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We Are In An Endless Financial Crisis!!!

 
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Good points in this thread. Capitalism can have a moral component, however corporatism can not. corporatism requires the corporation to return maximum value to shareholders. That is its only requirement. It is implied in all adjudications in corporate law courts, even if not written the subrogated and largely meaningless "articles of incorporation"

Capturing government though lobbists will always help create profit, especially when we have a tax code like the current cluster (fiscal policy)

But before you guys get to mad at corporations/capitolists wrt government corruption, the #1 purported reason for the "private" Federal Reserve (monetary policy) is that it can not be corrupted, or at least the corporation would have go to the effort to corrupt both institutions.

Yes: the TPTB think ahead to the arguments people would have against them as they profiteer.

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Democracy is the rule of money. Anyone who can't see that is blind to the truth.
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You seem to not understand the difference between original and derivative, right?

the word doesnt mean rule of money, nor has it ever, but, you need to have it so, because that way you dont have to learn anything other than what you want to believe.
The fact that someone can make money a priority doesnt mean that democracy has anything to do with it. But dont let reality get in your way, you get to have anything be whatever you want, right?
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You're blind to the reality of what democracy and capitalism lead to. You can't ignore the consequences of what occurs time and time again.

You're like a communist who says, that real communism has never been tried.
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I know you cant handle unpleasant information. No communism doesnt work because it's not natural, nobody thinks more of others than they think of themselves, nobody gives anything worth anything away for free.
Socialism among strangers is the end product of some more powerful strangers forcing other weaker strangers to take care of their friends without compensation
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I'm not a communist.
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Capitalism is the solution to the problem, government interference is the problem.
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Capitalism and elections lead to gouvernment intervention.

A capitalist who doesn't bribe(lobby) for his advantage will lose to those who do.
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Government needs to stay out of business...the role of government should only include maintenance of infrastructure and defense.
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I agree for small businsses. Large businesses are a different animal all together. For example monopolies must be avoided for the market to work.
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The break up of Ma Bell was needed, but only in very rare cases should the government be ALLOWED to step in.
With freedom comes responsibility.

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nobody gives anything worth anything away for free.
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Christians do.
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Good points in this thread. Capitalism can have a moral component, however corporatism can not. corporatism requires the corporation to return maximum value to shareholders. That is its only requirement. It is implied in all adjudications in corporate law courts, even if not written the subrogated and largely meaningless "articles of incorporation"

Capturing government though lobbists will always help create profit, especially when we have a tax code like the current cluster (fiscal policy)

But before you guys get to mad at corporations/capitolists wrt government corruption, the #1 purported reason for the "private" Federal Reserve (monetary policy) is that it can not be corrupted, or at least the corporation would have go to the effort to corrupt both institutions.

Yes: the TPTB think ahead to the arguments people would have against them as they profiteer.

dick
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Can you be any more a simple fool?
ANYTHING imagined by humans can have a moral component applied to it, corporations included, groups of scouts, even strippers and chose to come up with a professed code of right and wrong.
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Thus can't be true, it not on TMZ or the E! Channel so never happened
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nobody gives anything worth anything away for free.
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Christians do.
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that's a learned behavior that conflicts with nature.
on this planet, the fight is for first dibbs of prime reseouces, and if you want to let others take your position, that;s you, but this in any circumstance is theory, as I dont see christians giving everything away to those that ask, so in practice, they give away what they rationalize as excess, not everything they are asked for.

Sorry, nice try, but none I ever knew gave everything away, and most of them live quite well, thank you
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Good points in this thread. Capitalism can have a moral component, however corporatism can not. corporatism requires the corporation to return maximum value to shareholders. That is its only requirement. It is implied in all adjudications in corporate law courts, even if not written the subrogated and largely meaningless "articles of incorporation"

Capturing government though lobbists will always help create profit, especially when we have a tax code like the current cluster (fiscal policy)

But before you guys get to mad at corporations/capitolists wrt government corruption, the #1 purported reason for the "private" Federal Reserve (monetary policy) is that it can not be corrupted, or at least the corporation would have go to the effort to corrupt both institutions.

Yes: the TPTB think ahead to the arguments people would have against them as they profiteer.

dick
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Can you be any more a simple fool?
ANYTHING imagined by humans can have a moral component applied to it, corporations included, groups of scouts, even strippers and chose to come up with a professed code of right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


That doesn't make sense. Capitalism doesn't have morals. As you said yourself a page earlier. How would anyone apply morals to it? Wouldn't that make it ineffecient?

