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Thank you. Entertainment is important.

Do you think that perhaps you might answer some of these questions? They are only to continue the conversation and would be very helpful.
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well 535 when you answer my post or anyone's post with some rationality as opposed to insane gibberish,I'll consider it.

Are you taking medication for your condition?
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Thank you. Entertainment is important.

Do you think that perhaps you might answer some of these questions? They are only to continue the conversation and would be very helpful.
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well 535 when you answer my post or anyone's post with some rationality as opposed to insane gibberish,I'll consider it.

Are you taking medication for your condition?
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The posts are quite rational. Perhaps a search for "535" or a reread may give enough information for you to understand.

Regardless, the questions were quite simple and you obviously understood them as you and all others reading this are quite intelligent. If you would like to contribute by answering some of the questions, it would be most appreciated.
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535 I want to help you to get faster in the life you dream. I am offering you a plane ticket and $200 for a year expenses in Vietnam.
Ok?
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535 is one sick, pathetic wannabe. Like one of the real power players would give him the time of day.

Yet, here is is, day after day, typing away on GLP like some kind of Moses parting the red sea.

Hell, he even spends more time here than I do, and my life is pathetically boring!
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Correct. This is not worthy of any "power player" nor Moses.

There is only the need for understanding what motivates this line of thinking. As such, would you or anyone else be willing to answer a few questions?

I will.

If you were given the power, how would you rewrite the federal laws regarding firearms?

I am one of the the people, a citizen, the highest political office in the land. I have no desire to step down in power to be a legislator.

Assuming the public's Second Amendment interpretation were up to you, how would you word it?

It is up to me, and it is worded just fine.

What, if anything, would hypothetically motivate you or your friends to shift from a position of political resistance to political acceptance?

Political resistance? To the very law I am sworn to uphold and protect? NOTHING, it is not the legislators role, duty or job to alter the law of the land, that power is up to the people, not the government.

What would you consider a major event in the near future that could theoretically soften your position on the banning or registration of firearms?

It is a physical impossibility to ban a machine that can be produced with technology that has been around for hundreds of years. Writing words on paper will not change the reality that guns are here. It would take a supernatural even to change that, not legislation.

If, for example, Illinois passed a law like the one in the initial portion of the thread, would you ever consider violent resistance?

It would not be a "law" it would be null and void before it was even written. Until and unless the Constitution is changed, it is the supreme law of the land, end of discussion. And even then, the physical reality of guns is not going away.

Would you or anyone you know consider "violent resistance" as justified?

Violent resistance to what, words written on some paper by some corporations employee? No violence needed, ignore it, just like everyone ignores speed limit signs and other magical words written on paper.

What actions do you believe, if any, would have to be taken by the Federal Government of the United States in order to cause a "violent reaction"?

Self defense is a right of all men, the fact the criminal being defended from is an employee of the Corporate US is irrelevant.

What do you believe constitutes a "good" firearms law vs. one that is not?

Sure, one that restricts the use of any tool of violence from Government thugs is a good one.

What opinion, if any, do you have regarding the NFA legislation?

Do not really care, pay 200 $ and get suppressors or machine guns, that is why it is not a law, if you can buy your way out of it, its no law at all.

If the NFA was modified or amended, would you consider breaking that law if the same minimum penalties applied for automatic weapons or destructive devices?

The NFA does apply to automatic weapons and destructive devices, all of which can be had for a minimal fee for a tax stamp. You do not seem to know what the NFA is. Also, there is no provision for it to be amended, congress would have to pass new legislation. Yes, I consider the NFA a violation of the Constitution, but that is nothing new for the Federal Government since Abe L at least.

You answers are appreciated in advance.

Thank you very much!
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You are welcome!
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This is appreciated.

If there are any other replies, they would also be most welcome.
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So 535 just shut this thread down?
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As of Dec. 21, 2012 and since Jan. 1 2012, Chicago police have recorded 2,364 shooting incidents and 487 homicides, 87 percent of them gun-related. Shootings have increased 12 percent this year and homicides are up 19 percent. As of today that number of homicides went above 500 for the year.

Chicago is an extremely violent city because criminals possess the largest portion of guns there. And in 2012 alone, 1.5 people died each day after being shot by bad people with guns.

Chicago long ago went in the very direction Barack Obama, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and Mayor Michael Bloomberg want our entire country to go with in regard to gun laws. And has this made the city safer? Absolutely not. Instead, 532 people were killed by criminals with guns in Chicago during the 2012 calendar year alone. Why has this not worked? Because guns are still flooding in from all over the state of Illinois.

You can't expect the guns to not get into urban cities like Chicago when they are surrounded by guns. This new law should really save a lot of lives.

