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ILLINOIS to BAN 80% of ALL GUNS.... SHUT DOWN GUN RANGES * LIMIT AMMO

 
s. d. butler

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This is the test, people. This will be the model Fienstein and her group of thugs use to push through federal legislation. This shit needs to be stopped. It's completely unconstitutional.
 Quoting: <<FOCUS HARDER>>


You're right about the test, but wrong about what's being tested. The 'test' in this scenario is not whether you'll let the government take your guns. The 'test' is actually whether the government can goad you into civil disobedience by threatening to take away your guns.

A chess game is being played, and gun owners are the pawns. And they are tremendously easy to manipulate.
 Quoting: CleverMoniker 19931300


Pathetic...I have seen no civil disobedience.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Agreed... and that is how it will stay.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Here is an article for all little would be stalins and bootlickers

[link to reason.com]



Gun Restrictions Have Always Bred Defiance, Black Markets
For reasons of their own, most people, in many countries, defy anti-gun laws

J.D. Tuccille | December 22, 2012


EXCERPT



As the saying goes, I knew a guy who knew a guy. It took an email, a phone call, and a friendly meeting, and for less than 300 bucks, I was the proud owner of a semi-automatic variant of an AK-47—the famed assault rifle of the old Soviet bloc and of guerrilla fighters everywhere. It was legal in much of the United States, but strictly verboten in New York City.

And it cost me about a third of the ultimate price of that legal pistol.

As it turned out, the illicit rifle was not only cheaper and easier to obtain than the legal pistol, but the seller was much more pleasant to deal with than the cops administering the official process. The police officers at New York City’s One Police Plaza, once I actually got into the place, were flat-out rude. They weren’t abusive as much as surly in a special bureaucratic way, backed up by the implied threat that they could punish back-talk with a simple nudge of your papers into the trash can. I bit my tongue, but everybody has their own limit. A “customer” at an adjoining desk in the cramped warren stood up, announced loudly that rather than put up with this treatment he’d buy his gun on the street, then stalked from the room.

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i am not, lol.
 Quoting: davvi


I'm sure you are almost clever!

Now give me that nasty wasty gun. You might hurt your lilly willy self. Now be a good boy and give that to daddy waddy. There is a good boy.
 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283


really.. how old are you?
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Old enough to realise when you flood a society with firearms then things will start going bang way too often.
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and when you flood a civilized people with a third world alien culture what happens?
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You are an idiot. And obviously a bigot.
 Quoting: tandym


you practice saying that to strangers, while youare standing in front of your mirror, and have now brain-washed your wee, wrinkled brain?

Or is it just your dyslexia kicking up?

Try to come up with something original next time, you silly parrot.

Polly want a cracker?

Here ya gobattleflag
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Your ignorance shows through your patchwork of rhetoric.

The Rebel flag, btw, had nothing to do with slavery... there was a separate flag for that. Look it up.

Also, I am from Wisconsin as pretty much everyone on this site knows. So flinging your backwater mud at me slides right off as I don't identify with the stereotype you are trying to paint me as.
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rockon if it was about "slavery" ask a black...you feel free for a 150 or more years? it was about so much more than that
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Now it's about something completely different.
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Wonderful news! Me and my friends here in Ireland rejoice for you . A step nearer to a more peaceful and socialist nation. Well done Illinois!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1813536


Americans as a whole are far too invested into the systems of support, comforts, and social interaction.

Unfortunately, these weaknesses provide all the necessary leverage that would ever be needed.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


I think you are out of touch...
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Yea you are probably right Americans wont give up all these things, 95% wont. but the 5% that are willing to fight and die for something that you have no fucking clue about so im not even going to try and explain it to you will prevail, i have no doubt. Its people like you that have destroyed this once great country. Spineless, no sense of honor or loyalty.
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Disarm the sheep dogs and watch crime explode.....
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Will move out of state.....and buy all my gasoline, food, cigs, etc., etc. in the new state......so that will be at least 5,000 bucks per year that they will no longer receive from me.


