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Anyone reading this,

Google "methylenedioxypyrovalerone", and "death toll" or "danger".

It should be revealing. Don't listen to the talking heads kids.
 Quoting: pi



Sorry but I watched my brother go form making 6 figures to homeless because of this stuff.

He was 100% blacked out for over three weeks and that was just what he admited to. He ended up with an esophageal hemorrhage. He ripped his skin off his chest in sheets to get the "bugs out". He chewed most his tongue off & his teath fell out. Destroyed his home, called the cops and handed them the drugs because he was so paranoid.

No one has seen him in a year. He looked worse than a meth addict in his mug shot. This drug took him from his kids by his own choice.

Cleveland police said he was the worst person they ever took in and that says a lot for a person who had a desk job just a few months before.

I buried a lot of people form drugs, more then I can count on all my fingers and toes together now. This stuff is worse than heroin and I know first-hand.

He started because his girlfriend went on probation and they could pass the drug tests…

I’ll also add I threw over $80k trying to clean him up…it did not work. All I can do now is take care of his kids…
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Sorry buddy, you blew it.

You have forsaken your brother.
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Worthless POS
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bsflag

Anyone reading this,

Google "methylenedioxypyrovalerone", and "death toll" or "danger".

It should be revealing. Don't listen to the talking heads kids.
 Quoting: pi



Sorry but I watched my brother go form making 6 figures to homeless because of this stuff.

He was 100% blacked out for over three weeks and that was just what he admited to. He ended up with an esophageal hemorrhage. He ripped his skin off his chest in sheets to get the "bugs out". He chewed most his tongue off & his teath fell out. Destroyed his home, called the cops and handed them the drugs because he was so paranoid.

No one has seen him in a year. He looked worse than a meth addict in his mug shot. This drug took him from his kids by his own choice.

Cleveland police said he was the worst person they ever took in and that says a lot for a person who had a desk job just a few months before.

I buried a lot of people form drugs, more then I can count on all my fingers and toes together now. This stuff is worse than heroin and I know first-hand.

He started because his girlfriend went on probation and they could pass the drug tests…

I’ll also add I threw over $80k trying to clean him up…it did not work. All I can do now is take care of his kids…
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Sorry to hear about your brother..he is lucky to have you in his life. Hope the kids are doing well..where is their mother if you don't mind me asking.
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Sorry to hear about your brother..he is lucky to have you in his life. Hope the kids are doing well..where is their mother if you don't mind me asking.
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One is 19 and going to college now and doing good. She was not there when he lost it, she got sick of him early and moved out as soon as she could. She has an amazing mother.

The other I hired a lawyer to represent her because my brother was collecting child support and using that money for drugs. She is now living with her Mom “different mother form the first child”.

But we still had thanksgiving and Christmas at our house. I am trying to just keep all the grandkids together as a family like they had been for the last 15+years. With grandma passing just after he got arrested it really broke things up from what the normal holiday structure was for all the kids, they always all stayed at grandmas for the holidays together.

Too easy to let them drift apart, I think it is important to keep the traditions alive. + Her mother had a mental breakdown just after she was born, she only recently got her act together. So I keep a very close eye on them both.


Thanks all for the sympathy, I realized last night I still wear this whole thing on my sleeve and have not even yet mourned the loss of my mother let alone the stress from the loss of my still living brother. It was all a true tragedy and the wife and I are the only one left to keep an entire generation of our family together.
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Sorry to hear about your brother..he is lucky to have you in his life. Hope the kids are doing well..where is their mother if you don't mind me asking.
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One is 19 and going to college now and doing good. She was not there when he lost it, she got sick of him early and moved out as soon as she could. She has an amazing mother.

The other I hired a lawyer to represent her because my brother was collecting child support and using that money for drugs. She is now living with her Mom “different mother form the first child”.

But we still had thanksgiving and Christmas at our house. I am trying to just keep all the grandkids together as a family like they had been for the last 15+years. With grandma passing just after he got arrested it really broke things up from what the normal holiday structure was for all the kids, they always all stayed at grandmas for the holidays together.

Too easy to let them drift apart, I think it is important to keep the traditions alive. + Her mother had a mental breakdown just after she was born, she only recently got her act together. So I keep a very close eye on them both.


