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Absolute proof the Bible is a LIE.

 
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The bible comes down to one simple decision to a question asked. The acceptable answers are yes, or no. If your decision is yes, you're only confirming everything you already know to be true. -- That knowledge was built into your DNA and science (by design) will never find it.
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OP: "You see this coin? It has a heads and a tails but it's only one coin! It's a LIE!"


Do you understand?
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Idiot a coin has two completly different sides.
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That's my point, jerk-off.

Actually it has 3 sides counting the flat edge....and it is still a single coin.


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So do you!

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Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories.

Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories.

Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories.
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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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People will rationalize anything in order to fit their world view so that their world (and their mental sanity) doesn't become unstable when evidence contradicting their world view surfaces.
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Op you don't understand the spiritual realm. The author of the scriptures The Tenac the Torah The New Testament is the Spirit Of God. If only you could understand the supernatural/ spiritual you would see with those rather then your physical eyes.
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Thank you all for your input and kind participation.

Let's use the KISS principle and Keep It Simple Stupid.

We are discussing literature here. Hebrew writing translated into greek then latin and then into english. It is two different stories of creation.

In literature, we have what are called characters. In the first account, the hebrew elohim or Gods created everything. There had to be more than one to be Gods...could have been two or two million, it does not say. They do not even get names. They create everything, it is good and they bless it all including the human male and female and rest.
Am I correct thus far?
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
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this is pure unadulterated BS. Man is so ignorant its appalling
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O.K. I see people saying that Jesus created everyone and that God created the Universe. So in Genesis when it says the sons of God married the daughters of man it is not referring to the sons of God but the sons of Jesus which would be the grandsons of God right? So why do they call them the sons of God and not the sons of Jesus? Why does Genesis not name names and call the singular God that created man Jesus? It takes a lot of time to give a very precise lineage of the children of Adam. If the children of Adam are important enough to be named why not the son of God?
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And I need to add at no time in the old testament does it ever use the name Jesus. Think about it.
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How about SOMEONE explain this one?

John 9:17

"They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha."

Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem.

Then in Revelations 11:8

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something?
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"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)


hmmm...



"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
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Absolute proof??? I read a statement but I didn't read any PROOF.

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If you are looking for proof you do not understand Who God is and what pleases Him.
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Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories.

Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories.

Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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How about SOMEONE explain this one?

John 9:17

"They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha."

Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem.

Then in Revelations 11:8

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23754089


You are definitely missing something.

Prophecy in the Bible does not always refer to literal objects, friend. In this case, Sodom and Egypt are symbolic representation of what Jerusalem had become at the time of Jesus' first advent. Jerusalem had become Sodom and Egypt in the sense that the corruption and evil which existed in those two cities in antiquity existed at the time Jesus was crucified.

It is the type and anti-type. Look up what this means :)
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O.K. I see people saying that Jesus created everyone and that God created the Universe. So in Genesis when it says the sons of God married the daughters of man it is not referring to the sons of God but the sons of Jesus which would be the grandsons of God right? So why do they call them the sons of God and not the sons of Jesus? Why does Genesis not name names and call the singular God that created man Jesus? It takes a lot of time to give a very precise lineage of the children of Adam. If the children of Adam are important enough to be named why not the son of God?
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And I need to add at no time in the old testament does it ever use the name Jesus. Think about it.
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That's because Jesus was a remake of Mithras.
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Thank you all for your input and kind participation.

Let's use the KISS principle and Keep It Simple Stupid.

We are discussing literature here. Hebrew writing translated into greek then latin and then into english. It is two different stories of creation.