Been trying to escape this shithole of a state my whole life anyway.
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you and many others...
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Talked to an IL deputy Sgt. today. He is anti-gun big time. Can't wait for gun bans, then confiscation. Said he hates guns. Hates having to wear a gun. Wants even cops disarmed.
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Illinois legislators who were voted out of office are in the process of hurrying a bill through the state wsentate that will

BAN 80% of ALL GUNS.... SHUT DOWN GUN RANGES * LIMIT AMMO
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And crime will continue to skyrocket in Illinois, as the libtard fuckwits so richly deserve.
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I seen this. I think they are shelving it for a couple weeks to see what happens in New York and hat Obama will say during the state of the union when he's expected to announce his plans for a federal ban.

This is by no means over.... They are testing the waters and you can bet they are not going to stop.
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Bet that cuts Chicago's murder rate by 80%!
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This bill is boggling.. what the hell does it allow? A musket from the 1700's or something the Pilgrims used to shoot turkeys?
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I am from, ill. of what I understand, not enough senators showed up to vote. Tues is the next day for any action on this
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My Congressmen's office reported that they were 3 votes short so they didn't bring it to a vote.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


damned

Thank God I don't live in IL.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Legislation did not make it past the floor. Gun grabbing commie fuckers couldn't get enough support to bring it up for a vote. Small victory for freedom.
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Were any of the below people in gangs? Was a gang problem the reason these people did what they did?

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Holmes, James Eagan (charged), 24
Hawkins, Robert A., 19
Sheley, Nicholas Troy, 28
Loughner, Jared Lee, 22
Peterson, Tyler James, 20^
Hennard, George Pierre, 35
Huberty, James Oliver, 41

etc..etc..etc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16923663


yes.. they were in a gang, it is called the liberal democrat gang.

Every single fucking one was an unbalanced liberal scumbag who killed others for no reason.

Are you next? Having feelings of entitlement and no recourse? Are you feeling weak and neutered by the strong around you?.. are you projecting here on this forum? are you the next mass murderer?.. do we need to report you?
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So you've researched each and everyone one of these guys? Read books about them, etc.. YOu know them so well to know they were liberals? Dem's.. LMAO you know nothing. I do not know if they were liberals, conservative, die-hard Christians, etc.. but then I'm not claiming they were.. I'm just saying they were not gang related.
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nvm

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Legislation did not make it past the floor. Gun grabbing commie fuckers couldn't get enough support to bring it up for a vote. Small victory for freedom.
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good
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Americans as a whole are far too invested into the systems of support, comforts, and social interaction.

Unfortunately, these weaknesses provide all the necessary leverage that would ever be needed.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


I think you are out of touch...
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Don't understimate your American brothers and sisters. Others have done so and have lost every time.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


What the shill team 6 member 535 does not realize is that the majority of those comfort items are going to be gone anyway.

The economic collapse, power outages, natural disasters and on and on. There will be no need to 'sacrifice' any of it.

And many people I know grew up poor and never had that crap to begin with and if they have gained it by hard work, have no issue with getting dirty to keep what they have.

535 is a plant, he is here to get responses and collect data.

Well collect this data, 535, nothing you have posted scares me, I grew up without most of it anyway and could not care less about losing any of it again.

But try, just once, to take something from me or my family by force and without my consent and I will hurt you, badly.
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Americans as a whole are far too invested into the systems of support, comforts, and social interaction.

Unfortunately, these weaknesses provide all the necessary leverage that would ever be needed.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


I think you are out of touch...
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Yea you are probably right Americans wont give up all these things, 95% wont. but the 5% that are willing to fight and die for something that you have no fucking clue about so im not even going to try and explain it to you will prevail, i have no doubt. Its people like you that have destroyed this once great country. Spineless, no sense of honor or loyalty.
 Quoting: oscanator 24421278


It has been projected that less than .04% will take up arms.

Even that is believed to be exaggerated.

The United States will not be destroyed. Like the mighty Phoenix, it will be reborn. The seat of command and control for the future of the human race, and its only chance for survival.

