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Absolute proof the Bible is a LIE.

 
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
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In modern times, we refer to it as Multiple Personality Disorder.
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OP: "You see this coin? It has a heads and a tails but it's only one coin! It's a LIE!"


Do you understand?
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youare seeing double? cool2 good stuff. huh.

A coin has a head's side and a tail's side, not a "heads" and a "tails".

at the bottom:
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
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In modern times, we refer to it as Multiple Personality Disorder.
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I got off on a tangent before because this overwhelming feeling of pissed off-ness floods my brain. I'll stick to Genesis.

Even though, as the guy said earlier, we are all wasting our time. There is OVERWHELMING amounts of evidence one can find, but believers BELIEVE regardless of what you present to Christians in a discussion, it's a one sided thing, no discussion, deep rooted brainwashing. They will always have their blinders on. I USED TO BE ONE.

Christians want to fill in gaps in knowledge with God and gaps in God with knowledge.


The Garden of Eden Story is a STOLEN story of the Garden of Eridu. FUCKING FACT. This Story is way older then the fucking BIBLE.

"edin is a Sumerian word and refers to the uncultivated land surrounding every Sumerian city and its gardens or fields, the "land of Eden," Probably a waste of time, oh well.

If you would take the time to read the sumerian texts, and research how old they are in comparison to the bible, you would have to be a complete moron to believe otherwise.

[link to www.bibleorigins.net]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.christianforums.com]
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The bible is not a lie except for the Calvary crucifixion. Jesus faked everyone out with that but other than that the sick jewish plot that is the bible is very true.
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What is literature?
1. written material such as poetry, novels, essays, etc., esp works of imagination characterized by excellence of style and expression and by themes of general or enduring interest

Was the Bible written by God?
You don't reckon old Moishe (Moses) used his imagination characterized by excellence style and expression to create this tome do you?
Genesis uses God said, "blah, blah, blah". Was Moishe there to hear God say this. He quoted him, yet he was not on the scene listening. This is a literary device often used by fiction writers. It is called dialog. Is fiction writing lying?
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I see your agenda here... You are not open minded and asking to understand, you are trying to incite doubt and argument about the Truth.

Some would define you as a troll and I would not be inclined to disagree.
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You speak of the Truth as if you are aware of it yet you do not share it with us all. Instead, you resort to name calling. You have no Truth and have never had any. Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will Never hurt me.
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


In modern times, we refer to it as Multiple Personality Disorder.
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clappa
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Multiple personality disorder is DISORDERLY meaning they DO NOT AGREE IN ONE...

The Trinity or Godhead agree completely in one and work together in unison not separately as in a MPD subject.


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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Well well well, under two total stars.......looks like you're full of fail OPee?
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Here is an excerpt from a book written by the current pope back in the 80s where he addresses this exact topic:

[link to www.catholicbridge.com]

And for the record, the first people to really interpret the various Old Testament creation stories were the protestant reformers of 16th century western Europe.

To quote just a few of the Church Fathers regarding the creation stories:

Origen of Alexandria (184-253) wrote in the Philocalia that:

" For who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? And that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? And who is so foolish as to suppose that God, after the manner of a husbandman, planted a paradise in Eden, towards the east, and placed in it a tree of life, visible and palpable, so that one tasting of the fruit by the bodily teeth obtained life? And again, that one was a partaker of good and evil by masticating what was taken from the tree? And if God is said to walk in the paradise in the evening, and Adam to hide himself under a tree, I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance, and not literally."

St. Augustine (5th century) in 'The Literal Meaning of Genesis' wrote:

" Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [1 Timothy 1.7]."
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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Elohim=Father, Son, Holy Ghost
Yahweh=Just the father

Your a lie. End of discussion. Closing thread.
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The religious are so delusional; they have to be, for believing in a sky fairy.
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Let the buthurt flow through you Jee-zus! freaks tounge

Oh, and I don't know how to tell you this but...Jesus hates you ;-)

Only one bad karma so far? Where's the hate I mean love :-D
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Anything else you add to that is ONLY of your OWN opinion.
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as an example.