Thanks all for the sympathy, I realized last night I still wear this whole thing on my sleeve and have not even yet mourned the loss of my mother let alone the stress from the loss of my still living brother. It was all a true tragedy and the wife and I are the only one left to keep an entire generation of our family together.
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lucky yer there then chrit :)
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The whole "freakanomics" aspect of this horrible mess is typical for the drug war.

Lets reduce water use in some 3rd world country by demonizing their recreational drug of choice-and end up with somebody here blowing up a nuclear submarine because we triggered an interest the previously unknown drug...

What's wrong with teaching them agricultural techniches that use less water? Or helping them develop strains of Khat that use less water? Or putting the plant under state control and regulating and taxing it....
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Anyone reading this,

Google "methylenedioxypyrovalerone", and "death toll" or "danger".

It should be revealing. Don't listen to the talking heads kids.
 Quoting: pi



Sorry but I watched my brother go form making 6 figures to homeless because of this stuff.

He was 100% blacked out for over three weeks and that was just what he admited to. He ended up with an esophageal hemorrhage. He ripped his skin off his chest in sheets to get the "bugs out". He chewed most his tongue off & his teath fell out. Destroyed his home, called the cops and handed them the drugs because he was so paranoid.

No one has seen him in a year. He looked worse than a meth addict in his mug shot. This drug took him from his kids by his own choice.

Cleveland police said he was the worst person they ever took in and that says a lot for a person who had a desk job just a few months before.

I buried a lot of people form drugs, more then I can count on all my fingers and toes together now. This stuff is worse than heroin and I know first-hand.

He started because his girlfriend went on probation and they could pass the drug tests…

I’ll also add I threw over $80k trying to clean him up…it did not work. All I can do now is take care of his kids…
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Sorry buddy, you blew it.

You have forsaken your brother.
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Worthless POS
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Read the thread before you deal out your red thumbs to me, thanks.

I have already apologized several times, and via PM, for my aggressive initial characterization.

Seriously.
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Read the thread before you deal out your red thumbs to me, thanks.

I have already apologized several times, and via PM, for my aggressive initial characterization.

Seriously.
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He did apologize and apology accepted.
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I know Synthetic Pot is pretty big in the military, like HUGE. Waiting for it to pop up, my boy that was in for 10 years says it's like cigs.
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It is considered more dependence liable than cannabis.

And yes, it shouldn't be long before that's a GLP hot button... LOL
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Ugh,I hate that shit. The buzz lasts about 20-30 minutes, so if you're looking to keep a buzz longer, no thanks. And on top of that, I've had multiple panic attacks from that shit. And what's worse, that's the first thing I've had in front of me that was really HARD to turn down if it was there. Even though I'd never pay for that half-ass, more-trouble-than-it's-worth buzz, I've lived with people who would, and I'm glad as hell they no longer do, because I told them more than once... I don't like it, but it's very hard to turn down if I'm offered it. I would never spend my money on it, because it's not worth it to me. Long story short, everyone I live with but me has court coming up for that shit. Don't even play. Synthetic Pot is crap. While the high can be stronger, it is so short-lived... meh.
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Its all the policy makers faults, give them the thumbs down.

They made it so people trying to avoid drug testing end up abusing much more dangerous drugs than they would ever consider normally.

They make it so relatively benign natural plant drugs are interdicted, while dirty chemicals flow freely.

(pointless waste of human life as dictated by clueless pencil neck policy geeks-the drug war kills real people, every day)

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I know Synthetic Pot is pretty big in the military, like HUGE. Waiting for it to pop up, my boy that was in for 10 years says it's like cigs.
 Quoting: Blow That Whistle Baby


It is considered more dependence liable than cannabis.

And yes, it shouldn't be long before that's a GLP hot button... LOL
 Quoting: pi



Ugh,I hate that shit. The buzz lasts about 20-30 minutes, so if you're looking to keep a buzz longer, no thanks. And on top of that, I've had multiple panic attacks from that shit. And what's worse, that's the first thing I've had in front of me that was really HARD to turn down if it was there. Even though I'd never pay for that half-ass, more-trouble-than-it's-worth buzz, I've lived with people who would, and I'm glad as hell they no longer do, because I told them more than once... I don't like it, but it's very hard to turn down if I'm offered it. I would never spend my money on it, because it's not worth it to me. Long story short, everyone I live with but me has court coming up for that shit. Don't even play. Synthetic Pot is crap. While the high can be stronger, it is so short-lived... meh.
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Agreed mate. Many share this sentiment to the letter.
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Sorry to hear about your brother..he is lucky to have you in his life. Hope the kids are doing well..where is their mother if you don't mind me asking.
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One is 19 and going to college now and doing good. She was not there when he lost it, she got sick of him early and moved out as soon as she could. She has an amazing mother.