Ultimately morality always comes from god. Any system that isn't based on god becomes immoral.
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nobody gives anything worth anything away for free.
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Christians do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


that's a learned behavior that conflicts with nature.
on this planet, the fight is for first dibbs of prime reseouces, and if you want to let others take your position, that;s you, but this in any circumstance is theory, as I dont see christians giving everything away to those that ask, so in practice, they give away what they rationalize as excess, not everything they are asked for.

Sorry, nice try, but none I ever knew gave everything away, and most of them live quite well, thank you
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You're a liar. Christians give things aways for free all the time.
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nobody gives anything worth anything away for free.
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Christians do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


that's a learned behavior that conflicts with nature.
on this planet, the fight is for first dibbs of prime reseouces, and if you want to let others take your position, that;s you, but this in any circumstance is theory, as I dont see christians giving everything away to those that ask, so in practice, they give away what they rationalize as excess, not everything they are asked for.

Sorry, nice try, but none I ever knew gave everything away, and most of them live quite well, thank you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're a liar. Christians give things aways for free all the time.
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you dont get it, bums give things away too, so do communists, they just give what they dont want.
You havent read your NT much have you?
Christ didnt say give some things away, he said give EVERYTHING away, so, start giving til it hurts, all of it or quit fronting
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Christians do.
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that's a learned behavior that conflicts with nature.
on this planet, the fight is for first dibbs of prime reseouces, and if you want to let others take your position, that;s you, but this in any circumstance is theory, as I dont see christians giving everything away to those that ask, so in practice, they give away what they rationalize as excess, not everything they are asked for.

Sorry, nice try, but none I ever knew gave everything away, and most of them live quite well, thank you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're a liar. Christians give things aways for free all the time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


you dont get it, bums give things away too, so do communists, they just give what they dont want.
You havent read your NT much have you?
Christ didnt say give some things away, he said give EVERYTHING away, so, start giving til it hurts, all of it or quit fronting
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You're a liar. Where did Christ say to give everything away?
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Good points in this thread. Capitalism can have a moral component, however corporatism can not. corporatism requires the corporation to return maximum value to shareholders. That is its only requirement. It is implied in all adjudications in corporate law courts, even if not written the subrogated and largely meaningless "articles of incorporation"

Capturing government though lobbists will always help create profit, especially when we have a tax code like the current cluster (fiscal policy)

But before you guys get to mad at corporations/capitolists wrt government corruption, the #1 purported reason for the "private" Federal Reserve (monetary policy) is that it can not be corrupted, or at least the corporation would have go to the effort to corrupt both institutions.

Yes: the TPTB think ahead to the arguments people would have against them as they profiteer.

dick
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21486999


Can you be any more a simple fool?
ANYTHING imagined by humans can have a moral component applied to it, corporations included, groups of scouts, even strippers and chose to come up with a professed code of right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


That doesn't make sense. Capitalism doesn't have morals. As you said yourself a page earlier. How would anyone apply morals to it? Wouldn't that make it ineffecient?

Ultimately morality always comes from god. Any system that isn't based on god becomes immoral.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


you must be very young, you seem to think that words are magic and you dont need to live in a real world where people need to have a common understanding for anything.
As I said, a finacial system isnt a morality system, and vice versa, although, if people agree, they can merge the two to their satisfaction, or not, such as they wish.
It's not the system, per se, it's the persons involved and the high likelyhood that someone is willing to misrepresent some component for personal gain, because it's easier to profit through manipulation than honesty
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It's called finance capitalism...
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Capitalism is the solution to the problem, government interference is the problem.
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Bingo. Government interference created a dependency.
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that's a learned behavior that conflicts with nature.
on this planet, the fight is for first dibbs of prime reseouces, and if you want to let others take your position, that;s you, but this in any circumstance is theory, as I dont see christians giving everything away to those that ask, so in practice, they give away what they rationalize as excess, not everything they are asked for.

Sorry, nice try, but none I ever knew gave everything away, and most of them live quite well, thank you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're a liar. Christians give things aways for free all the time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


you dont get it, bums give things away too, so do communists, they just give what they dont want.
You havent read your NT much have you?
Christ didnt say give some things away, he said give EVERYTHING away, so, start giving til it hurts, all of it or quit fronting
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You're a liar. Where did Christ say to give everything away?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


If a man ask for a coat, give him two. You are perhaps unfamilair with the flowers of the field and the birds of the air parable?
You need some serious bible reading time, and less time watching some TV preacher selling 'judeochristianity'
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You're a liar. Christians give things aways for free all the time.
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you dont get it, bums give things away too, so do communists, they just give what they dont want.
You havent read your NT much have you?
Christ didnt say give some things away, he said give EVERYTHING away, so, start giving til it hurts, all of it or quit fronting
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're a liar. Where did Christ say to give everything away?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