the two most common variants of the beginning of gen 1,2 in german are

"die Erde aber war wüst und wirr"
"die Erde aber war wüst und leer"

whereas KJ variant is

"And the earth was without form, and void"

all those three are entirely different in meaning (although the KJ variant would be more in line wit the latter, while the former would be more in line with more direct translations). But ofc if you say KJ is it, and the rest of the world is wrong and/or my opinion, so be it.
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The religious are so delusional; they have to be, for believing in a sky fairy.
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And what do you believe in? ohh that's right.....nothing, good job there loser.
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The religious are so delusional; they have to be, for believing in a sky fairy.
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And what do you believe in? ohh that's right.....nothing, good job there loser.
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I believe in things that are real. Not a delusional in the belief of a sky fairy.
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We live in a world that is full lies.
Turn on the T.V. Lies
Turn on the Radio. Lies
Read a news paper. Lies
Go online. Lies
Go to church. Lies
Every where there are lies.

Know thy self, and tell no lies.
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Let the buthurt flow through you Jee-zus! freaks tounge

Oh, and I don't know how to tell you this but...Jesus hates you ;-)

Only one bad karma so far? Where's the hate I mean love :-D
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I'm a gun toting bible believing American redneck and would love to exercise my second amendment rights against the likes of you're kind......anytime
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you not One, not Two but Three, that's right Three Gods in One. What a bargain you gonna get tonight. Not just one God, but Three for the price of One. Not just One or Two but Three, Three, Three for the price of One. Step right up. Who will be the first to purchase.

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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.

In other words, absolute proof one should think before he speaks.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


Yes, elohim is plural. Any hebrew word with im on the end is plural. But, how do you explain this Lord God that pops up in 2:4 and makes dust man. Elohim already made man, did he not?
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I wonder if your stupidity can be cured with knowledge, I'm not sure.

Anyway you can view it like this, see Genesis ch.1 as a type of Frontpage of a Newspaper which has the headlines, one of them being the creation of man, and it will usually see page 2 for full article.

In this case Genesis ch.2 is the article about the creation of man.

This so called contradiction has been answered many times, just because you're just another idiot you bring up the same old tired destroyed contradiction because your skeptic and newage sewage friends are dishonest devils that well rehash their same old tired lies so the next generation of deceived (you) comes along and brings up the same bs again and again.

Next time go to some apologetics sites and look for answered so called contradctions, there's tons of material out there, instead you make a bold face statement that was proven untrue.

So how will you now act? Will you admit your fault and retract your lie your will you go down to hell where those before you went because they refused to admit their sins.

Btw who is the devil that karma pins this shit? Shame on you devil.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you not One, not Two but Three, that's right Three Gods in One. What a bargain you gonna get tonight. Not just one God, but Three for the price of One. Not just One or Two but Three, Three, Three for the price of One. Step right up. Who will be the first to purchase.

Does God have Multiple Personality Disorder?
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Can I buy the holy ghost alone?
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JESUS CHRIST 'MAY HAVE SUFFERED FROM MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS', CLAIMS CHURCH OF ENGLAND

It reads: "Many of the people we read about in Bible stories might today be considered as having mental health issues.

"For example, ‘Would Jesus’ family maybe on occasion have said, ‘Cousin John is a bit odd, bless him!’ when John the Baptist took to his eccentric style of life?

"It has long been thought that King Saul, in the books of Samuel, was displaying mood swings that suggest he had bi-polar disorder and some think that St Paul’s Damascus Road experience was the result of some sort of breakdown or psychotic episode


Loons the lot of them
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The religious are so delusional; they have to be, for believing in a sky fairy.
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And what do you believe in? ohh that's right.....nothing, good job there loser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31279913


I believe in things that are real. Not a delusional in the belief of a sky fairy.
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Well that's the way it is with your kind, you have no heritage that's been passed down so unless by miracle you came to believe you're just doomed and there is nothing that can be done for you......you poor lost soul.
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Let the buthurt flow through you Jee-zus! freaks tounge

Oh, and I don't know how to tell you this but...Jesus hates you ;-)

Only one bad karma so far? Where's the hate I mean love :-D
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I'm a gun toting bible believing American redneck and would love to exercise my second amendment rights against the likes of you're kind......anytime
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You just convinced me on gun control. Idiots like you need to be relieved of them.
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OP just because you dont understand something doesnt mean it must be a lie.
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Anything else you add to that is ONLY of your OWN opinion.
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as an example.

