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Absolute proof the Bible is a LIE.

 
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You can call me names and make up stories about astronauts and curse me, but those that would like to contribute to a discussion of Literature and offer information are welcome, the others might want to go read something else.
Why not stay on the topic, we all might learn something.
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First mention of a talking animal too.
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You can call me names and make up stories about astronauts and curse me, but those that would like to contribute to a discussion of Literature and offer information are welcome, the others might want to go read something else.
Why not stay on the topic, we all might learn something.
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If the topic is "absolute proof," I fear the standard of proof are quite low.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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No Credible Bible scholar takes the Bible seriously they no its truth with mixed with mythology and Jewish legends.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Lol, well trained by the social media and the status quo...

I am very glad the bible by design is only open to the meek and the humble...
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According to all religious organizations, the bible was authored by God.
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Wrong. Not all believe that.
Actually, a man named Moses wrote it, but they believe that God dictated it to him.
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Wrong. No one believes that.
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"Absolute Proof"..no.....what you have is a theory or an interpretation..nothing more.

Unless you were there, all any of us have is an interpretation or theory on creation and how things happened.

Since none of us were there, all any of us have is our best interpretation. period.
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It is a sign forever between me and the Israelis, because the LORD made the heavens and the earth in six days, but on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'"

hmmm...

Don't you know? Haven't you heard? The LORD is the eternal God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not grow tired or weary; and his understanding cannot be fathomed.
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My sister is a latin professor who worked at the Vatican for several years; and assisted "Reggie" who wrote all of the latin text used in the Popes statements/homily's....she told me that the correct beginning of Genisis is: "IN the beginning as the Gods were travelling through space..."
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No Credible Bible scholar takes the Bible seriously they no its truth with mixed with mythology and Jewish legends.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Aleph Tav is your handle. The first and last of the hebrew alphabet letters like the A to Z in english or the Alpha Omega in greek.
Certainly Bible scholars write many books that take the literature very seriously. I have even seen a lot of Bible Code postings on this forum with many readers.
Shall we have a discussion of the first few words in this Bible and talk about the totally different and conflicting stories presented therein?
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


The same can be found in Exodus when Aharon declares, "This be your Elohim" -- it's good to actually know the language before you declare something an outright lie.
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Just proves you don't know whereof you speak.. Not a book to be read as a story, but as a book that answers from creation. You'll have to think... and the light will come. That is if you want to really know.. Other then that Yes it will be a book of BullShit to you. No offence.
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My sister is a latin professor who worked at the Vatican for several years; and assisted "Reggie" who wrote all of the latin text used in the Popes statements/homily's....she told me that the correct beginning of Genisis is: "IN the beginning as the Gods were travelling through space..."
 Quoting: Elsabiades... 28025858


My GLP uncle says that a latin professor knows diddly squat about hebrew. The Bible was not written in latin and we do have old copies of the greek Septuagint version to check. It does not say that. Good try though.
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Then they prayed, "Lord, you know the hearts of all people. Show us which one of these two men you have chosen

hmmm...


Remember how the LORD your God led you all the way these 40 years in the desert, to humble and test you in order to make known what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands.


he knows? he doesnt know?
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No Credible Bible scholar takes the Bible seriously they no its truth with mixed with mythology and Jewish legends.
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I can think of half a dozen renown OT and NT scholars who would take issue with your statement. They take scripture very seriously.
 Quoting: Life and Love


The scholars that do take the Bible seriously as the unchanged Word of God without error are usually the extremely conservative extreme right Evangelical scholars and even they know there lying to themselves.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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THE FIRST CHAPTER GOD IS SPEAKING BY FAITH, HE SPOKE THE CREATION INTO EXISTENCE, CHAPTER 2 HE COMMANDS HIS SPOKEN WORD TO BECOME REALITY!

