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Absolute proof the Bible is a LIE.

 
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This is what happens when you have ignorance and the inclination to refute the bible join together.

Just because you THINK there is a contradiction or do not understand something does not mean there is a problem with the text maybe the problem is with you, after all do you know everything? Those who would rather NOT believe the bible don't hesitate to turn against it when they think they have found such dilemmas.

Been there done that and now know better...

In the end people will believe what they WANT to believe

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As a child I to was raised the traditonal christan way. As I grew and read the Bible myself I found many contradicting issues as well. When I began to question the ministers, priets and the rest all I was told is have faith, and believe. While I am sorry I could not belief and have faith on a god who loves us then destroys us, sends us to war, makes all food for us then tells us not to eat a certain fruit. Then the churches demanding more money cause the churches need to pay their bill. Anyway I raised my children with no church, they turned out ok and I tell them it is their choice to choose what they believed, but I could not lie to them.
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The Bible was maybe (re)written or transformed by men with the purpose of opression and power. Maybe Elohim is "singular", maybe "Elohim" is plural but we've have been so weak, we have so failed, centuries after centuries, allover the same old song of perpetual decay and foolish behaviour, that it has no importance to be revealed.

Those who we name TPTB, the so-called "Elite", have managed to enslave us thank to our self-concupiscence and greedyness.
Oh brothers, we shall all be brothers, but once again, we are so desperately weak.


The most important thing told in the Bible, or in the Torah or even in the Kuran, and in all of the so called sacred books on earth, is the single message (from God, Aliens, or even Nature, as you want) of LOVE.
So few among us are able to READ, to UNDERSTAND and to APLLY the Commands.
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How about SOMEONE explain this one?

John 9:17

"They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha."

Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem.

Then in Revelations 11:8

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something?
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You are definitely missing something.

Prophecy in the Bible does not always refer to literal objects, friend. In this case, Sodom and Egypt are symbolic representation of what Jerusalem had become at the time of Jesus' first advent. Jerusalem had become Sodom and Egypt in the sense that the corruption and evil which existed in those two cities in antiquity existed at the time Jesus was crucified.

It is the type and anti-type. Look up what this means :)
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


I agree, so let's hear your interpretation of what the fruit (apple) and tree in genesis really represent? Because I don't believe we are all damned to hell from someone eating a peice of fruit. Please enlighten me.
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Genesis 1-3 are not prophecy but history. They are literal accounts of what happened.

The tree was a test of obedience and loyalty to what God had said. Sin manifests when God's Law/Word is broken. Also, there is no such thing as 'original sin'. Because of Adam & Eve's choice we inherit a sinful nature, but not theirs nor anyone else's sin. Each human being will have to answer for his own actions, and his alone.
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Thank you all for your input and kind participation.

Let's use the KISS principle and Keep It Simple Stupid.

We are discussing literature here. Hebrew writing translated into greek then latin and then into english. It is two different stories of creation.

In literature, we have what are called characters. In the first account, the hebrew elohim or Gods created everything. There had to be more than one to be Gods...could have been two or two million, it does not say. They do not even get names. They create everything, it is good and they bless it all including the human male and female and rest.
Am I correct thus far?
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GOD has messengers, however GOD created Man in his own image...

A Soul endowded creature...

Satan and 1/3 of the Fallen Angels were free to roam the earth before GOD created a Soul endowded Man....
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Shortly after this god says don't eat an apple or you'll die - they eat an apple and don't die, then when he comes back they hide behind some trees and he has to go looking for them.

Now... I'm not being funny but how the fuck can you hide from God behind a tree if he's an infinite all knowing being. If he was God it's fair to assume he's gonna kick your arse at hide and seek - he sees everything... Except... Hang on, he didn't see them eat the apple. This chancer is either not a god or at best a very incompetent one.
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Eve didn't eat a physical apple, she was seduced by Satan. Through Cain came the bloodline to corrupt the blood line Jesus would come through. That plan failed. Those of that bloodline are called Kennites.


When they were naked and realized it, God knew where they were, they was eliciting a response from them.

As for the OP he is an idiot, he has been answered. There were people here also not just Adam and Eve.
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Perhaps he creates a special race of man.
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The most intelligent statement thus far.
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.

In other words, absolute proof one should think before he speaks.
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Yes, elohim is plural. Any hebrew word with im on the end is plural. But, how do you explain this Lord God that pops up in 2:4 and makes dust man. Elohim already made man, did he not?
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There were evidently people here before Adam. Remember Cain's banishment? He took for him a wife from the Kingdom of Nod. Non Adamic peeps sounds like to me.
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How about SOMEONE explain this one?

John 9:17

"They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha."

Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem.

Then in Revelations 11:8

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23754089


You are definitely missing something.

Prophecy in the Bible does not always refer to literal objects, friend. In this case, Sodom and Egypt are symbolic representation of what Jerusalem had become at the time of Jesus' first advent. Jerusalem had become Sodom and Egypt in the sense that the corruption and evil which existed in those two cities in antiquity existed at the time Jesus was crucified.