Not having this law keeps things the way they are, having this law can do NOTHING BUT SAVE LIVES. prove me wrong?
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An Act amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes, further providing for the offense of sexual abuse of children; and providing for the offense of transmission of sexually explicit images by minor.
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illinios isnt in PA retard
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Don't fear the pos...he hides behind a keyboard...this is the only way he is able to intimidate...pathetic individual.
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Wonderful news! Me and my friends here in Ireland rejoice for you . A step nearer to a more peaceful and socialist nation. Well done Illinois!
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Americans as a whole are far too invested into the systems of support, comforts, and social interaction.

Unfortunately, these weaknesses provide all the necessary leverage that would ever be needed.
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I think you are out of touch...
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Being "in" or "out" of touch has nothing to do with the facts on the ground. It is a manner of writing and speaking for the weak.

Americans will not be leaving suburban homes, shopping malls, and schools in droves in order to live underground and fight "the system" with no grocery stores or resupply.

Americans will not give up supermarkets and instant food on demand.

Americans will not give up hot showers and sanitation.

Americans will not give up television, computers, and all other electronic entertainment devices.

Americans will not give up clean fresh potable water on demand.

Americans will not give up heating and cooling.

Americans will not give up comfortable beds and automobiles.

Americans will not give up reliable electricity 24/7 and microwave ovens.

Americans will not give up their families in order to live with a firearm in the mountains or underground like a rat.

Everything from tampons to a refrigerator to razor blades. All gone. Unavailable to you and your family... forever.

Few if any Americans are willing to sacrifice in this manner. The ones that do will be so painfully obvious that the job will be done for your enforcers. It is YOU who are out of touch. It is YOU that has no understanding on how things work in the real world of daily survival and the pressure points available to your conquerors.

Sitting on your computers, well fed, warm, safe, and comfortable, there is no real comprehension of what can happen. Are you truly willing to give this all up, including your families (they will suffer as well), for the inevitable 20 year federal prison sentence? I think not.

Those that do not comply will be ostracized, cast out, branded, easy to find, easy to manipulate, easy to bounty, easy to collect, and in the end... easy to remove.
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Brilliant.
Wizard's Rule #1: "People are stupid. Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. People will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
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Correct. This is not worthy of any "power player" nor Moses.

There is only the need for understanding what motivates this line of thinking. As such, would you or anyone else be willing to answer a few questions?

If you were given the power, how would you rewrite the federal laws regarding firearms?

Federal laws are intended to regulate their use with regard to being necessary to the security of the free state.
-deterring tyrannical government;
-repelling invasion;
-participating in law enforcement;
-enabling the people to organize a militia system.
In other words, eliminate private ownership because it is not what the 2nd amendment was really about. The only right spelled out by the 2nd amendment is the right to BEAR them WHEN the security of the free State is threatened.


Assuming the public's Second Amendment interpretation were up to you, how would you word it?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed when the security of the free state requires defense.

What, if anything, would hypothetically motivate you or your friends to shift from a position of political resistance to political acceptance?

I would follow the law unless it is not in the best interests of the SECURITY of the free State.

What would you consider a major event in the near future that could theoretically soften your position on the banning or registration of firearms?

I believe we have the right to bear arms WHEN the SECURITY of the free state needs defense, not JUST IN CASE the security of the free state needs defense. No event will change this view. In the event of a collapse of society, rise of a tyranny threatening individual liberty, or an invasion, I would exercise my right to bear arms and seek to obtain them in order to survive and restore the security of the free state. Individual liberty is not secured by the right to own firearms, but the right to BEAR them when needed.

If, for example, Illinois passed a law like the one in the initial portion of the thread, would you ever consider violent resistance?

No.

Would you or anyone you know consider "violent resistance" as justified?

Those who say they will resist are all bravado. Reasonable people will not resist because the security of the free State we live in will still be intact. Obviously, Americans have comforts and luxuries they would be unwilling to give up for the sake of resistance too.

What actions do you believe, if any, would have to be taken by the Federal Government of the United States in order to cause a "violent reaction"?

The Federal Government cannot cause a "violent reaction." Accountability always lies with the individual.

What do you believe constitutes a "good" firearms law vs. one that is not?

Good law: focuses on regulating their accessiblity to assure the public can bear them only for the defense of the security of the free state

Bad law: focuses on regulating their accessiblity for any other reason than stated above


What opinion, if any, do you have regarding the NFA legislation?

It reduces and regulates private ownership, but additional regulation may be needed to clearly shift the focus from just regulating private ownership to the regulating the right to bear them.

If the NFA was modified or amended, would you consider breaking that law if the same minimum penalties applied for automatic weapons or destructive devices?

I don't voluntarily seek to break any law. That is irrational.

You answers are appreciated in advance.

Thank you very much!
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Answered.

