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One of our fellow GLPers posted this site, which I found interesting and easy to read:

[link to www.truthin7minutes.com]

Despite my name, I love a good conspiracy, and I do a “gut check” before I decide for or against a stance. My gut told me that there was no conspiracy involving Sandy Hook. Yet, I have looked at everything that has been written on the subject to form a better opinion. I have decided that there is simply no conspiracy here. Coincidences maybe, but no concrete evidence to show that the official story is wrong. So I have taken the major arguments from the website posted above, and I have provided rational responses to those arguments. If someone has something else to add, I would love to consider it.

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Argument: Senseless Motive

Answer: Adam Lanza was a psychopath who did not think rationally like many of us would. Therefore, it would not make sense to say. Psychopaths like Adam Lanza do not need a motive to go crazy. It is in their nature.

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Argument: 26 people dead in just 3 minutes is too quick

Answer: No it’s not. Not in a cramped elementary school full of panicked children. Teens in high school, maybe it would be a little too quick. But when we are talking about first graders, they are sitting ducks.

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Argument: Adam Lanza committing suicide while wearing a bulletproof vest does not make sense

Answer: Yes it does. Adam did not want to get caught, but he wanted to kill as many people as possible. He wanted to control his own destiny. He did not want someone shooting him down before he felt like he was finished.

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Argument: Parents of the dead children and other survivors are smiling on camera

Answer: I do believe that people smile when they are nervous, and so many of these images that are being shown to advance the conspiracy may very well just be nerves. However, I believe that these images of smiling faces are taken largely out of context. I believe they are stills taken while they are recalling fond memories of those that they lost, i.e. happy moments, appreciation, etc. I only see pictures of smiling faces. In order for me to buy into this conspiracy, I would need to see actual footage of people smiling throughout entire interviews.

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Argument: Fake crying and dry eyes

Answer: I went through and looked at the interviews. All except for Robbie Parker have actual tears. I actually don’t understand this argument. It seems clear to me that there is legitimate crying.

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Argument: Schools that have active shooter drills have school shootings

Answer: A lot of schools have active shooter drills. A lot of schools have brick walls too. Are you saying that there is a correlation between brick walls and school shootings?

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Argument: Professional actors were used

Answer: So I have looked at these “crisis actors” and looked at the examples of how they have been used. Like Chloe Anderson and Richard and Jennifer Sexton family. While there are some similarities, they are all far from an exact match. Am I missing out on something?

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Argument: Children that were initially listed as dead are actually alive and other impossible evidence

Answer: There was confusion in the days after the shooting. No one really knew what was going on, and so there a mix up in stories. Just because people have different versions of events because of a complex situation does not mean there is a cover-up.

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Argument: Hook-em-horns are everywhere

Answer: I have only seen them in two places. One was with a picture of Emilie Parker, who looks like a little girl just making weird symbols with her hands (no evil intentions). The other was a picture of an old man in the background giving them. So one picture? Come on…

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Argument: Sloppy imaging from a picture of the Parker family.

Answer: I don’t see what is so sloppy about it. They are saying that one of the Parker girls is missing a leg, but they are both clearly there. One is just handing off the side of her dad’s lap. As with the head being too big, I don’t see what is so big about it. And then they say that one of the fingers is too long, but again, it seems like a normal finger.
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While I do agree with everything you say and I even said some of the same things that Friday and the following days after, I'm not 100% on this just being a case of a young man who was mentally ill that went on a rampage. Part of me does think that something more sinister made all of this happen but just a small part of me thinks that. Good post though.
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While I do agree with everything you say and I even said some of the same things that Friday and the following days after, I'm not 100% on this just being a case of a young man who was mentally ill that went on a rampage. Part of me does think that something more sinister made all of this happen but just a small part of me thinks that. Good post though.
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Thanks. I will say, if the government wanted to kick start some sort of gun control initiative, this is a good way to do it.
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Good post.
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here is the intelligenet querstions that need to be asked and answered

here is the real problem

Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

[link to www.youtube.com]
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QUESTIONS LIKE
why was a convicted fellons car being reported as belonging to adams mum?
you know the one with the GUN IN IT!

here is the intelligent questions that need to be asked and answered

here is the real problem

Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: Rational answers to the irrational Sandy Hook conspiracy arguments
here is the intelligenet querstions that need to be asked and answered

here is the real problem

Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

[link to www.youtube.com]
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The video brings up the point, so I will address it. It wasn't on the website that I was referring to, so that's why I haven't talking about some of these things.