the two most common variants of the beginning of gen 1,2 in german are

"die Erde aber war wüst und wirr"
"die Erde aber war wüst und leer"

whereas KJ variant is

"And the earth was without form, and void"

all those three are entirely different in meaning (although the KJ variant would be more in line wit the latter, while the former would be more in line with more direct translations). But ofc if you say KJ is it, and the rest of the world is wrong and/or my opinion, so be it.
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Tell me, what manuscripts were used for the German version you are quoting? Did they use the LXX?

My point is that the KJV is based on the Majority Received Text of Hebrew and Greek manuscripts translated into English and the English of the KJV also lines up almost exactly with all the previous English versions as well.

People are taking minority perversions and trying to judge the KJV with it and you logically can't.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.

In other words, absolute proof one should think before he speaks.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


Yes, elohim is plural. Any hebrew word with im on the end is plural. But, how do you explain this Lord God that pops up in 2:4 and makes dust man. Elohim already made man, did he not?
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I wonder if your stupidity can be cured with knowledge, I'm not sure.

Anyway you can view it like this, see Genesis ch.1 as a type of Frontpage of a Newspaper which has the headlines, one of them being the creation of man, and it will usually see page 2 for full article.

In this case Genesis ch.2 is the article about the creation of man.

This so called contradiction has been answered many times, just because you're just another idiot you bring up the same old tired destroyed contradiction because your skeptic and newage sewage friends are dishonest devils that well rehash their same old tired lies so the next generation of deceived (you) comes along and brings up the same bs again and again.

Next time go to some apologetics sites and look for answered so called contradctions, there's tons of material out there, instead you make a bold face statement that was proven untrue.

So how will you now act? Will you admit your fault and retract your lie your will you go down to hell where those before you went because they refused to admit their sins.

Btw who is the devil that karma pins this shit? Shame on you devil.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Whew. Devils, Hell, Sin. Man you reading some other book. We talking about Genesis 1 here. Them characters ain't even been invented yet.
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No Credible Bible scholar takes the Bible seriously they no its truth with mixed with mythology and Jewish legends.
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I can think of half a dozen renown OT and NT scholars who would take issue with your statement. They take scripture very seriously.
 Quoting: Life and Love


The scholars that do take the Bible seriously as the unchanged Word of God without error are usually the extremely conservative extreme right Evangelical scholars and even they know there lying to themselves.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


None of the people I was thinking about fit that category.
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My point is that the KJV is based on the Majority Received Text of Hebrew and Greek manuscripts translated into English and the English of the KJV also lines up almost exactly with all the previous English versions as well.
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you ARE aware that the Hebrew, not to mention the Greek scripts were already translations, yes? and that English in the 17th had evolved over the number of centuries before?

And no, I can not tell you if and / or which of the main German variants are based on the Septuaginta, and I assume you are also aware that very few of those text fragments are still existing, so basing anything on those precious few remaining text fragments while claiming the original Septuaginta was the real basis for the KJ variant is a bit spurious.
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Yes its a lie if referring to MY creation. Its not complete for sure. Contradicting yes. Makes you laugh at each page turn. The bible god can be compared to that of a spoiled mundane child who hasn't got his way. That's why "he" is a contradiction in himself, he might be god to some, but he is no god of mine. Im sure some of you agree. So therefore, you that claim him, I cannot question that, because if you are that ignorant then its obvious that idiot IS indeed your creator. The apple indeed doesn't fall far from edens apple tree.
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OP just because you dont understand something doesnt mean it must be a lie.
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I understand and have written eloquently on the subject including definitions, direct quotes from the original hebrew and footnotes.

To summarize for you very quickly:

1-Genesis 1:1 to 2:4 tells a creation story about the Gods creating everything. It is Good. They Bless everyone and everything and take a rest.
2-Genesis 2:4 tells a completely different story about a character called the LORD God who makes evil trees, invents the word Death has talking snakes, etc.

Now, either both stories are Lies or one is a Lie and the other is the Truth. They cannot both be the Truth. Simple is it not?

What about this do you not understand?

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