And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day (Eternity) and sanctified it, because in it (Eternity) He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. (Before Life Existed on earth) For the LORD God had not caused it to rain (= Life) on the earth, (Rain is Eternal LIFE) and there was no man to till the ground; (There was no man to receive stewardship of earth)
but a mist (The Presence of The Holy Spirit brings Life) went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. (The Eternal One brings Life to Heaven on Earth)

(This says we were made from dust, not from the Watered ground)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust (SIN, for Dust thou are and to Dust you shall return… The flesh is dead because of DUST!) of the ground, (The Surface/ The World) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; (Eternal Life) and man became a living being. (An Eternal being)

The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man (The Dust) whom He had formed.
And out of the ground (The surface) the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life (The MESSIAH) was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (The Fig Tree….. ADAM!)
Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, (The Throne Garden Of God) and from there it parted and became four riverheads. (North, South, East, West) God has His waters of Life wrapping the Globe)
The name of the first is Pishon; (Free flowing) it is the one which skirts the whole land of Havilah, (This River is Free flowing around the ENTIRE EQUATOR) where there is gold. (HOLINESS!) And the gold of that land is good. (HEAVEN!) Bdellium (LIGHT) and the onyx stone (Darkness) are there. The name of the second river is Gihon; (The Gusher/ SIN!) it is the one which goes around the whole land of Cush. (The Land of Darkness / Earth) The name of the third river is Hiddekel; (The Rapid River…… DEATH!) it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. (Sin and Death) The fourth river is the Euphrates. (The River Of Life)
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My sister is a latin professor who worked at the Vatican for several years; and assisted "Reggie" who wrote all of the latin text used in the Popes statements/homily's....she told me that the correct beginning of Genisis is: "IN the beginning as the Gods were travelling through space..."
 Quoting: Elsabiades... 28025858


My GLP uncle says that a latin professor knows diddly squat about hebrew. The Bible was not written in latin and we do have old copies of the greek Septuagint version to check. It does not say that. Good try though.
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Don't shoot the messenger....I'm simply reporting what the "latin" text states....now, quite frankly, all religion is myth..so, why does it matter anyway?jerkit
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And now for another weekly installment of ignorance
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I really thought you were just kidding when I first saw this post but now I can see that you are serious.
Can't you understand that it speaks of what happened in general in the first part and then goes into more detail in the next?

Like if I said, "WE went to buy a car" and then later said, "when SAM test drove the car he thought..."

Do you understand?
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Your explanation overlooks the fact that the order of creation in the second version differs from the order of creation in the first version.
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


The same can be found in Exodus when Aharon declares, "This be your Elohim" -- it's good to actually know the language before you declare something an outright lie.
 Quoting: T'shuva Ministries 1771954


I see your handle is - T'shuva Ministries - obviously you have a doctrine to defend. I do not. I am a layman looking for the truth. I bet I know more hebrew than you, though. Try not to shoot the messenger. So far we got two conflicting stories. One must be a LIE. Or maybe they both are.
Shall we get back to a discussion of this interesting subject.
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Jesus was referred to as the "master Worker" (proverbs 8:30) and "through him, all things came into existence" John 1:2 -he was referred to as "the Word" and it clarifies he had "became flesh and resided among men" He spoke of his Father as greater than him. He was a god, but not Almighty GOD. That is clearly seen in John 1:18- No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

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No Credible Bible scholar takes the Bible seriously they no its truth with mixed with mythology and Jewish legends.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


I can think of half a dozen renown OT and NT scholars who would take issue with your statement. They take scripture very seriously.
 Quoting: Life and Love


The scholars that do take the Bible seriously as the unchanged Word of God without error are usually the extremely conservative extreme right Evangelical scholars and even they know there lying to themselves.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Talking about lying. You still claim a black man invented th clock?
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

"US" = Father, Son, Holy Spirit
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"The deep calleth unto the deep and the shallow unto the shallow."

The bible is very deep by design therefore it cannot be explained easily from a shallow perspective...
You should give up this attempt...it just shows the weakness of your ego...
The ego desires everything to be explained simply so it can control it...it does not want to realize there are actually at LEAST 11 spatial dimensions alone, 8 of which we cannot conceptualize...(modern physics has proven this btw...)