Argument: There is no proof as to how Adam Lanza got to the scene of the crime.

Answer: That doesn't mean that he wasn't there. There are alternative forms of transportation rather than Adam Lanza driving. And the truth is that this is an ongoing investigation with information that the general public is not privy to. These details will come out later, but why get hung up on something so insignificant? Because you want to catch someone in a mix-up in a situation that is very complex and new? It's bound to happen
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Re: Rational answers to the irrational Sandy Hook conspiracy arguments
Another one the video brings up:

Argument: There was only one shot up car.

Answer: There is not really any concrete evidence to show that a car was shot up to begin with. But even if it was, why would it be so hard to believe that a car had bullet holes in it at the scene of a school shooting? While no windows were broken, it is very conceivable that a teacher would have had a window already open.
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Was curious on why another person was said to of been found and arrested and then it was dropped. Never heard another thing about the individual.
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Was curious on why another person was said to of been found and arrested and then it was dropped. Never heard another thing about the individual.
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A lot of these kinds of questions are easily answered. There is simply a mix-up in stories in the few hours after such a huge event. They also immediately said that Nancy Lanza was a teacher, yet they were wrong.
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Could be the reason. It is a rational assumption and therefore believable but still odd it was not mentioned again. This coming from a paid shill who is not a paid shill gives one pause however.
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QUESTIONS LIKE
why was a convicted fellons car being reported as belonging to adams mum?
you know the one with the GUN IN IT
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here is the intelligent questions that need to be asked and answered

here is the real problem

Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31412698


Didn't hear that.. but wasn't the batman shooter's car also registered to some other person, thinking it was later reported to be someone's in Tennessee..
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Re: Rational answers to the irrational Sandy Hook conspiracy arguments
Another one the video brings up:

Argument: There was only one shot up car.

Answer: There is not really any concrete evidence to show that a car was shot up to begin with. But even if it was, why would it be so hard to believe that a car had bullet holes in it at the scene of a school shooting? While no windows were broken, it is very conceivable that a teacher would have had a window already open.
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At 9.30 am in the middle of december?

How about that there is no evidence of 600 kids being evacuated?

Only one (imbedded) photographer took photo's of the evac process and there is at most two dozen kids in the three photo's released so far. NOTE: I am talking about the phase where kids are being evacuated from the school to the fire staton.

Why did no videos capture the kids filing out of the school, or marching to the fire station?

Why is there not one photo or video of the mass assembly of kids that is supposed to be inside the fire station (could the firestation even hold hundreds of kids)?

There are a few dozen photo's of kids being reunited with parents, but these are in no way convincing that there was 600 kids in that school that day.

And there is nothing at all convincing about the photo's (and lack thereof) of the two stages that should show a mass exodus and mass assembly.
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How about that there is no evidence of 600 kids being evacuated?

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This kind of shit is driving me nuts---

So, there weren't any kids in the school to begin with?

The 600 kids are still in the school?

The 600 kids and their 1200 parents are all actors? Or all in on the conspiracy? Or they're all holograms?

Come on. Some of you guys need to stand up, go outside and run around for a while.
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One of our fellow GLPers posted this site, which I found interesting and easy to read:

[link to www.truthin7minutes.com]

Despite my name, I love a good conspiracy, and I do a “gut check” before I decide for or against a stance. My gut told me that there was no conspiracy involving Sandy Hook. Yet, I have looked at everything that has been written on the subject to form a better opinion. I have decided that there is simply no conspiracy here. Coincidences maybe, but no concrete evidence to show that the official story is wrong. So I have taken the major arguments from the website posted above, and I have provided rational responses to those arguments. If someone has something else to add, I would love to consider it.
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uh.....yeh......wtf r u doing on a "conspiracy forum" then, eh?!?....why don't you go peddle yr crap to the brain-dead 'tards out there who believe every bit of drivel spewed outta the eedjit box, eh?!?