If a man ask for a coat, give him two. You are perhaps unfamilair with the flowers of the field and the birds of the air parable?
You need some serious bible reading time, and less time watching some TV preacher selling 'judeochristianity'
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There is no such thing as judeochristianity. It's an invention. You're lying again.
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Good points in this thread. Capitalism can have a moral component, however corporatism can not. corporatism requires the corporation to return maximum value to shareholders. That is its only requirement. It is implied in all adjudications in corporate law courts, even if not written the subrogated and largely meaningless "articles of incorporation"

Capturing government though lobbists will always help create profit, especially when we have a tax code like the current cluster (fiscal policy)

But before you guys get to mad at corporations/capitolists wrt government corruption, the #1 purported reason for the "private" Federal Reserve (monetary policy) is that it can not be corrupted, or at least the corporation would have go to the effort to corrupt both institutions.

Yes: the TPTB think ahead to the arguments people would have against them as they profiteer.

dick
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Can you be any more a simple fool?
ANYTHING imagined by humans can have a moral component applied to it, corporations included, groups of scouts, even strippers and chose to come up with a professed code of right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


That doesn't make sense. Capitalism doesn't have morals. As you said yourself a page earlier. How would anyone apply morals to it? Wouldn't that make it ineffecient?

Ultimately morality always comes from god. Any system that isn't based on god becomes immoral.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


you must be very young, you seem to think that words are magic and you dont need to live in a real world where people need to have a common understanding for anything.
As I said, a finacial system isnt a morality system, and vice versa, although, if people agree, they can merge the two to their satisfaction, or not, such as they wish.
It's not the system, per se, it's the persons involved and the high likelyhood that someone is willing to misrepresent some component for personal gain, because it's easier to profit through manipulation than honesty
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're ignoring the power of money. Someone who has money is not as powerless as someone who has no money. Therefor his morality will triumph. In your theory people could "agree", in reality that is not the case.
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you dont get it, bums give things away too, so do communists, they just give what they dont want.
You havent read your NT much have you?
Christ didnt say give some things away, he said give EVERYTHING away, so, start giving til it hurts, all of it or quit fronting
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're a liar. Where did Christ say to give everything away?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


If a man ask for a coat, give him two. You are perhaps unfamilair with the flowers of the field and the birds of the air parable?
You need some serious bible reading time, and less time watching some TV preacher selling 'judeochristianity'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


There is no such thing as judeochristianity. It's an invention. You're lying again.
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Not very bright, are you?
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You're a liar. Where did Christ say to give everything away?
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If a man ask for a coat, give him two. You are perhaps unfamilair with the flowers of the field and the birds of the air parable?
You need some serious bible reading time, and less time watching some TV preacher selling 'judeochristianity'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


There is no such thing as judeochristianity. It's an invention. You're lying again.
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Not very bright, are you?
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Bright enough to recognize liars like you.
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Can you be any more a simple fool?
ANYTHING imagined by humans can have a moral component applied to it, corporations included, groups of scouts, even strippers and chose to come up with a professed code of right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


That doesn't make sense. Capitalism doesn't have morals. As you said yourself a page earlier. How would anyone apply morals to it? Wouldn't that make it ineffecient?

Ultimately morality always comes from god. Any system that isn't based on god becomes immoral.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


you must be very young, you seem to think that words are magic and you dont need to live in a real world where people need to have a common understanding for anything.
As I said, a finacial system isnt a morality system, and vice versa, although, if people agree, they can merge the two to their satisfaction, or not, such as they wish.
It's not the system, per se, it's the persons involved and the high likelyhood that someone is willing to misrepresent some component for personal gain, because it's easier to profit through manipulation than honesty
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're ignoring the power of money. Someone who has money is not as powerless as someone who has no money. Therefor his morality will triumph. In your theory people could "agree", in reality that is not the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


money has no power other than what the individual gives it.
It has no other power, it's a symbol of domination to the thief or a symbol of survial to the poor.
Money isnt magic, at least, not to normal adults
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That doesn't make sense. Capitalism doesn't have morals. As you said yourself a page earlier. How would anyone apply morals to it? Wouldn't that make it ineffecient?

