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Where are the oldest writings of the Bible? Do they exist?

 
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Wasn't sure what to call this thread in the subject line. But the above is as clear as I could make it.

Can anyone share with me the oldest resource for the books of the Old Testament. Specifically, the first five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The oldest I have found are the Dead Sea Scrolls which were purportedly written around 300-400 AD. But there has got to be older documents. Right?

I mean, the first five books were written my Moses so those five have been around for a well over two thousand years. Moses died approximately 3500 years ago.

Therefore, there should be much older versions of these five books written in a text that predates the modern hebrew language used today (which came into use after the Israel's babylonian captivity around 2200 years ago).

My questions is, "Where are these writings?" Does anyone have any knowledge about Old Testament/Torah writings that predate the Dead Sea Scrolls?

References, links, etc. appreciated.
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THe following texts can be found on the web.


Atra Hasis

Enuma Elish
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Try the Hymn to Aten and the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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Bro, what's the reason you create this thread? To find the truth or to find Christianity faults?

My suggestion, if you really want to find the truth, never let a small mistakes found, destroying your faith in Jesus. There's a reason why the bible still exist until now, it is because God want it that way.

Jesus bless you my friend... Hope you find the truth, not your own truth.

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Re: Where are the oldest writings of the Bible? Do they exist?
you mean the original first texts, which were printed (translated) in the bible ?
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Wasn't sure what to call this thread in the subject line. But the above is as clear as I could make it.

Can anyone share with me the oldest resource for the books of the Old Testament. Specifically, the first five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The oldest I have found are the Dead Sea Scrolls which were purportedly written around 300-400 AD. But there has got to be older documents. Right?

I mean, the first five books were written my Moses so those five have been around for a well over two thousand years. Moses died approximately 3500 years ago.

Therefore, there should be much older versions of these five books written in a text that predates the modern hebrew language used today (which came into use after the Israel's babylonian captivity around 2200 years ago).

My questions is, "Where are these writings?" Does anyone have any knowledge about Old Testament/Torah writings that predate the Dead Sea Scrolls?

References, links, etc. appreciated.
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Well even the oldest books have been translated many times over, the most purest of form, you can get in my opinion, is from the ancient Aryan text, the trick is where to find them, and i know where to look, but i hesitate in full explanation due to nature of this site, but i will say this, the oldest books have been translate from various cultures over time, but there are still recongnizeable correlations, if you know what you are looking for, and understand the dynamics of symbology to a certain degree.

A starting point would be the kolbrin, and its description of the exodus.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

You might also find some hints here, in relation to moses and the land of sin, or the sini.

Thread: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC (Page 20)
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Op, this may not be what you are looking for, but it's a place to start. If you want a true history, you will need to temporarily discard your current belief system in order to read authors of ancient literature in the areas of the occult, native, gnosis, Sumerian, etc, although you will certainly find many of the ancient biblical texts here.

You do not need to believe in what you are reading if it goes against your grain, but without this knowledge you can't learn much of our history.

This first link will provide many other links, as well. Each article is well documented. It is a compilation of literature available on the internet, although no site is comprehensive.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.halexandria.org]
[link to www.hermetics.org]
[link to www.crystalinks.com]

But if you want the real scoop, I think you have to break into the Vatican's library :)
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The oldest scriptures are the Vedas and the Sumerian scrolls. The Sumerian scrolls are the freshest discovery as many are still being translated. Much of the bible was taken from Sumerian scriptures.

In fact, the bible is like the Cliffs Notes for Sumerian scriptures. Just a rudimentary summary of some things. If you want to be genuinely informed, read Sumerian translations directly.
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Can anyone share with me the oldest resource for the books of the Old Testament. Specifically, the first five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The oldest I have found are the Dead Sea Scrolls which were purportedly written around 300-400 AD. But there has got to be older documents. Right?

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The dead sea scrolls are supposed to have been written between 250 BC and 70 AD.

The Dead Sea Scrolls contain at least fragments of every book in the Old Testament except the book of Esther. More than ten scrolls were beautifully preserved intact including two copies of Isaiah.

[link to www.provethebible.net]

but we talk about fragments, we dont have a full book until the codices I think.

Until the 1947 find, the oldest and fullest Manuscript in
Hebrew was the Codex Petropolitanus, dating from about 916 A.D.
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go to vatican library and ask if they have one, gl
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Bro, what's the reason you create this thread? To find the truth or to find Christianity faults?

My suggestion, if you really want to find the truth, never let a small mistakes found, destroying your faith in Jesus. There's a reason why the bible still exist until now, it is because God want it that way.

Jesus bless you my friend... Hope you find the truth, not your own truth.
 Quoting: discipleofjesuschrist


Your wisdom took me over thirty years of research to come back full circle to my faith in Jesus Christ. With such a few years to live on this Earth, I wanted to know the truth. I found it right where it was taught to me when I was a child.

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THe following texts can be found on the web.


