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Absolute proof the Bible is a LIE.

 
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JEHOVAH God, our Father's first creation *was* Jesus. Jesus, with and through God's willingness, was able to use Jehovah's "active force" (holy ghost if you will), to create us.

God created the platform -

Psalm 33:6
The LORD merely spoke, and the heavens were created. He breathed the word, and all the stars were born.

Jesus worked with God -

Genesis 1:2
The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Colossians 1:15-18
More on the importance of Jesus, but note, he is not JEHOVAH -

5 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.


John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

and finally, Jesus Christ -


Proverbs 8:21-31

New International Version (NIV)

21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.

22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[a]
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly[c] at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

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Jesus IS Jehovah.
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Funny you post this, I was walked out of church after asking about this in sunday school years ago, Never been back, If you want to piss off the preacher ask him about the two completely different creation stories in Genesis slaphim
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Because they do not know what they are reading.

Plus most only have belief. Few have a working living faith.

Yes there is a major difference, no faith is not really really really strong belief to the point of total ignorance to all else.
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As a Hebrew speaking Jew I've known about this since I was a child. There are THREE different creation stories in genesis but first is creation of the world, second of lower man (neanderthals) and third of higher man.

Also the Tower of Bable is talking about Atlantis and is out of place.

There is plenty of archeological evidence around the world that the flood happened at the time of the fall of Atlantis. Little ice ages ending will cause floods.

None of this means that the Bible lies, but it has been altered a lot over the years to suit men in power.
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Which would point to the Chaldean Flood Tablets and Epic of Gilgamesh not Noah correct? So another words Noah was a bootleg copy of another story.
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As a Hebrew speaking Jew I've known about this since I was a child. There are THREE different creation stories in genesis but first is creation of the world, second of lower man (neanderthals) and third of higher man.

Also the Tower of Bable is talking about Atlantis and is out of place.

There is plenty of archeological evidence around the world that the flood happened at the time of the fall of Atlantis. Little ice ages ending will cause floods.

None of this means that the Bible lies, but it has been altered a lot over the years to suit men in power.
 Quoting: Entil Zha Sigma


But, Entil Zha Sigma, the Bible was written by a MAN named Moishe. Was Moishe there when God said... It is called LITERATURE. Got it? If indeed, my good man, it has been altered over the years to suit men in power then without any shadow of a doubt you have proved my theorem that IT IS A LIE. Case closed with help of a Jew who speaks hebrew.
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Jehovah, "let us make man in our image"

He is talking to his Son, Jesus, who is the firstborn of all creation.
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Hey dingleberry, you might learn something if you stick with the thread. There ain't NO Jehovah or Jesus in it. These characters have not been invented yet.
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OP is a TROLL, he is obviously not looking for answers, just trollin'
"Life is tough, it's tougher if you are stupid." - John Wayne

I can write AND read cursive.
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Please, take your Jesus and Jehovah and John and GO AWAY. They have not been introduced as characters yet and there ain't NO J IN THE HEBREW ALPHABET. More absolute proof of the great LIE.
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Op, I will pray for you. as the most important message in the bible is that GOD loves you and sent HIS SON to save you. I am sure that is too hard for someone like you to understand, but it is true.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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Heb 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of thing hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."


Faith is a personal experience of the Deity that constitutes PROOF! This is how the disciples and Jesus used the word.


Now guess why the modern usage and definition is diametrically opposite.....can't have people seeking/having actual experiences of Truth right?
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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You know what I find amazing? That folks like you seem to be so terribly interested in what Christians believe. I don't think I've spent so much as ten minutes caring about what those like you believe.

Do as you like! Believe what you like but..

find something more productive to do than stir up potty between folks.
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QNo you're wrong. There has always been the Godhead together, 3 entities, one in purpose and all very much God... Father, Son and holy spirit
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Please, take your Jesus and Jehovah and John and GO AWAY. They have not been introduced as characters yet and there ain't NO J IN THE HEBREW ALPHABET. More absolute proof of the great LIE.
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laugh


Mexicans call this thing a "basura" and I call it a trash can.....this object is a LIE!!!
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As a child I to was raised the traditonal christan way. As I grew and read the Bible myself I found many contradicting issues as well. When I began to question the ministers, priets and the rest all I was told is have faith, and believe. While I am sorry I could not belief and have faith on a god who loves us then destroys us, sends us to war, makes all food for us then tells us not to eat a certain fruit. Then the churches demanding more money cause the churches need to pay their bill. Anyway I raised my children with no church, they turned out ok and I tell them it is their choice to choose what they believed, but I could not lie to them.
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Yeah, me too. And this has been going on for thousands of years. At least we can talk about it today without being burned at the stake or tortured. But worse than you,lad, mama raised me as a Jehovah's Witness and made me peddle magazines door to door.
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Shortly after this god says don't eat an apple or you'll die - they eat an apple and don't die, then when he comes back they hide behind some trees and he has to go looking for them.

Now... I'm not being funny but how the fuck can you hide from God behind a tree if he's an infinite all knowing being. If he was God it's fair to assume he's gonna kick your arse at hide and seek - he sees everything... Except... Hang on, he didn't see them eat the apple. This chancer is either not a god or at best a very incompetent one.
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They were meant to live eternally, and God said they would die. They are dead are they not?
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QNo you're wrong. There has always been the Godhead together, 3 entities, one in purpose and all very much God... Father, Son and holy spirit
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God the Father is a bubble, God the Son is a beebee, God the Holy Spirit is a snowflake.


Can anyone discern the mystery???
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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Not a contradiction. The Infinite Being manifesting as different bodies/body for the purposes of creation and order. The first is the creation of the universal order. The first "earth" is not this planet, it is the first orb of real matter out of the infinite. The Logos.