The other I hired a lawyer to represent her because my brother was collecting child support and using that money for drugs. She is now living with her Mom “different mother form the first child”.

But we still had thanksgiving and Christmas at our house. I am trying to just keep all the grandkids together as a family like they had been for the last 15+years. With grandma passing just after he got arrested it really broke things up from what the normal holiday structure was for all the kids, they always all stayed at grandmas for the holidays together.

Too easy to let them drift apart, I think it is important to keep the traditions alive. + Her mother had a mental breakdown just after she was born, she only recently got her act together. So I keep a very close eye on them both.


Thanks all for the sympathy, I realized last night I still wear this whole thing on my sleeve and have not even yet mourned the loss of my mother let alone the stress from the loss of my still living brother. It was all a true tragedy and the wife and I are the only one left to keep an entire generation of our family together.
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You are a wonderful person. I wish there were more like you.
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I know Synthetic Pot is pretty big in the military, like HUGE. Waiting for it to pop up, my boy that was in for 10 years says it's like cigs.
 Quoting: Blow That Whistle Baby


It is considered more dependence liable than cannabis.

And yes, it shouldn't be long before that's a GLP hot button... LOL
 Quoting: pi



Ugh,I hate that shit. The buzz lasts about 20-30 minutes, so if you're looking to keep a buzz longer, no thanks. And on top of that, I've had multiple panic attacks from that shit. And what's worse, that's the first thing I've had in front of me that was really HARD to turn down if it was there. Even though I'd never pay for that half-ass, more-trouble-than-it's-worth buzz, I've lived with people who would, and I'm glad as hell they no longer do, because I told them more than once... I don't like it, but it's very hard to turn down if I'm offered it. I would never spend my money on it, because it's not worth it to me. Long story short, everyone I live with but me has court coming up for that shit. Don't even play. Synthetic Pot is crap. While the high can be stronger, it is so short-lived... meh.
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Agreed mate. Many share this sentiment to the letter.
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Yeah, roommate thought it would be legal since they sold it in the store and it had a dea-compliant sticker on it. Not enough to keep him and my spouse from winding up with court in march over it, because they had it sitting right on the seat and told the cop that pulled them over to go ahead and search the car. Even the police sargeant didn't know if it was legal or not, and they had to consult a bunch of crap just... gah, what a nightmare.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's a time and a place for everything, but me... I don't smoke anything but cigarettes and pot. I've seen too many people in my family ruin their lives because of lack of self control. I am not the type of person to gladly or willingly do that to myself, so I'm glad that things blew out earlier rather than later, at least I know they shit won't be offered to me 30x a day now, as sad as it might wind up for others in the house with me.
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If we're onto synthetic cannabinoids-those can kill you.


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Myocardial Infarction Associated With Use of the Synthetic Cannabinoid K2

Another drug that only exists because people want to get around drug tests. Nobody would take that crap in preference to a good kush.

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I cant believe how much the word DRUG puts fear into the everyday person. Reading threw this thread with all the irrational anti drug dribble and sappy stories irritates me to no end.

What is classified as a drug anyway. Is it the items our government say are bad and you cant have. Is it the stuff we get from Dr's. what about the ones you can buy at a pharmacy. what about alcohol? is chocolate a drug because that gets people addicted and will kill them.


Do you really think drugs make people go crazy, or were these people crazy way before the drugs. When people have a fucking eating problem and grow so big they cant fit threw a door do you blame the food, or was that person just a lazy fat ass that couldn't stop throwing Twinkies in his face. An individuals actions are solely the actions of the individual. Its not the drugs they killed themselves with, or the car they drove too fast, or the donuts fault for there behavior. It was there own fucking fault. Stop placing blame on "things" and start blaming people.

The only thing that can let people make the right decisions about anything is education. You were taught at an early age that fire was hot and it will burn you. You were taught that if you don't come back up from underwater you will drown. You should have also been taught that anything done in access can rune your life and kill you as well. educate your self on recreational drugs and the effects and side effects and you will learn that you can use most of them responsibly. And yes some are worse then others, education will teach you the difference.

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Anyone reading this,

Google "methylenedioxypyrovalerone", and "death toll" or "danger".