Atra Hasis

Enuma Elish
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Thanks, Anon. C. I did a quick search of both of your suggestions. Very interesting: Atra Hasis is Sumerian. Heard a lot about various Sumerian texts but not heard of this particular one. And the Enuma Elish is babylonian. I am not really interested in babylonian text, but I will check it out as well.

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Try the Hymn to Aten and the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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I am familiar with these two. I will check them out. Thanks, L Zevo.

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Re: Where are the oldest writings of the Bible? Do they exist?
Wasn't sure what to call this thread in the subject line. But the above is as clear as I could make it.

Can anyone share with me the oldest resource for the books of the Old Testament. Specifically, the first five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The oldest I have found are the Dead Sea Scrolls which were purportedly written around 300-400 AD. But there has got to be older documents. Right?

I mean, the first five books were written my Moses so those five have been around for a well over two thousand years. Moses died approximately 3500 years ago.

Therefore, there should be much older versions of these five books written in a text that predates the modern hebrew language used today (which came into use after the Israel's babylonian captivity around 2200 years ago).

My questions is, "Where are these writings?" Does anyone have any knowledge about Old Testament/Torah writings that predate the Dead Sea Scrolls?

References, links, etc. appreciated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31471456


Well even the oldest books have been translated many times over, the most purest of form, you can get in my opinion, is from the ancient Aryan text, the trick is where to find them, and i know where to look, but i hesitate in full explanation due to nature of this site, but i will say this, the oldest books have been translate from various cultures over time, but there are still recongnizeable correlations, if you know what you are looking for, and understand the dynamics of symbology to a certain degree.

A starting point would be the kolbrin, and its description of the exodus.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

You might also find some hints here, in relation to moses and the land of sin, or the sini.

Thread: MYSTERIES of ANCIENT NEW ZEALAND and THE PACIFIC (Page 20)
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Thanks for the reply and the kolbrin links. This site has a lot of information aside from the kolbrin. I have taken a very cursory look at Aryan text, but not with the mind set that they may be the foundational to the Torah.
And the exodus story is "popping up" everywhere. Thx.
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All responses are appreciated. But, so far, none seem to link directly to the Old Testament's first five books (Torah). I will review the above resources and comment. I've got to take off for now; will check back ASAP.

Keep the suggestions and comments coming.

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Bro, what's the reason you create this thread? To find the truth or to find Christianity faults?

My suggestion, if you really want to find the truth, never let a small mistakes found, destroying your faith in Jesus. There's a reason why the bible still exist until now, it is because God want it that way.

Jesus bless you my friend... Hope you find the truth, not your own truth.
 Quoting: discipleofjesuschrist


Your wisdom took me over thirty years of research to come back full circle to my faith in Jesus Christ. With such a few years to live on this Earth, I wanted to know the truth. I found it right where it was taught to me when I was a child.
 Quoting: Angel Helper


So very well said @Angel Helper, very well said indeed!
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pretty sure they are kept inside masonic temples
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Op, this may not be what you are looking for, but it's a place to start. If you want a true history, you will need to temporarily discard your current belief system in order to read authors of ancient literature in the areas of the occult, native, gnosis, Sumerian, etc, although you will certainly find many of the ancient biblical texts here.

You do not need to believe in what you are reading if it goes against your grain, but without this knowledge you can't learn much of our history.

This first link will provide many other links, as well. Each article is well documented. It is a compilation of literature available on the internet, although no site is comprehensive.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.halexandria.org]
[link to www.hermetics.org]
[link to www.crystalinks.com]

But if you want the real scoop, I think you have to break into the Vatican's library :)
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Much appreciated, AC31485594.
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THe following texts can be found on the web.


Atra Hasis

Enuma Elish
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Thanks, Anon. C. I did a quick search of both of your suggestions. Very interesting: Atra Hasis is Sumerian. Heard a lot about various Sumerian texts but not heard of this particular one. And the Enuma Elish is babylonian. I am not really interested in babylonian text, but I will check it out as well.

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THe Enuma Elish is based on the 7 tablets of the Sumerian Creation Myth.

But of course the Babylonians later adopted Assyrian and other Mesopotamian belief structures.
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go to vatican library and ask if they have one, gl
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LoL. I know... Right!
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THe following texts can be found on the web.


Atra Hasis

Enuma Elish
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31421029


Thanks, Anon. C. I did a quick search of both of your suggestions. Very interesting: Atra Hasis is Sumerian. Heard a lot about various Sumerian texts but not heard of this particular one. And the Enuma Elish is babylonian. I am not really interested in babylonian text, but I will check it out as well.

Ordinary Citizen©
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THe Enuma Elish is based on the 7 tablets of the Sumerian Creation Myth.

But of course the Babylonians later adopted Assyrian and other Mesopotamian belief structures.
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I see(regarding the Enuma Elish).