“The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to those, You want to know my name? I am called according to my actions. When I judge the creatures I am Elohim, and when I have mercy with My world, I am named YHVH” (Ex R. 3:6).

I could explain it all to you if you were interested in actual Knowing.

If you want to continue to scoff at something you obviously do not understand. I will be on my way.
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Were did you get the "The first "earth" is not this planet, it is the first orb of real matter out of the infinite. The Logos." information?
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Heb 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of thing hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Faith is a personal experience of the Deity that constitutes PROOF! This is how the disciples and Jesus used the word.


Now guess why the modern usage and definition is diametrically opposite.....can't have people seeking/having actual experiences of Truth right?
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Amazing that people are so brainwashed, that the only thing they have to hold on too is an Ink and paper faith.
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Jeremiah 3:12: ... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever.

hmm....



Jeremiah 17:4: Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Romans 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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Op, I will pray for you. as the most important message in the bible is that GOD loves you and sent HIS SON to save you. I am sure that is too hard for someone like you to understand, but it is true.
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Thank you for your concern about me. It touches me deeply.

Which God are you gonna pray to, the elohim in Genesis 1:1 or the Lord God coming out in 2:4? I would prefer the elohim. The other one came up with evil and death and all sorts of rules and regulations including human sacrifice as exemplified by his son.

I like the elohim and do not forget that that God was first and gave us all seed bearing herbs.
Thanks.
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It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man.
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oh, cut that out. youre making that up.

the first creation was all spoken into being(this would appear to man to have happened all on its own). the first creation was neandertal. the second creation was man and the clean animals. man was formed from the dust of the earth. the first man(neandertal) was created both male and female. the second creation was made a man and then a female was created from his flesh. the female was called the mother of all living. this man adam(sons of god) took the daughters of men(neandertal) to wife. this produced hybrid giant offspring. this led to the flood being necessary.
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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Romans 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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James 2:4 He who sittith upon a hot stove shall quickly rise.
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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applause2
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the bible = a lot of myth plus a lot of nonsense with a few historical facts and wishful thinking thrown in.
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Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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Ge:1:2:
And the earth was without form,
and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Ge:1:26:
And God said,
Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle,
and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge:1:27:
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.

The 'us' in Vs:26 is God and the Holy Spirit, likeness is bodily form including the number of fingers and toes. Image is the relationship between God and the Holy Spirit, more or less Husband and Wife in that they are also one flesh.
Ge:1 is God's witness of creation, Ge: is from the view of the Holy Spirit, the witness of their child Christ is given in Proverbs 8. Would you like to meet the parents of God and the Holy Spirit at some point in eternity?
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The amusing thing here is that the text does not say "Spirit" it says Ruach which comes from the Sumerian RU. A.

Which directly translated is STARSHIP!

Even the Vatican admits this.
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Were did you get the "The first "earth" is not this planet, it is the first orb of real matter out of the infinite. The Logos." information?
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Glad you asked!

I have mapped the universe as a fractal stack of specific charge/flow objects in order that unfolds the qualities of the Infinite into finite structures in relative space (a universe). Sacred "3d" arithmetic. The Lost Art. The One Holy Science.

This shape stack is also directly attributable to the structures of the human body. Also in exact order.

I found the shape flow stack after about 15 years of independent study. Then much to my surprise and non-surprise found the same equation in just Genesis chapter one verses 1-10.

I have found the mystery underneath the words.
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Second time around were the jin and yoslings I gather. Lilith and eve.

They still trying to off the remaining few "children of god", from what I gather from other text. They somehow believe they are the "children of god" now.

But hey, cant we all just get along.....
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Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested.

Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story.

How is this possible?

Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after?

Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it.
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The problem you're having is that you're taking the story literally, it's a parable not to be taken literally.

Then you go further and fuck up what you actually read: You write that a brand new God singular makes man. This is incorrect as the text clearly has the Yahwehs talking to each other and saying " Let us make man in our image".

These were not God, these were archons... A demiurge was in charge...

If I ask you who built Trump Tower your automatic answer would be Donald Trump...But this isn't so is it? There were thousands of construction workers involved weren't there?

Yeah, you need to read it again and see what the author was trying to tell you...Its all there, you see that the Yahwehs were not omniscient from the very beginning...

The bible isn't a big lie...Its a bunch of stuff trying to explain what happened in the past in mankinds encounters with superior beings in the middle east. Just as the sumerian stories are the tales of their encounter with superior beings....You juts have to study it all and you'll find some semblance of what actually happened... In my studies I find that Canaan ties it all together... You start in sumer and end up in Canaan and from there the Hebrew version is given birth as the conflated the Canaan stories with Yahweh...

Enjoy
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This has been a lively discussion thus far and it seems that the proof is in. It is a LIE. Two different creation stories with different characters. And to think I always Hated Literature class in school!!!
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Heb 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of thing hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Faith is a personal experience of the Deity that constitutes PROOF! This is how the disciples and Jesus used the word.


Now guess why the modern usage and definition is diametrically opposite.....can't have people seeking/having actual experiences of Truth right?
 Quoting: Truth 908143


Amazing that people are so brainwashed, that the only thing they have to hold on too is an Ink and paper faith.
 Quoting: INSIDERS VIEW


Which is not faith, it is only belief and can only ever be belief.

Faith as a "gift from God" is an experience of the Reality of the Deity. And belief no longer operates as such because now you have personal proof.

Belief is what a man thinks to be true
Faith is what a man knows to be true.
Fruition is Man and Truth as One.
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This has been a lively discussion thus far and it seems that the proof is in. It is a LIE. Two different creation stories with different characters. And to think I always Hated Literature class in school!!!
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laugh

You also do not have proof, you have poorly informed conjecture aka belief.