In defence of the United States, most other major nation-states have either already gone through this process or are going through the process of cleansing and clarification of their population so that they may play their assigned roles in a new order for the Earth... for the betterment of all.

As it must and will be.

You believe you are fighting evil. Assuredly you are not. In fact, you are fighting the only group with the organization, power, and will to gently guide the world into a shining future where its very survival may be guaranteed. Not all will be a part of this glorious Earth.

We act because we are right.

We succeed because we can.

Citizens comply because they must.
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I think you are out of touch...
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Yea you are probably right Americans wont give up all these things, 95% wont. but the 5% that are willing to fight and die for something that you have no fucking clue about so im not even going to try and explain it to you will prevail, i have no doubt. Its people like you that have destroyed this once great country. Spineless, no sense of honor or loyalty.
 Quoting: oscanator 24421278


It has been projected that less than .04% will take up arms.

Even that is believed to be exaggerated.

The United States will not be destroyed. Like the mighty Phoenix, it will be reborn. The seat of command and control for the future of the human race, and its only chance for survival.

In defence of the United States, most other major nation-states have either already gone through this process or are going through the process of cleansing and clarification of their population so that they may play their assigned roles in a new order for the Earth... for the betterment of all.

As it must and will be.

You believe you are fighting evil. Assuredly you are not. In fact, you are fighting the only group with the organization, power, and will to gently guide the world into a shining future where its very survival may be guaranteed. Not all will be a part of this glorious Earth.

We act because we are right.

We succeed because we can.

Citizens comply because they must.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Luciferian fuckwit. At least now your true colors are showing. Gently guiding? With bombs, warfare and force all over the globe?

You have no clue what special place in hell is reserved for people like you and I will say this, you have already lost just like all your inbred Luciferians before you.

"the devil will not support his children at the last day, but doth speedily drag them down to hell."
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I think you are out of touch...
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Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Don't understimate your American brothers and sisters. Others have done so and have lost every time.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


What the shill team 6 member 535 does not realize is that the majority of those comfort items are going to be gone anyway.

The economic collapse, power outages, natural disasters and on and on. There will be no need to 'sacrifice' any of it.

And many people I know grew up poor and never had that crap to begin with and if they have gained it by hard work, have no issue with getting dirty to keep what they have.

535 is a plant, he is here to get responses and collect data.

Well collect this data, 535, nothing you have posted scares me, I grew up without most of it anyway and could not care less about losing any of it again.

But try, just once, to take something from me or my family by force and without my consent and I will hurt you, badly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


The American, European, Russian, and Chinese arrogance on an individual level to believe, for even a moment, that those conditions listed cannot be controlled at any given instant is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.

Everything has been given and purposefully set up in such a way that it is just as easy to give a thing as it is to take it away. Permanently, if necessary.

THAT is power.

The power of life. The power of death.

To be sure, most of those things are considered by a vast majority of industrialized countries to be necessary as opposed to "comforts".

You know this in your heart to be true. The lowest common denominator, so to speak. The world of Jerry Springer, Kim Kardashian, and Facebook. Nothing was done then, why would it be assumed that something will be done now? Your world ended long ago. This is our world now.

You have seen the weak, the spoiled, the electronic addicts, and the worshipers of inanimate objects where the more shiny the object, the more value is placed on it.

You are older. Weaker. Your extended family would not accept giving these things up when there is a painless way out. A simple task to make sure and keep them fed, healthy, and safe.

No one will will "take" things from anyone. They will be given freely. Without question. Happily.

Those that, during this transitional process, attempt violence against the state will simply be removed. Not by the state, but by those that you know. Those you believe... those you trust.

When hunger, heat, sanitation, medicines, and clean water are the weapons of choice - a firearm is a poor substitute.

The people that you know (directly or indirectly) will serve the will of the state when there is no heat during a harsh northern winter, when there is no air conditioning during a malaria outbreak in the south, when there are only empty shelves, and there is no electricity to pump water. No one will know friend from foe.