It is the type and anti-type. Look up what this means :)
 Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness


I agree, so let's hear your interpretation of what the fruit (apple) and tree in genesis really represent? Because I don't believe we are all damned to hell from someone eating a peice of fruit. Please enlighten me.
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It says in plain language the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Before we ate of the tree we simply existed once we had the corruption of believing in good and evil we were destined to suffer at our own hand.
Anyone who teaches the Bible or their interpretation of good and evil is sharing the fruit and just as guilty as Eve thereby shall be punished by death delivered by God .
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O.K. I see people saying that Jesus created everyone and that God created the Universe. So in Genesis when it says the sons of God married the daughters of man it is not referring to the sons of God but the sons of Jesus which would be the grandsons of God right? So why do they call them the sons of God and not the sons of Jesus? Why does Genesis not name names and call the singular God that created man Jesus? It takes a lot of time to give a very precise lineage of the children of Adam. If the children of Adam are important enough to be named why not the son of God?
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This sons of God is bene ha elohim. This reference is to a direct creation of God, this term is used of Angels. This is the whole creation of the Nephilim, the Giants. This is why throughout history we have all these cultures that have stories of the demi-gods, half human half god.
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Hey, outdoorsman, the OP may be an idiot but at least he sticks to the story and the characters thus far. Too bad you cannot.
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How about SOMEONE explain this one?

John 9:17

"They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha."

Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem.

Then in Revelations 11:8

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23754089


The people would have known John meant Jerusalem. It was "symbolically" equated with Sodom for its corruption and wickedness, and Egypt for its oppression of God's Covenant people. Funny how someone has an issue over 2,000 years later.
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how about the last words of jesus. Out of the four gospels, mark and luke say one thing, mathew says another and john says another.
mark and luke "my god my god why have you forsaken me"
mathew "I commit my spirit to you father"
John " it is finished"
These are from memory so not totally correct, but how could the authors of the gospels get the last words incorrect, unless they were make the shit up.
It's a story.
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Only ink on paper.
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God killed over two million.

Satan, with God's permission, killed ten..

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As we see in the story of Job Satan needs God permission to perform his plans so I would say God actually aided in killing two million in the Bible and ten people because Satan can kill no one on his own
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Please, in these first words the character Satan has not even appeared yet. But it does say that the Gods made male and female in their own image. Then they rested. Along comes a totally new character called the Lord God and makes a dust man and then a woman out of his rib. If this is not Absolute proof of a LIE, I do not know what is.
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You don't know what you are reading.

Lesser light created to rule the night on the 4rth day is the Adversary.
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This is what happens when you have ignorance and the inclination to refute the bible join together.

Just because you THINK there is a contradiction or do not understand something does not mean there is a problem with the text maybe the problem is with you, after all do you know everything? Those who would rather NOT believe the bible don't hesitate to turn against it when they think they have found such dilemmas.

Been there done that and now know better...

In the end people will believe what they WANT to believe

 Quoting: Veresanctus


instead of getting defensive. if you were a "good" christian you'd spend less time "judging" (which the bible is clear about) and do more explaining. To save your "brother" from eternal damnation in hell, now wouldn't you?

the problem is Christians cherry pick verses that are suppose to be taken literally to serve their belief system, and then substitute ones that make absolutely no fucking sense and say, oh that's just symbolic, you're not suppose to take that literally.

I believe the bible has tons of useful information, most esoteric, and all the other shit was changed in 325 AD to serve another rather obvious purpose.
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Hey, outdoorsman, the OP may be an idiot but at least he sticks to the story and the characters thus far. Too bad you cannot.
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To bad you do know know what you are reading....but then again, neither did the translators.
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I wouldn't say the Bible is a lie. I believe mans interpretation of the Bible is off in many areas.
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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Only the authentic wisdom of kabbalah can explain this because it is all about the inner self (spiritual world)...Don't believe me and go find out for yourself...Good Luck...churchlady
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As a Hebrew speaking Jew I've known about this since I was a child. There are THREE different creation stories in genesis but first is creation of the world, second of lower man (neanderthals) and third of higher man.

Also the Tower of Bable is talking about Atlantis and is out of place.

There is plenty of archeological evidence around the world that the flood happened at the time of the fall of Atlantis. Little ice ages ending will cause floods.

None of this means that the Bible lies, but it has been altered a lot over the years to suit men in power.
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All religious books have lies in them, that's the point of those long ago and those currently teaching these lies, to keep people under control.
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The creation of the entire universe and billions upon billions of galaxies is mapped out in just Genesis 1:1-10.

That's it. That's all you need.


After genesis 9 is when this earth (all planets) appear onto the scene.

The gathered waters and appearance of dry-land is the precipitation of a galactic core that explodes hot plasmas into creation making elements, stars, planets, etc.