In literature, we have what are called characters. In the first account, the hebrew elohim or Gods created everything. There had to be more than one to be Gods...could have been two or two million, it does not say. They do not even get names. They create everything, it is good and they bless it all including the human male and female and rest.
Am I correct thus far?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23761823


Next, starting at Genesis 2:4, along comes a totally new character called the Lord God (Adonai Elohim in hebrew). Notice that this one has the Elohim family name but calls himself Lord. This is most interesting.
Now, the Lord God starts a whole new creation of dust man and rib woman. He has set up a garden, also, with another character, the evil tree of Death.
Had not all the trees be created already and were good and blessed? Had not male and female already been created?
Obviously, one of the stories is a LIE. They cannot both be true.
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The most important thing to remember is to not place your faith in a book but upon Jesus.
If you believe the Bible is perfect and all knowing you might as well be worshiping a golden calf because your faith is in the material not the spiritual. If Jesus was here today he would kick over the offering plate burn the Bibles and go to a bar to teach those who are looking for answers in a bottle.
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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THE FIRST CHAPTER GOD IS SPEAKING BY FAITH, HE SPOKE THE CREATION INTO EXISTENCE, CHAPTER 2 HE COMMANDS HIS SPOKEN WORD TO BECOME REALITY!
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Why would he speak if there was no one to listen? Wouldn't 'he' have just 'thought' things into existence? And if he did 'speak' who was there to repeat the experience?
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


Man is so ignorant its appalling
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And most of the time it is those who accuse others of this that are the most ignorant.
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Jehovah, "let us make man in our image"

He is talking to his Son, Jesus, who is the firstborn of all creation.
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Hey, look, if you people insist on talking about Jesus and Christians, please go and start your own thread. They have not even been invented yet. Are you dense or what?
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"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)


hmmm...



"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
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You sure Abraham was a man?
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If you want real differences check out the christian old testement and compare it with the Hebrew. The creation stories are just stories, even to a believer. We are all stardust anyway
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How about SOMEONE explain this one?

John 9:17

"They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha."

Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem.

Then in Revelations 11:8

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23754089


You are definitely missing something.

Prophecy in the Bible does not always refer to literal objects, friend. In this case, Sodom and Egypt are symbolic representation of what Jerusalem had become at the time of Jesus' first advent. Jerusalem had become Sodom and Egypt in the sense that the corruption and evil which existed in those two cities in antiquity existed at the time Jesus was crucified.

It is the type and anti-type. Look up what this means :)
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


I agree, so let's hear your interpretation of what the fruit (apple) and tree in genesis really represent? Because I don't believe we are all damned to hell from someone eating a peice of fruit. Please enlighten me.
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Jehovah, "let us make man in our image"

He is talking to his Son, Jesus, who is the firstborn of all creation.
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Hey dingleberry, you might learn something if you stick with the thread. There ain't NO Jehovah or Jesus in it. These characters have not been invented yet.
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This is what happens when you have ignorance and the inclination to refute the bible join together.

Just because you THINK there is a contradiction or do not understand something does not mean there is a problem with the text maybe the problem is with you, after all do you know everything? Those who would rather NOT believe the bible don't hesitate to turn against it when they think they have found such dilemmas.

Been there done that and now know better...

In the end people will believe what they WANT to believe

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This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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Re: Absolute proof the Bible is a LIE.
Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories.

Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories.

Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

 Quoting: Aleph Tav


Instead of reposting the same thing time and time again, you would be better off in searching the Bible for yourself with a heart that is hungering and thirsting for truth and righteousness, and God would reveal to you the truth of the matter. The problem is not that these are contradiction but that men misinterpret what they read.
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Jehovah, "let us make man in our image"

He is talking to his Son, Jesus, who is the firstborn of all creation.
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Hey dingleberry, you might learn something if you stick with the thread. There ain't NO Jehovah or Jesus in it. These characters have not been invented yet.
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True!

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There are far too many contradictions to focus on just one. If we look at Genesis alone there are enough contradictions to keep everyone busy forever. If you compare Genesis to a New testament book it expands even further into dissonance.
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how about the last words of jesus. Out of the four gospels, mark and luke say one thing, mathew says another and john says another.
mark and luke "my god my god why have you forsaken me"
mathew "I commit my spirit to you father"
John " it is finished"
These are from memory so not totally correct, but how could the authors of the gospels get the last words incorrect, unless they were make the shit up.
It's a story.
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Yes there are 2 creation stories and yes many preachers DO preach about this! But stories are just that - STORIES! This shouldn't be confused with the term 'LIE'!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.

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