One slip of the tongue, one questionable purchase from a new employee, one comment out of place and your citizen neighbors will turn you over in the hopes that their guess is right. They have nothing to lose. Everyone will be doing it. All so that they and THEIR families may eat for one more day.

You will see.

This will all come to pass.
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Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Don't understimate your American brothers and sisters. Others have done so and have lost every time.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


What the shill team 6 member 535 does not realize is that the majority of those comfort items are going to be gone anyway.

The economic collapse, power outages, natural disasters and on and on. There will be no need to 'sacrifice' any of it.

And many people I know grew up poor and never had that crap to begin with and if they have gained it by hard work, have no issue with getting dirty to keep what they have.

535 is a plant, he is here to get responses and collect data.

Well collect this data, 535, nothing you have posted scares me, I grew up without most of it anyway and could not care less about losing any of it again.

But try, just once, to take something from me or my family by force and without my consent and I will hurt you, badly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


The American, European, Russian, and Chinese arrogance on an individual level to believe, for even a moment, that those conditions listed cannot be controlled at any given instant is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.

Everything has been given and purposefully set up in such a way that it is just as easy to give a thing as it is to take it away. Permanently, if necessary.

THAT is power.

The power of life. The power of death.

To be sure, most of those things are considered by a vast majority of industrialized countries to be necessary as opposed to "comforts".

You know this in your heart to be true. The lowest common denominator, so to speak. The world of Jerry Springer, Kim Kardashian, and Facebook. Nothing was done then, why would it be assumed that something will be done now? Your world ended long ago. This is our world now.

You have seen the weak, the spoiled, the electronic addicts, and the worshipers of inanimate objects where the more shiny the object, the more value is placed on it.

You are older. Weaker. Your extended family would not accept giving these things up when there is a painless way out. A simple task to make sure and keep them fed, healthy, and safe.

No one will will "take" things from anyone. They will be given freely. Without question. Happily.

Those that, during this transitional process, attempt violence against the state will simply be removed. Not by the state, but by those that you know. Those you believe... those you trust.

When hunger, heat, sanitation, medicines, and clean water are the weapons of choice - a firearm is a poor substitute.

The people that you know (directly or indirectly) will serve the will of the state when there is no heat during a harsh northern winter, when there is no air conditioning during a malaria outbreak in the south, when there are only empty shelves, and there is no electricity to pump water. No one will know friend from foe.

One slip of the tongue, one questionable purchase from a new employee, one comment out of place and your citizen neighbors will turn you over in the hopes that their guess is right. They have nothing to lose. Everyone will be doing it. All so that they and THEIR families may eat for one more day.

You will see.

This will all come to pass.
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it will come to pass alright. what you speak of sounds very familiar and likely has been tried already in the last 100 years. You seem to believe that all peoples are dependent on the system and appears that you're agenda is having all peoples dependent on the system which will never work. If this is your idea of paradise you can count me out. I take nothing from the state and never will. MOLON LABE SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."
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Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Don't understimate your American brothers and sisters. Others have done so and have lost every time.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


What the shill team 6 member 535 does not realize is that the majority of those comfort items are going to be gone anyway.

The economic collapse, power outages, natural disasters and on and on. There will be no need to 'sacrifice' any of it.

And many people I know grew up poor and never had that crap to begin with and if they have gained it by hard work, have no issue with getting dirty to keep what they have.

535 is a plant, he is here to get responses and collect data.

Well collect this data, 535, nothing you have posted scares me, I grew up without most of it anyway and could not care less about losing any of it again.

But try, just once, to take something from me or my family by force and without my consent and I will hurt you, badly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


The American, European, Russian, and Chinese arrogance on an individual level to believe, for even a moment, that those conditions listed cannot be controlled at any given instant is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.

Everything has been given and purposefully set up in such a way that it is just as easy to give a thing as it is to take it away. Permanently, if necessary.

THAT is power.

The power of life. The power of death.
Everyone has that power, big deal, death is still freedom from this illusion.

