you do need mass to measure energy but that doesn't mean they are the same thing.
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As for photons and mass it depends if you use Einstein's book formula or his original formula. E = mc2 is the textbook version E0 = mc2 is his original version. The first says a photon has mass, the second says a photon has mass, but not at rest. In other words a photon only exists and has mass while it is moving.
Quoting: cern thought

whoa
that was the crossover where einstein went from pro aether to anti aether

"In other words a photon only exists and has mass while it is moving."

well not really, mass is a dimension

the dimensions of discrete natural units (quanta) are length, frequency, mass, charge, and spherical geometry. Dimension is the fundamental attribute of measurement, but is not itself measurable. Absolute dimension is a quality of reality seemingly arising from the ultimate Source of all existence. When quantity is associated with dimension, then the two together form a measurement.
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it is not that a photon only exists when it moves it is a photon only possess weight when it moves

which is why everything always moves, the photon, according to einstein, is the structure that provides the crossover from non material to material
the photon is always moving thus it`s motion forms weight via inertia because in motion the photon influences (force(s)) the next scale up material unit(s)
Quoting: aether

thoughts?
Quoting: aether

Lol. Goddammit why did you have to bring this into it. This is why you can slow down a photon beam by passing it through a mass of matter that is near absolute zero. But it can't stop it has to keep moving. Its like the bus from speed.
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still there is still something, inept
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Yes and? Ok let me put it like this. All matter contains Energy but matter is not comprised of Energy. Does a rock sitting on the ground have Energy? No it doesn't. Energy is the force that is applied on an object of mass. During absolute zero that Force is stopped. For instance even light which is photon energy even stops but only if it hits an object of mass, because there has to be a transfer. Using your own logic you make Mass the constant. Mass is not the constant Energy is a constant. Can you destroy matter yessir you sure as hell can. Wanna know how? You use anti-matter. Can you destroy Energy hell no, you can only transfer it. Therefore Mass and Energy are two separate entities. There are only three things in this universe Energy, Matter, and Anti-Matter. The Big Bang was caused by Matter and Anti-matter releasing Energy. For the longest time we thought Space/time was also apart of it but space/time is an illusion. Like I said already that is proven. They are very much alike however they are completely different and saying that they are the same is stupid and nonsensical.
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mass/matter is a from of energy
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Again you've showed your ignorance. Mass and Matter are different. Mass is measured by an objects resistance to Energy. Look at it this way. An atom is comprised of what? The building blocks, mass and then dead space. The dead space is caused by energy and the building blocks are comprised of matter. The mass is comprised of both of them the material bulk or the building blocks and then the dead space which is caused by opposing energies.
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
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Yes and? Ok let me put it like this. All matter contains Energy but matter is not comprised of Energy. Does a rock sitting on the ground have Energy? No it doesn't. Energy is the force that is applied on an object of mass. During absolute zero that Force is stopped. For instance even light which is photon energy even stops but only if it hits an object of mass, because there has to be a transfer. Using your own logic you make Mass the constant. Mass is not the constant Energy is a constant. Can you destroy matter yessir you sure as hell can. Wanna know how? You use anti-matter. Can you destroy Energy hell no, you can only transfer it. Therefore Mass and Energy are two separate entities. There are only three things in this universe Energy, Matter, and Anti-Matter. The Big Bang was caused by Matter and Anti-matter releasing Energy. For the longest time we thought Space/time was also apart of it but space/time is an illusion. Like I said already that is proven. They are very much alike however they are completely different and saying that they are the same is stupid and nonsensical.
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mass/matter is a from of energy
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248

Again you've showed your ignorance. Mass and Matter are different. Mass is measured by an objects resistance to Energy. Look at it this way. An atom is comprised of what? The building blocks, mass and then dead space. The dead space is caused by energy and the building blocks are comprised of matter. The mass is comprised of both of them the material bulk or the building blocks and then the dead space which is caused by opposing energies.
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248

Well if you hadn't gotten us all off fucking topic you would have known that my point is that nothing doesn't exist. To do that I had to first prove space/time was an illusion by showing all objects are connected and that distance as we see it is only perspective to the object that is viewing it. Therefore there is no space between objects and that all objects are connected. So to sum it all up everything is bullshit. Is that Mystical enough for you?
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
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Sorry pal, but you aren't gonna be the thread killer here

Show a little substance or GTFO
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
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Sorry pal, but you aren't gonna be the thread killer here

Show a little substance or GTFO
Quoting: pi

Its straight we call that a death rattle where I'm from.
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
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Sorry pal, but you aren't gonna be the thread killer here

Show a little substance or GTFO
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Its straight we call that a death rattle where I'm from.
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LOL

Well played sir!

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When/if (I'd say when, you seem like a true seeker of knowledge) you find & purchase the God Series books I pointed you in the direction of, you will absolutely piss yourself laughing at some of these responses. People talk like they're experts, but they know naaa-sink NAAAA-SINK!! (do you remember Sargent Schultz? lol)

Truly the secrets of the universe.

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01/02/2013 11:48 AM
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
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Sorry pal, but you aren't gonna be the thread killer here

Show a little substance or GTFO
Quoting: pi

Its straight we call that a death rattle where I'm from.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698

LOL

Well played sir!

Quoting: pi

Alright well I'm spent and I'm gonna go get high now. Anyone else got a question before I leave?
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It allowsfor decimals. And larger numbers than 9
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Sorry pal, but you aren't gonna be the thread killer here

Show a little substance or GTFO
Quoting: pi

Its straight we call that a death rattle where I'm from.
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LOL

Well played sir!