During my search, I did find the Ten Commandments (or The Decalogue) written in Paleo-Hebrew. One of these was actually found in North America: www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.html. There's quite a bit of information about it on wikipedia as well: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

There are other N. American artifacts that appear to contain P/H inscriptions: the Bat Creek Stone and the Graves Creek Stone. I'm still trying to find information on these artifacts' authenticity.
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^The above is from me, the OP.^
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Check Paleo-Hebrew in wikipedia, it looks like nordic runes. More info in Talmud, Sanhedrin 21b: Mar Zutra or, as some say, Mar ‘Ukba said: Originally the Torah was given to Israel in Hebrew characters and in the sacred [Hebrew] language; later, in the times of Ezra,[Nehemiah 8] the Torah was given in Ashshurith script [Assyrian; modern Hebrew square writing.] and Aramaic language. [Finally], they selected for Israel [R. Han. reads, ‘Israel chose for themselves’.] the Ashshurith script and Hebrew language, leaving the Hebrew characters and Aramaic language for the hedyototh. Who are meant by the ‘hedyototh’? — R. Hisda answers: The Cutheans.[`The Samaritans’, so called because they were brought by Sargon, king of Assyria, from Cuthea, to take the place of the exiled Israelites] And what is meant by Hebrew characters? — R. Hisda said: The libuna'ah script.[Rashi: Large characters as employed in amulets. R. Tam, in Tosaf. s. v. c,f recognises in ‘libuna'ah’ an adjective
from the name of some locality. (Lebanon, or Libya?) Another opinion is that libuna'ah is derived from ‘lebenah’, brick;
hence writing found on clay-tablets. V. J.E. I, p. 445.]
Also check Megilah 3a about Targum translation.

Then appeared Masoretic Text, 10th century, and latest is Leningrad codex, on which is based all 20th century Bible translations, including Jewish Tanakh.

By legend, when Moses came from mountain, stones where hanging besides him, with commandments written on it.

Torah is written with black fire on white fire.
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The oldest scriptures are the Vedas and the Sumerian scrolls. The Sumerian scrolls are the freshest discovery as many are still being translated. Much of the bible was taken from Sumerian scriptures.

In fact, the bible is like the Cliffs Notes for Sumerian scriptures. Just a rudimentary summary of some things. If you want to be genuinely informed, read Sumerian translations directly.
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This is the answer.

Thanks AChf
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I hear they keep it in a pigs ass;
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Fascinating to read about your relatives, but your post is unwelcome and off-topic.^
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I've gone off on a tangent researching Paleo Hebrew artifacts. Here's another one that is surrounded by considerable controversy:

[link to www.bibleinterp.com]
www.bibleinterp.com/articles/ablslast.shtml

The above article discusses the object's authenticity in detail. I wonder why the naysayers were so bent on discrediting this find?
I am the OP, by the way...
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I've gone off on a tangent researching Paleo Hebrew artifacts. Here's another one that is surrounded by considerable controversy:

[link to www.bibleinterp.com]
www.bibleinterp.com/articles/ablslast.shtml

The above article discusses the object's authenticity in detail. I wonder why the naysayers were so bent on discrediting this find?
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I've gone off on a tangent researching Paleo Hebrew artifacts. Here's another one that is surrounded by considerable controversy:

[link to www.bibleinterp.com]
www.bibleinterp.com/articles/ablslast.shtml

The above article discusses the object's authenticity in detail. I wonder why the naysayers were so bent on discrediting this find?
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 Quoting: I am the OP, by the way... 31830102


Jerusalem District Court finds the Jehoash Stone NOT to be a forgery:

asorblog.org/?p=1972#more-1972
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OP, I not clearly answered, ancient Bible was in stone, something like Stonehenge. In papyrus or paper, writings had only secret societies.
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The very first and original Texts that make up the Jewish Torah (First 5 books of the Bible), the original texts as written by Moses and Joshua, were contained within the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ark was then eventually lost, and has never been seen again. Legend claims it was taken back up into Heaven.

However.

As God promised the Hebrew's when He came down the Mountain after Moses, he fulfilled his promise to come to them in another form when he sent His Son, Jesus Chris... to create and fulfill a NEW Covenant!

Jesus Christ stated, "I am the New Covenant!" ...which in truth, renders the Torah null and void as a document of laws and rules.

Therefore, God rendered the Old Covenant (Old Testament) meaningless by giving us his New Covenant (New Testament/Jesus Christ)...

So the original manuscripts will likely never be found as they were destroyed by God himself. The Hebrew's however refused to accept Jesus Christ for who he is, and clung too their Torah, and still cling to it to this very day! The interesting part about this is, the Torah details the specific requirements that must be fulfilled to be Messiah, and Jesus Christ met and fulfill each of them, and yet they still refused to accept Him and they will continue to refuse to accept Him until the very LAST minute, when Lucifer and his earthly Armies have Jerusalem surrounded in a military blockade in a last ditch attempt to wipe out the Hebrew Race from the entire face of the earth.

At this point.

Christ returns, and declares the Word of God before all on Earth, "I Am That I Am!" Meaning he proclaims God's Name as His own Name, and the Word he speaks, lays waste to all of Lucifer's armies.

THEN.

The original Ark of the Covenant will be revealed in Heaven for all to see, with its original contents still safe inside it. The direct Word of God itself, dictated from God Himself, directly to Moses...

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