To be sure, most of those things are considered by a vast majority of industrialized countries to be necessary as opposed to "comforts".

Well, they are not, so whats your point?

You know this in your heart to be true.

What I know is you are full of crap.


The lowest common denominator, so to speak. The world of Jerry Springer, Kim Kardashian, and Facebook. Nothing was done then, why would it be assumed that something will be done now? Your world ended long ago. This is our world now.

You are hanging out with some real losers, the masses were never the moving force, the elect are, that is true of any group.

You have seen the weak, the spoiled, the electronic addicts, and the worshipers of inanimate objects where the more shiny the object, the more value is placed on it.

I would bet you are pretty weak yourself, or you would not be here trying to act like someone special and in power, you are not, are you? You are here all hours of the day and night, not a power broker.

You are older. Weaker. Your extended family would not accept giving these things up when there is a painless way out. A simple task to make sure and keep them fed, healthy, and safe.

Please, continue to underestimate, it makes it so much easier.

No one will will "take" things from anyone. They will be given freely. Without question. Happily.

Keep dreaming.

Those that, during this transitional process, attempt violence against the state will simply be removed. Not by the state, but by those that you know. Those you believe... those you trust.

I trust me, I trust that this world is nothing in the eternal, I trust that I am eternal, I harm none who do not attempt to harm me first.

When hunger, heat, sanitation, medicines, and clean water are the weapons of choice - a firearm is a poor substitute.

Been there, done that, with and without a gun, and you are not immune to those things either, so again, what is your point?

The people that you know (directly or indirectly) will serve the will of the state when there is no heat during a harsh northern winter, when there is no air conditioning during a malaria outbreak in the south, when there are only empty shelves, and there is no electricity to pump water. No one will know friend from foe.

Same goes for you and your so called leaders, they are humans too and will suffer and die like everyone else, again, pointless.

One slip of the tongue, one questionable purchase from a new employee, one comment out of place and your citizen neighbors will turn you over in the hopes that their guess is right. They have nothing to lose. Everyone will be doing it. All so that they and THEIR families may eat for one more day.

So, they die one day later, they will still die, and they will die a cowards death, again, pointless.

You will see.

This will all come to pass.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Wow, you are like some sort of prophet! What will come to pass is this world and everyone in it will come to an end, that will come to pass and all your godmen will die too.

Hopefully, they will be judged by some higher power for all their lies, crimes and murders of those who will not bow down to cowards who manipulate others to do their killing for them, like you.
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You are assuming that you will have a choice.

There will none.

Comply or be removed for the greater good.
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Don't understimate your American brothers and sisters. Others have done so and have lost every time.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


What the shill team 6 member 535 does not realize is that the majority of those comfort items are going to be gone anyway.

The economic collapse, power outages, natural disasters and on and on. There will be no need to 'sacrifice' any of it.

And many people I know grew up poor and never had that crap to begin with and if they have gained it by hard work, have no issue with getting dirty to keep what they have.

535 is a plant, he is here to get responses and collect data.

Well collect this data, 535, nothing you have posted scares me, I grew up without most of it anyway and could not care less about losing any of it again.

But try, just once, to take something from me or my family by force and without my consent and I will hurt you, badly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


The American, European, Russian, and Chinese arrogance on an individual level to believe, for even a moment, that those conditions listed cannot be controlled at any given instant is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.

Everything has been given and purposefully set up in such a way that it is just as easy to give a thing as it is to take it away. Permanently, if necessary.

THAT is power.

The power of life. The power of death.
Everyone has that power, big deal, death is still freedom from this illusion.

To be sure, most of those things are considered by a vast majority of industrialized countries to be necessary as opposed to "comforts".

Well, they are not, so whats your point?

You know this in your heart to be true.

What I know is you are full of crap.


The lowest common denominator, so to speak. The world of Jerry Springer, Kim Kardashian, and Facebook. Nothing was done then, why would it be assumed that something will be done now? Your world ended long ago. This is our world now.

You are hanging out with some real losers, the masses were never the moving force, the elect are, that is true of any group.