Last Edited by Embernight Walker on 01/05/2013 03:45 PM
Wizard's Rule #1: "People are stupid. Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. People will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
Primordial Rule: "The rule unwritten. It is the secret of all life. It is the essence of life itself. You are a creator and master of your own reality. You ultimately make your own rules."
All the Wizard's Rules: [link to sot.wikia.com]
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Correct. This is not worthy of any "power player" nor Moses.

There is only the need for understanding what motivates this line of thinking. As such, would you or anyone else be willing to answer a few questions?

If you were given the power, how would you rewrite the federal laws regarding firearms?

Federal laws are intended to regulate their use with regard to being necessary to the security of the free state.
-deterring tyrannical government;
-repelling invasion;
-participating in law enforcement;
-enabling the people to organize a militia system.
In other words, eliminate private ownership because it is not what the 2nd amendment was really about. The only right spelled out by the 2nd amendment is the right to BEAR them WHEN the security of the free State is threatened.


Assuming the public's Second Amendment interpretation were up to you, how would you word it?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed when the security of the free state requires defense.

What, if anything, would hypothetically motivate you or your friends to shift from a position of political resistance to political acceptance?

I would follow the law unless it is not in the best interests of the SECURITY of the free State.

What would you consider a major event in the near future that could theoretically soften your position on the banning or registration of firearms?

I believe we have the right to bear arms WHEN the SECURITY of the free state needs defense, not JUST IN CASE the security of the free state needs defense. No event will change this view. In the event of a collapse of society, rise of a tyranny threatening individual liberty, or an invasion, I would exercise my right to bear arms and seek to obtain them in order to survive and restore the security of the free state. Individual liberty is not secured by the right to own firearms, but the right to BEAR them when needed.

If, for example, Illinois passed a law like the one in the initial portion of the thread, would you ever consider violent resistance?

No.

Would you or anyone you know consider "violent resistance" as justified?

Those who say they will resist are all bravado. Reasonable people will not resist because the security of the free State we live in will still be intact. Obviously, Americans have comforts and luxuries they would be unwilling to give up for the sake of resistance too.

What actions do you believe, if any, would have to be taken by the Federal Government of the United States in order to cause a "violent reaction"?

The Federal Government cannot cause a "violent reaction." Accountability always lies with the individual.

What do you believe constitutes a "good" firearms law vs. one that is not?

Good law: focuses on regulating their accessiblity to assure the public can bear them only for the defense of the security of the free state

Bad law: focuses on regulating their accessiblity for any other reason than stated above


What opinion, if any, do you have regarding the NFA legislation?

It reduces and regulates private ownership, but additional regulation may be needed to clearly shift the focus from just regulating private ownership to the regulating the right to bear them.

If the NFA was modified or amended, would you consider breaking that law if the same minimum penalties applied for automatic weapons or destructive devices?

I don't voluntarily seek to break any law. That is irrational.

You answers are appreciated in advance.

Thank you very much!
 Quoting: 535 1326993


Answered.
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Answered incorrectly. There is no right that belongs to the STATE that does not belong to the people first.

10th Amendment. Only those rights outlined in the Constitution are granted to the Federal Government, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

You ignore the part of the 2nd that speaks to the people, not the militia. There is no security and freedom without the people being secure (baring arms) and free (baring arms).

Now, if your stand is we, the citizens are not 'the people' then you might have a leg to stand on, but that is not what you are posting and you are dead wrong.

Keeping the arms locked up until the STATE needs the people armed is just dumb. But, if there is a local armory in every city and town where Tanks, heavy machine guns and air craft for public use should we need it, that is fine with me.
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Actually, you just misread what I said. I said the right is the right to bear arms. It does not say anywhere in the 2nd amendment that we can own them.

I don't see the words 'privately own' anywhere in the definition of 'bear.

v.tr. 1. To hold up; support.
2. To carry from one place to another; transport.
3. To carry in the mind; harbor: bear a grudge.
4. To transmit at large; relate: bearing glad tidings.
5. To have as a visible characteristic: bore a scar on the left arm.
6. To have as a quality; exhibit: "A thousand different shapes it bears" (Abraham Cowley).
7. To carry (oneself) in a specified way; conduct: She bore herself with dignity.
8. To be accountable for; assume: bearing heavy responsibilities.
9. To have a tolerance for; endure: couldn't bear his lying.
10. To call for; warrant: This case bears investigation.
11. To give birth to: bore six children in five years.
12. To produce; yield: plants bearing flowers.
13. To offer; render: I will bear witness to the deed.
14. To move by or as if by steady pressure; push: "boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past" (F. Scott Fitzgerald).


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Last Edited by Embernight Walker on 01/06/2013 06:50 PM
Wizard's Rule #1: "People are stupid. Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. People will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
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All the Wizard's Rules: [link to sot.wikia.com]
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thank God I dont live in Peples Republic Of Illinois

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