Oh and the first sentence of the bible is actually spoken "In a beginning created the Gods of the heavens and the (God of the) earth."
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For those that are simply too lazy to go read for themselves-

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Is it written that God said something in this passage? In literature when a character says something they put these little marks there " ". Look at the passage. Can you see these little marks where God said something? Who was this God character speaking to? It couldn't be the male and female could it? Were they spirits or flesh and blood? Is it OK to smoke pot when all the preachers from the pulpit call it evil. It is illegal, even. Read verse 29. Duh.
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Listen, OP, it's not going to work. Give it up. Let me explain why:

The highest ranking thread of all time on GLP is "I am a Extra Terrestrial++ Ask me a Question And i Will Respond" thread. The main guy of this thread, "ST in BG", claims to be an alien, and has all these answers. Did you know he even has the name "Star Traveler" on his actual state license? Yet this thread is the highest ranking thread of all time on GLP. It continues popularity, and people flock to this guy for answers to questions despite the fact that he is clearly a fucking mental shitwad. Why? Because he has "answers". His answers are fucking retarded, and he talks like a complete imbecile, but people still flock to it, simply because he provides "answers". The fact that he's clearly a complete fucking mental case doesn't even seem to phase people from flocking to the guy.

It's just like religion.

People do not believe their holy books because their holy books are logical or make sense or are true. They only believe the books because they seek "answers" to lifes hard questions that they aren't willing to do themselves. Science? Science asks questions. Asking more questions isn't enough for them. They don't want more questions, they want "answers". Even if it means believing a fairy tale. It comforts them, gives their limited intellect something to grasp onto.

Just don't even fucking bother. It's a waste of time. The only thing you can do is hope that some day these people will actually come to their senses and realize that they're a part of a mass delusion.
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Thank you all for your input and kind participation.

Let's use the KISS principle and Keep It Simple Stupid.

We are discussing literature here. Hebrew writing translated into greek then latin and then into english. It is two different stories of creation.

In literature, we have what are called characters. In the first account, the hebrew elohim or Gods created everything. There had to be more than one to be Gods...could have been two or two million, it does not say. They do not even get names. They create everything, it is good and they bless it all including the human male and female and rest.
Am I correct thus far?
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GOD has messengers, however GOD created Man in his own image...A Soul endowded creature...

Satan and 1/3 of the Fallen Angels were free to roam the earth before GOD created a Soul endowded Man....
 Quoting: christian


If correct, then god would of been an hermaphrodite and made man in his image.

Remember; later the woman was taken out of man.

So the ink on paper says.

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All religious books have lies in them, that's the point of those long ago and those currently teaching these lies, to keep people under control.
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Or to hide truth in plain site so that profane minds would not understand, or be able to trample it and thusly destroy themselves.
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Funny you post this, I was walked out of church after asking about this in sunday school years ago, Never been back, If you want to piss off the preacher ask him about the two completely different creation stories in Genesis slaphim
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Listen, OP, it's not going to work. Give it up. Let me explain why:

The highest ranking thread of all time on GLP is "I am a Extra Terrestrial++ Ask me a Question And i Will Respond" thread. The main guy of this thread, "ST in BG", claims to be an alien, and has all these answers. Did you know he even has the name "Star Traveler" on his actual state license? Yet this thread is the highest ranking thread of all time on GLP. It continues popularity, and people flock to this guy for answers to questions despite the fact that he is clearly a fucking mental shitwad. Why? Because he has "answers". His answers are fucking retarded, and he talks like a complete imbecile, but people still flock to it, simply because he provides "answers". The fact that he's clearly a complete fucking mental case doesn't even seem to phase people from flocking to the guy.

It's just like religion.

People do not believe their holy books because their holy books are logical or make sense or are true. They only believe the books because they seek "answers" to lifes hard questions that they aren't willing to do themselves. Science? Science asks questions. Asking more questions isn't enough for them. They don't want more questions, they want "answers". Even if it means believing a fairy tale. It comforts them, gives their limited intellect something to grasp onto.

Just don't even fucking bother. It's a waste of time. The only thing you can do is hope that some day these people will actually come to their senses and realize that they're a part of a mass delusion.
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i read the first 50 pages or so of the bible not too long ago and other than the names being hard to pronounce I understood it all very well, I do not recall there being a contradiction in the first 50 pages.

Let me just say this:

If you believe in God, the heavenly father, creator of heaven and earth, and everything on it, in it, around it, then nothing else matters really.... ya see, I believe in God, and not because my parents made me go to church every sunday when I was a kid, not because I attended CCD (a once a week class that teaches my religion) not because the Bible says this or that.... I believe in God because I do. From my own personal experiences in life, my own observations, I decided long ago that there HAS to be a God, I have had some pretty wild experiences and there is no doubt in my mind that God exists. Call him what you want, call your religion what you want, I never cared too much for any of the gibber jabber, I said it before and i'll say it again, we all laugh the same, we all cry the same, and there is so much more to life than any one of us could possibly comprehend....just be happy you are living this tangible life, where you can explore, and learn, and laugh and love and live how you wish!

Who cares if the bible contradicts itself (and i have not seen this) ... who cares if you don't believe in God and you think an extra-terrestrial made us, who cares if you don't believe in ufo's and you think we evolved from apes and there is no god or aliens or anything after life, just death, who cares?

I believe what I want to believe, I have faith, I feel it in my bones, and I wish you the best my friend. Believing is believing because you don't know, you just have faith and believe.

if the Bible is a lie, that is cool, doesn't change one thing I feel or think or believe.

peace out

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