You have seen the weak, the spoiled, the electronic addicts, and the worshipers of inanimate objects where the more shiny the object, the more value is placed on it.

I would bet you are pretty weak yourself, or you would not be here trying to act like someone special and in power, you are not, are you? You are here all hours of the day and night, not a power broker.

You are older. Weaker. Your extended family would not accept giving these things up when there is a painless way out. A simple task to make sure and keep them fed, healthy, and safe.

Please, continue to underestimate, it makes it so much easier.

No one will will "take" things from anyone. They will be given freely. Without question. Happily.

Keep dreaming.

Those that, during this transitional process, attempt violence against the state will simply be removed. Not by the state, but by those that you know. Those you believe... those you trust.

I trust me, I trust that this world is nothing in the eternal, I trust that I am eternal, I harm none who do not attempt to harm me first.

When hunger, heat, sanitation, medicines, and clean water are the weapons of choice - a firearm is a poor substitute.

Been there, done that, with and without a gun, and you are not immune to those things either, so again, what is your point?

The people that you know (directly or indirectly) will serve the will of the state when there is no heat during a harsh northern winter, when there is no air conditioning during a malaria outbreak in the south, when there are only empty shelves, and there is no electricity to pump water. No one will know friend from foe.

Same goes for you and your so called leaders, they are humans too and will suffer and die like everyone else, again, pointless.

One slip of the tongue, one questionable purchase from a new employee, one comment out of place and your citizen neighbors will turn you over in the hopes that their guess is right. They have nothing to lose. Everyone will be doing it. All so that they and THEIR families may eat for one more day.

So, they die one day later, they will still die, and they will die a cowards death, again, pointless.

You will see.

This will all come to pass.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Wow, you are like some sort of prophet! What will come to pass is this world and everyone in it will come to an end, that will come to pass and all your godmen will die too.

Hopefully, they will be judged by some higher power for all their lies, crimes and murders of those who will not bow down to cowards who manipulate others to do their killing for them, like you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


NO.

This is the plan. All plans have come to fruition. Nothing more nor less.

People do not bow to cowards, they bow before the superior. The Optimal.

The future, be definition, will not be for everyone.

Best of luck.
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535 is one sick, pathetic wannabe. Like one of the real power players would give him the time of day.

Yet, here is is, day after day, typing away on GLP like some kind of Moses parting the red sea.

Hell, he even spends more time here than I do, and my life is pathetically boring!
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One thing is for sure, I will be bowing, but not to anyone or any THING like 535 and his godmen.

That is what he does not seem to 'get', this world is temporary and my daddy taught me one thing: they can only kill me once and I will never die on my knees.
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Hey 535. Ceausescu did all this to us. Guess what. We shot him.
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here is the intelligent questions that need to be asked and answered

here is the real problem

Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

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here is the intelligent questions that need to be asked and answered

here is the real problem

Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

[link to www.youtube.com]
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535 is one sick, pathetic wannabe. Like one of the real power players would give him the time of day.

Yet, here is is, day after day, typing away on GLP like some kind of Moses parting the red sea.

Hell, he even spends more time here than I do, and my life is pathetically boring!
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Correct. This is not worthy of any "power player" nor Moses.

There is only the need for understanding what motivates this line of thinking. As such, would you or anyone else be willing to answer a few questions?

If you were given the power, how would you rewrite the federal laws regarding firearms?

Assuming the public's Second Amendment interpretation were up to you, how would you word it?

What, if anything, would hypothetically motivate you or your friends to shift from a position of political resistance to political acceptance?

What would you consider a major event in the near future that could theoretically soften your position on the banning or registration of firearms?

If, for example, Illinois passed a law like the one in the initial portion of the thread, would you ever consider violent resistance?

Would you or anyone you know consider "violent resistance" as justified?

What actions do you believe, if any, would have to be taken by the Federal Government of the United States in order to cause a "violent reaction"?

What do you believe constitutes a "good" firearms law vs. one that is not?

What opinion, if any, do you have regarding the NFA legislation?