Quoting: pi

Alright well I'm spent and I'm gonna go get high now. Anyone else got a question before I leave?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698

No but what a fan-fucking-tastic idea...
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"Yea, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff, they comfort me.... ~
~ ~ 949 444 1178711 ~{exo Thelema: "Fac Quod Vis": Lex solus, exclusiva omnium aliorum! / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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mass/matter is a from of energy
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Again you've showed your ignorance. Mass and Matter are different. Mass is measured by an objects resistance to Energy. Look at it this way. An atom is comprised of what? The building blocks, mass and then dead space. The dead space is caused by energy and the building blocks are comprised of matter. The mass is comprised of both of them the material bulk or the building blocks and then the dead space which is caused by opposing energies.
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semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248

Well if you hadn't gotten us all off fucking topic you would have known that my point is that nothing doesn't exist. To do that I had to first prove space/time was an illusion by showing all objects are connected and that distance as we see it is only perspective to the object that is viewing it. Therefore there is no space between objects and that all objects are connected. So to sum it all up everything is bullshit. Is that Mystical enough for you?
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hahaha. if you mean 'nothingness' by 'nothing', i agree on that part, but aren't you contradicting such statement when saying that absolute zero exists?
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Its straight we call that a death rattle where I'm from.
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LOL

Well played sir!

Quoting: pi

Alright well I'm spent and I'm gonna go get high now. Anyone else got a question before I leave?
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No but what a fan-fucking-tastic idea...
Quoting: pi

Lol. Yes it is. Well Pi its been fun again. Peace 5
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hahaha. if you mean 'nothingness' by 'nothing', i agree on that part, but aren't you contradicting such statement when saying that absolute zero exists?
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Last warning.

You are fully aware that you are jumbling semantics.
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~ ~ 949 444 1178711 ~{exo Thelema: "Fac Quod Vis": Lex solus, exclusiva omnium aliorum! / Papaver somniferum var. paeoniflorum et Cannabis sativa var. indicae} ~
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Again you've showed your ignorance. Mass and Matter are different. Mass is measured by an objects resistance to Energy. Look at it this way. An atom is comprised of what? The building blocks, mass and then dead space. The dead space is caused by energy and the building blocks are comprised of matter. The mass is comprised of both of them the material bulk or the building blocks and then the dead space which is caused by opposing energies.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698

semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?

Well if you hadn't gotten us all off fucking topic you would have known tha
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248
nt is that nothing doesn't exist. To do that I had to first prove space/time was an illusion by showing all objects are connected and that distance as we see it is only perspective to the object that is viewing it. Therefore there is no space between objects and that all objects are connected. So to sum it all up everything is bullshit. Is that Mystical enough for you?

hahaha. if you mean 'nothingness' by 'nothing', i agree on t
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698
, but aren't you contradicting such statement when saying that absolute zero exists?

No absolute zero is just when everything stops. How does that have shit to do wi
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248
ngness?
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Again you've showed your ignorance. Mass and Matter are different. Mass is measured by an objects resistance to Energy. Look at it this way. An atom is comprised of what? The building blocks, mass and then dead space. The dead space is caused by energy and the building blocks are comprised of matter. The mass is comprised of both of them the material bulk or the building blocks and then the dead space which is caused by opposing energies.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698

semantics

so, what's the mystic point you're trying to prove?

Well if you hadn't gotten us all off fucking topic you would have known tha
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248
nt is that nothing doesn't exist. To do that I had to first prove space/time was an illusion by showing all objects are connected and that distance as we see it is only perspective to the object that is viewing it. Therefore there is no space between objects and that all objects are connected. So to sum it all up everything is bullshit. Is that Mystical enough for you?

hahaha. if you mean 'nothingness' by 'nothing', i agree on t
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27764698
, but aren't you contradicting such statement when saying that absolute zero exists?

i meant real existence
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LOL

Well played sir!

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Alright well I'm spent and I'm gonna go get high now. Anyone else got a question before I leave?
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No but what a fan-fucking-tastic idea...
Quoting: pi

Lol. Yes it is. Well Pi its been fun again. Peace 5
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"Yea, though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff, they comfort me.... ~
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i think we were speaking about different things lol
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hahaha. if you mean 'nothingness' by 'nothing', i agree on that part, but aren't you contradicting such statement when saying that absolute zero exists?
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Last warning.

You are fully aware that you are jumbling semantics.
Quoting: pi

no bad semantic intentions sir/miss/mrs lol
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hahaha. if you mean 'nothingness' by 'nothing', i agree on that part, but aren't you contradicting such statement when saying that absolute zero exists?
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Last warning.

You are fully aware that you are jumbling semantics.
Quoting: pi

no bad semantic intentions sir/miss/mrs lol
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29177248

Fair enough, just keep it sharp and to the point.
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How was zero discovered?

oLOVEz

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<3+/-Negative-\+Positive+Positive+Positive+/-=<3

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<3+/-Negative-\+Positive+Positive+Positive+/-=<3

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Much love to you my friend :)
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
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progress -/+

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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
Quoting: pi

progress -/+
Quoting: aether

Much love to you my friend.
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Wondering if anyone could explain to me the actual relevance in the concept (and numeral) of '0'.

I seem to think that it is not a valid concept, and that it does not inherently add utility to human science.

This of course would include the concept of the "void".

So? Anyone care to educate me?
Quoting: pi

progress -/+
Quoting: aether

Much love to you my friend.
Quoting: pi

that is a question as in
affect of replies unknown
hence my question
maybe no change noticed

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actually you feel " thought tired"
we will come back to it another time
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actually you feel " thought tired"
we will come back to it another time
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You can read me like a book can't you...

Sleep seems quite impossible at this time.

And yet occasionally I will become overwhelmed with an almost narcotic-like "nod", before finding myself alert again...

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