It should be revealing. Don't listen to the talking heads kids.
 Quoting: pi



Sorry but I watched my brother go form making 6 figures to homeless because of this stuff.

He was 100% blacked out for over three weeks and that was just what he admited to. He ended up with an esophageal hemorrhage. He ripped his skin off his chest in sheets to get the "bugs out". He chewed most his tongue off & his teath fell out. Destroyed his home, called the cops and handed them the drugs because he was so paranoid.

No one has seen him in a year. He looked worse than a meth addict in his mug shot. This drug took him from his kids by his own choice.

Cleveland police said he was the worst person they ever took in and that says a lot for a person who had a desk job just a few months before.

I buried a lot of people form drugs, more then I can count on all my fingers and toes together now. This stuff is worse than heroin and I know first-hand.

He started because his girlfriend went on probation and they could pass the drug tests…

I’ll also add I threw over $80k trying to clean him up…it did not work. All I can do now is take care of his kids…
 Quoting: Chrit



You're a good human being. Just thought I'd throw that out there in this world of idioticly hysterical bandwagon solutions like "Toughlove!"

There are no soloutions in my book. Human nature is what it is and no amout of laws, or behavioral modifications/punishments of ANYKIND will work until the root problem with a particular individual is discovered and addressed. And I'm not pushing the psychiatric pharma"treatments" in saying this. I'm taliking about finding out what is holding them back from being able to live in a state of reality.
I believe that some of the worst drug addicts are those who see the world for what it is most clearly, keenly so...yet lack the internal fortitude to deal with those facts that they, ironically, see far more clearly than the average schmuck who is quite happy living in a state of total ignorance or purposeful denial of the world around them, therefore not needing to alter their perceptions, or, ease the pain of knowing that they are trapped in a pretty fucked up world.

Tey have their opiate. The teevee.
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You're a good human being. Just thought I'd throw that out there in this world of idioticly hysterical bandwagon solutions like "Toughlove!"

There are no soloutions in my book. Human nature is what it is and no amout of laws, or behavioral modifications/punishments of ANYKIND will work until the root problem with a particular individual is discovered and addressed. And I'm not pushing the psychiatric pharma"treatments" in saying this. I'm taliking about finding out what is holding them back from being able to live in a state of reality.
I believe that some of the worst drug addicts are those who see the world for what it is most clearly, keenly so...yet lack the internal fortitude to deal with those facts that they, ironically, see far more clearly than the average schmuck who is quite happy living in a state of total ignorance or purposeful denial of the world around them, therefore not needing to alter their perceptions, or, ease the pain of knowing that they are trapped in a pretty fucked up world.

Tey have their opiate. The teevee.
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Well said, and I agree. You might enjoy this book it follows along nicely with what you said:


Genius and Heroin:
The Illustrated Catalogue of
Creativity, Obsession, and Reckless Abandon
Through the Ages.

Is a whale that beaches itself an act of creative self-destruction? What of the dove that soars to great heights and then for some unknown reason makes a beeline to the ground and splatters on the ground? What of the scorpion known to turn its deadly stinger on itself and die of its own venom. In nature and in the arts, there are unexplained anomalies.

From the dawn of civilization there has always been a fine line between creativity and self-destruction. An inherent compulsiveness is often required in art to master a level of original thought and superlative skill. It requires everything, some believe, even one\s own life. In Genius and Heroin I chronicled the lives of the famously talented in all fields, including writers, artists, musicians, actors, politicians, military leaders, and even scientists that entwined their genius with one of the many paths toward self-ruin.

For many, their greatness and their pain are inseparable. The price for genius and the pursuit of creativity at all costs were steep, even if it resulted with a statue in the town square, a book on the bestseller list, or a picture hanging in a museum. Whether their downfalls were from opiates, pills, alcohol, absinthe, or the slow-motion suicide of obsession, in Genius and Heroin I examined how the notoriously creative lived and died. I was fascinated with the age-old question—did genius create their torment, or was it their anguish that created their genius. When Samuel Johnson observed: A man of genius is seldom ruined but by himself, he had no idea in the variety of ways this could be achieved.

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Every Young Person in the USA should try these Bath Salts at least 50 times, then make an informed decision.

Lol.
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Every Young Person in the USA should try these Bath Salts at least 50 times, then make an informed decision.

Lol.
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That seems to be the message sent with these threads, no?

hmm

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Now that everyone has done meth because of these ads, its time to move on to new market groups:



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