(duh!!....dat man on da TV said it's true....so....it must be, eh?!? duh!!)

actually, a good argument could be made that any-one who believes "the official version" of this rubbish should be rapidly acquainted with the business end of a Louisville slugger!!

this is so obviously bogus (much more so than even 9/11) that any-one with ½-dzn fully functioning brain cells should be able to see through it!!

from Prfssr James F Tracy, Florida Atlantic University......

Inconsistencies and anomalies abound when one turns an analytical eye to news of the Newtown school massacre. The public’s general acceptance of the event’s validity and faith in its resolution suggests a deepened credulousness borne from a world where almost all news and information is electronically mediated and controlled. The condition is reinforced through the corporate media’s unwillingness to push hard questions vis-à-vis Connecticut and federal authorities who together bottlenecked information while invoking prior restraint through threats of prosecutorial action against journalists and the broader citizenry seeking to interpret the event on social media


more here.........

[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

and here.....

[link to memoryholeblog.com]


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Debunked:

[link to www.norwalkcitizenonline.com]
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from Prfssr James F Tracy, Florida Atlantic University......


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I don't really see how some crank academic in Florida (or someone from Great Britain for that matter) can make any definitive statements about what happened in Newtown.

One thing that can be said for sure about those commenting and "researching" this event: I've yet to see any Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists with their boots on the ground in Connecticut using their real name.
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How about that there is no evidence of 600 kids being evacuated?

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So, there weren't any kids in the school to begin with?


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There weren't six hundred kids there on the day of the shooting, all the evidence is that the school was virtually empty.

If there was 600 kids there would be evidence of a mass exodus instead of just a few staged photo's from one (embedded) photographer showing a few dozen kids. The helicopter camera's would have caught the kids marching up dickenson dr.

If there was 600 kids they wouldn't have all fitted into the fire station, and there would be some evidence they were there. Instead we are expected to simply believe they were all crammed in there because that's what we are told.

The school was not a functioning school on the day of the "shooting", the only people there were those who were willing participants in a false flag operation.

Here is a link to where you will see the only photo's I know of that show kids evacuation the school, there are three nicely staged ones in total.

[link to lightbox.time.com]

Like I said, all the evidence is that Sandy Hook did not have it's full compliment of students on the day of the shooting.
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There weren't six hundred kids there on the day of the shooting, all the evidence is that the school was virtually empty.

The school was not a functioning school on the day of the "shooting", the only people there were those who were willing participants in a false flag operation.


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So, let's take this from the beginning:

There WAS a Sandy Hook elementary school? Yes?

There were 600 some students who attended it?

But most of the students actually weren't there that day. So, how exactly did that work? They sent home slips to all the parents saying "don't send your kid to school tomorrow unless you want to be part of our fun false flag activities" (?

You're talking about around 1200 parents. Not counting siblings. From a neighborhood school. In a small town. How in the hell would you arrange that and keep it a secret? I have to assume you have never had a kid in an suburban American elementary school but it would take about 45 minutes for every mother involved to figure out what was going on. They would have figured it out the night before or whenever the message came out not to go to school that day. Are all these people imaginary? Actors? In on the conspiracy? I mean come on!
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you didnt really answer any of the questions with any factual evidence..which is the biggest problem, all people want is factual evidence.
anybody who has looked at this objectionably will see that something suspicious happened here, like 9/11 the official story just doesnt make sense.
u also addressed only a few of the questions, and i guarantee as time goes on more will arise.
u wont convince me that scrawny kid carried all them guns and ammunition, with a vest and mask went into there and exucuted them people with such precision then killed himself, all because he was a psycho? what happened to innocent till proven guilty
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There weren't six hundred kids there on the day of the shooting, all the evidence is that the school was virtually empty.