Good luck though.. 1rof1
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it is also for eyes that see and ears that listen, it seems that for centuries people have been watching priest men and lsitening only to what they are told, so they hear what they are supposed to hear, by a church built on fear and bloodshed.

Have you ever considered a different viewpoint or always dismissed it instantly? I've looked at ot from both sides and still believe it to be a scam
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LOL! You think I am defending THE CHURCH? The CATHOLIC CHURCH especially? WAAAAhahahahaha...
Sounds like you are combining two completely seperate issues, the word, and religion...most religion is just mans attempt to control man....
But I do believe the bible is divinely inspired...
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so where do 'your' words come from if not promoted by the 'church' of christ? To believe in the divine inspiration of the bible, inspired by which divinity, Buddha?

Chatting shite matey....
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Another day... Another clapping Canucktard.
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Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories.

Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories.

Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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Genesis is a clear plagiarism of some older Sumerian creation myths. Bible tards don't want to hear such things though. Shhh. Don't awaken the Jesus freaks!
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Now who's missing the point?

Between you and God, there is no third party or authority, only a constructed illusion of it that masquerades as religion, yet is a worship of Babylon.

NewAgeTards also miss the big point, in that the cyclical ages all have the same rules, the rules that the illuminated gnostics fully understand, yet the profane, shallow thinking tards always never comprehend.

As Men, we are all bound by the same contract with the Creator, whichever age we were born into. The gnostics always try to 'become' God, during the quest of gaining the ultimate knowledge and manipulating the profane masses into worshipping their own brand of gnostic deities instead of the Creator God. Sadly [for them and their followers], at the eleventh hour, when they're on the brink of the great 'revelations' of understanding, they are unceremoniously stopped in their tracks by the Creator God.

Do you REALLY believe the great empires of the World, the Babylonians, Sumerians, Mayan, Vedic etc just fizzle out overnight? Anyone who believes the proscribed narrative of history that global, mighty civilisations just relinquish their global control and fizzle out, needs a slap across the chops with a kipper.

The NWO Roman Empire, which shares it's 'rebranded' deities with the aforementioned and previously destroyed other global empires is nearly complete now, and yet again, they will be stopped by the Creator God, right when they're on the brink of becoming the ultimate gnostics in their efforts to reverse engineer God's creation science.
The deception is that they already know how this ends, as the secrets of the ages have been passed down through the ages by the secret societies who prepare the knowledge for the coming age, as they an their followers are destroyed for their dishonour.

Read 'Morals & Dogma' by Albert Pike, and you might actually realise what & why the secret societies actually did what they have done to Christianity, it's part of the quest that is applicable to the current age.
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


Please I beg you! Where the fuck in the ancient texts which the catholic commisioned bible was that transcribed from?

Prove that statement or you win the dicky dubass award for the year 2013, and we are only two days in it.
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I find it very interesting, the massive attacks against the bible, all these books, shows, what have you about how the bible is a lie blah blah. People screaming for us to prove the bible, where are these attacks for every other religious book. If I were to attack the Koran, even though it is loaded with errors, I would be called a bigot, racist etc
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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THE FIRST CHAPTER GOD IS SPEAKING BY FAITH, HE SPOKE THE CREATION INTO EXISTENCE, CHAPTER 2 HE COMMANDS HIS SPOKEN WORD TO BECOME REALITY!
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Why would he speak if there was no one to listen? Wouldn't 'he' have just 'thought' things into existence? And if he did 'speak' who was there to repeat the experience?
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O.K. I see people saying that Jesus created everyone and that God created the Universe. So in Genesis when it says the sons of God married the daughters of man it is not referring to the sons of God but the sons of Jesus which would be the grandsons of God right? So why do they call them the sons of God and not the sons of Jesus? Why does Genesis not name names and call the singular God that created man Jesus? It takes a lot of time to give a very precise lineage of the children of Adam. If the children of Adam are important enough to be named why not the son of God?

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