If the NFA was modified or amended, would you consider breaking that law if the same minimum penalties applied for automatic weapons or destructive devices?

You answers are appreciated in advance.

Thank you very much!
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What the shill team 6 member 535 does not realize is that the majority of those comfort items are going to be gone anyway.

The economic collapse, power outages, natural disasters and on and on. There will be no need to 'sacrifice' any of it.

And many people I know grew up poor and never had that crap to begin with and if they have gained it by hard work, have no issue with getting dirty to keep what they have.

535 is a plant, he is here to get responses and collect data.

Well collect this data, 535, nothing you have posted scares me, I grew up without most of it anyway and could not care less about losing any of it again.

But try, just once, to take something from me or my family by force and without my consent and I will hurt you, badly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


The American, European, Russian, and Chinese arrogance on an individual level to believe, for even a moment, that those conditions listed cannot be controlled at any given instant is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.

Everything has been given and purposefully set up in such a way that it is just as easy to give a thing as it is to take it away. Permanently, if necessary.

THAT is power.

The power of life. The power of death.
Everyone has that power, big deal, death is still freedom from this illusion.

To be sure, most of those things are considered by a vast majority of industrialized countries to be necessary as opposed to "comforts".

Well, they are not, so whats your point?

You know this in your heart to be true.

What I know is you are full of crap.


The lowest common denominator, so to speak. The world of Jerry Springer, Kim Kardashian, and Facebook. Nothing was done then, why would it be assumed that something will be done now? Your world ended long ago. This is our world now.

You are hanging out with some real losers, the masses were never the moving force, the elect are, that is true of any group.

You have seen the weak, the spoiled, the electronic addicts, and the worshipers of inanimate objects where the more shiny the object, the more value is placed on it.

I would bet you are pretty weak yourself, or you would not be here trying to act like someone special and in power, you are not, are you? You are here all hours of the day and night, not a power broker.

You are older. Weaker. Your extended family would not accept giving these things up when there is a painless way out. A simple task to make sure and keep them fed, healthy, and safe.

Please, continue to underestimate, it makes it so much easier.

No one will will "take" things from anyone. They will be given freely. Without question. Happily.

Keep dreaming.

Those that, during this transitional process, attempt violence against the state will simply be removed. Not by the state, but by those that you know. Those you believe... those you trust.

I trust me, I trust that this world is nothing in the eternal, I trust that I am eternal, I harm none who do not attempt to harm me first.

When hunger, heat, sanitation, medicines, and clean water are the weapons of choice - a firearm is a poor substitute.

Been there, done that, with and without a gun, and you are not immune to those things either, so again, what is your point?

The people that you know (directly or indirectly) will serve the will of the state when there is no heat during a harsh northern winter, when there is no air conditioning during a malaria outbreak in the south, when there are only empty shelves, and there is no electricity to pump water. No one will know friend from foe.

Same goes for you and your so called leaders, they are humans too and will suffer and die like everyone else, again, pointless.

One slip of the tongue, one questionable purchase from a new employee, one comment out of place and your citizen neighbors will turn you over in the hopes that their guess is right. They have nothing to lose. Everyone will be doing it. All so that they and THEIR families may eat for one more day.

So, they die one day later, they will still die, and they will die a cowards death, again, pointless.

You will see.

This will all come to pass.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Wow, you are like some sort of prophet! What will come to pass is this world and everyone in it will come to an end, that will come to pass and all your godmen will die too.

Hopefully, they will be judged by some higher power for all their lies, crimes and murders of those who will not bow down to cowards who manipulate others to do their killing for them, like you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288


NO.

This is the plan. All plans have come to fruition. Nothing more nor less.

People do not bow to cowards, they bow before the superior. The Optimal.

The future, be definition, will not be for everyone.

Best of luck.
 Quoting: 535 1326993


rofl the bleating of 535. This guy is really beginning to amuse me
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Thank you. Entertainment is important.

Do you think that perhaps you might answer some of these questions? They are only to continue the conversation and would be very helpful.

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