The school was not a functioning school on the day of the "shooting", the only people there were those who were willing participants in a false flag operation.


 Quoting: HooleyDooley


So, let's take this from the beginning:

There WAS a Sandy Hook elementary school? Yes?

There were 600 some students who attended it?

But most of the students actually weren't there that day. So, how exactly did that work?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


I doubt anyone will put together exactly how they pulled this off, so I won't speculate.

But what we do know from the evidence is that there were not 600 students at Sandy Hook that day, it is IMPOSSIBLE for all the camera's to miss a mass evacuation on that scale.

I would also suggest it is highly improbable, if not impossible, that the 600 students could all fit into the fire station nicely hidden from view.

Sandy Hook, on the day of the "massacre", was not a full functioning school, it was essentially a stage set where only willing participants in the fraud were present.

How they achieved this I do not know.
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how does a government out something like this without any1 knowing? well they have done it numerous times before?

its not that hard when u consider how easily influenced people are, the majority relies on mainstream news and media for most of its information, then take into account the majority of people have been systematically poisened throughout their whole life, fluoride bein just 1 example, then consider a week later most people couldnt care less about the whole story and the people still questioning things are considered nutcase conspiracy theorists, the official story has already been brainwashed into the majorities mind.

the truth will come out but by then theres nothing that can be done and people will still think the governments know best and have only our interests at heart.

a leopard never changes its spots, goverments will always be corrupt
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from Prfssr James F Tracy, Florida Atlantic University......


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 Quoting: James von Brunne


I don't really see how some crank academic in Florida (or someone from Great Britain for that matter) can make any definitive statements about what happened in Newtown.

One thing that can be said for sure about those commenting and "researching" this event: I've yet to see any Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists with their boots on the ground in Connecticut using their real name.
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blow it out yer ARSE, drongo!!

so....wtf?!?.....he's "a crank" because he doesn't believe the official Bull-shite, eh?!?...i'd say yr a CRANK if you DO believe it!!

as for "boots on the ground".....eh.....i'v been calling now for several days on this and other forums...for a full, independent investigation by a team of competent and trust-worthy private investigators....the NRA should be funding this!!

it's more than probable that there were quite a bunch of people involved in this cover-up....and another large bunch "on the peripheries", as it were.....Newtown is supposed to have a lot of satanist bastards...you think cunts like that, if they were "in" on it....would hesitate for a fckn MICRO-second before "offing" some-one who was asking lots of questions abt this?

so....that's why top-shelf PIs are needed.....which, of course, $costs$......and.....so.....that's why the NRA needs to become involved....

many of the so-called mass-shootings in recent years have been obvious false flags.....going back to the Dunblane and Port Arthur massacres in 1996....these maggots use the same "modus operandi" all the fckn time....lone-nut gun-man commits massacre with high emotional impact...usually involving kids.....lone nut gun-man then, usually, "suicides"......sensationalist media reporting of incident...ID'ing afore-said gun-man even before the cops have made preliminary inquiries.....politician scum and media mongrels barraging and brow-beating the ordinary punters for tougher gun laws.....said "gun laws", of course, already having been drafted, written and "ready-to-go"....hear be the marks of a conspiracy!!

see the other "post" on this which contains articles from a mass-shootings investigator in Australia........(especially the stuff abt "professional witnesses"!)
Thread: Sandy Hook massacre....a Down Under perspective (requesting "pin"!)


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Great thread. Only a moron would believe most of the crap the sandy conspiracy fags are spewing.
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Great thread. Only a moron would believe most of the crap the sandy conspiracy fags are spewing.
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Idiotic posts like this only bolster the case that there was a conspiracy.

To the shill's paymaster: you're not getting your money's worth.

At least this one can spell though.
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How they achieved this I do not know.
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You don't know because there isn't any remotely plausible explanation for your theory.

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