Ultimately morality always comes from god. Any system that isn't based on god becomes immoral.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


you must be very young, you seem to think that words are magic and you dont need to live in a real world where people need to have a common understanding for anything.
As I said, a finacial system isnt a morality system, and vice versa, although, if people agree, they can merge the two to their satisfaction, or not, such as they wish.
It's not the system, per se, it's the persons involved and the high likelyhood that someone is willing to misrepresent some component for personal gain, because it's easier to profit through manipulation than honesty
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


You're ignoring the power of money. Someone who has money is not as powerless as someone who has no money. Therefor his morality will triumph. In your theory people could "agree", in reality that is not the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


money has no power other than what the individual gives it.
It has no other power, it's a symbol of domination to the thief or a symbol of survial to the poor.
Money isnt magic, at least, not to normal adults
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You're such laughable liar. You constantly need to deny reality to fit your nonsense.
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money has no power other than what the individual gives it.
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As if that would close the argument. Yeah, money has no power other than what an individual gives it. So what right? You only need to it to get anything, your food, your house, your education, but other than that it means nothing.
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money has no power other than what the individual gives it.
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As if that would close the argument. Yeah, money has no power other than what an individual gives it. So what right? You only need to it to get anything, your food, your house, your education, but other than that it means nothing.
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Money=Power. The law is supposed to put limits in the transfer function.
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gun confiscation is an indication that a collapse is within sight...
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Today We're One Step Closer To The Market Crash While The Real 2013 Cliff Is Still In Front of Us

[link to investmentwatchblog.com]
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Capitalism is the solution to the problem, government interference is the problem.
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Capitalism and elections lead to gouvernment intervention.

A capitalist who doesn't bribe(lobby) for his advantage will lose to those who do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


Capitalism, or, for that matter, ANY model of financial theory and activity DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTOMATIC MORAL COMPONENT, the model has no intrinsic morality because it's A FRIKKEN MODEL and doesnt stand alone outside of the social values of those implementing the FINANCIAL THEORY.

ANY financial system, seperated from another, seperate system of morality will go haywire, because human nature doesnt change, regardless of system attempted.

To review, FINANCIAL MODEL isnt in any way a MORAL MODEL, so no need to imagine there is any connection.

For example, nature is a purely capitalist system, and there is no human morality imposed upon it.
But, at least it's what works, especially as there are no other natural systems, no socialism, no communism no nothing else where free will has any play in it. Insects are not socialist, there is no will and no capacity to change any single organisms duty based on it's inherited form, and nothing other than working at predetermined roles til death.
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Democracy is the rule of money. Anyone who can't see that is blind to the truth.
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this is a republic, government schools teach people that this is a democracy, but calling a frog a dog, doesn't make it so.
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Capitalism and elections lead to gouvernment intervention.

A capitalist who doesn't bribe(lobby) for his advantage will lose to those who do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412235


Capitalism, or, for that matter, ANY model of financial theory and activity DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTOMATIC MORAL COMPONENT, the model has no intrinsic morality because it's A FRIKKEN MODEL and doesnt stand alone outside of the social values of those implementing the FINANCIAL THEORY.

ANY financial system, seperated from another, seperate system of morality will go haywire, because human nature doesnt change, regardless of system attempted.

To review, FINANCIAL MODEL isnt in any way a MORAL MODEL, so no need to imagine there is any connection.

For example, nature is a purely capitalist system, and there is no human morality imposed upon it.
But, at least it's what works, especially as there are no other natural systems, no socialism, no communism no nothing else where free will has any play in it. Insects are not socialist, there is no will and no capacity to change any single organisms duty based on it's inherited form, and nothing other than working at predetermined roles til death.
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Democracy is the rule of money. Anyone who can't see that is blind to the truth.
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this is a republic, government schools teach people that this is a democracy, but calling a frog a dog, doesn't make it so.
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NOW who's being naive?
This hasnt been a functioning repbulic for some time, BY DEFINITION no normal honest person would agree to saddle the public with unpayable debt, then attempt to collect it.

Dictionary definitions are a starting point, and a touchstone, and if you think this present crazy train run by insiders,lawyers and dual citizens is properly representative of what the nation was supposed to be, you need almost as much medication as the boy youre responding to.
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It's called finance capitalism...
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Capitalism is the solution to the problem, government interference is the problem.
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All things in moderation. If you see that the progression of completely unrestricted capitalism leads to corporatism, then you must consider the possibility that it CAN be dangerous if not moderated.
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"Can't stop the music, they played it much to long"
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I think they WANT run away hyperinflation so that conditions are so bad that all of America will be begging for their NWO paperless electronic global control new currency.

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So when do you think it will end?
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I give it 10-12 years tops. Could be sooner.

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