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Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"

 
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Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
The authors of the Constitution & Bill of Right were certainly far more intelligent than vanity fair and had experience being ruled by a king (though we are now getting to live that experience now).

Other writings by these authors from that time, like the Federalist papers, demonstrate their ability to convey exactly what they meant and intended, no doubts at all. The written word was the only permanent means of communicating at that time and was carefully contemplated; unlike vanity spewing out the tripe that passes as journalism today.

I think it says exactly what it says; ...the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Seems pretty damn straightforward!
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You condemn the second amendment and yet you enjoy the peace and security firearms provide,hypocrites.
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The Vanity Fair is trash once and a while they have a decent paragraph in an article.
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The Vanity Fair is trash once in a while they have a decent photograph in an article.
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There - fixed it for you.
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It's run by the jewish Newhouse family. Jews are trying to disarm us. They're forming a total dictatorship.

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The authors of the Constitution & Bill of Right were certainly far more intelligent than vanity fair and had experience being ruled by a king (though we are now getting to live that experience now).

Other writings by these authors from that time, like the Federalist papers, demonstrate their ability to convey exactly what they meant and intended, no doubts at all. The written word was the only permanent means of communicating at that time and was carefully contemplated; unlike vanity spewing out the tripe that passes as journalism today.

I think it says exactly what it says; ...the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Seems pretty damn straightforward!
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Agreed, it says exactly what it says! The confusion is how anyone can misunderstand that.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow


"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

This is proof that the American public have degraded substantially in intelligence.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17660272


Evil cannot be pleaded with nor convinced of anything other then what they want. They only respect money, power, and death.
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And dumb bitches across America will continue to read that mindless smutt. There in lies the problem with our population.
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow


"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

This is proof that the American public have degraded substantially in intelligence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540613


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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17660272


Evil cannot be pleaded with nor convinced of anything other then what they want. They only respect money, power, and death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540613


5a5a5a5a5a5a5ahidingiamwith
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17660272


I did notice that the comments under the article DID bombard him with truth, liberty and the constitution.

But I completely agree; everyone keeps talking about what to do when and if they come for our guns. But there's not a lot of talk about what we should be doing right now. But what do you do? There are petitions, the NRA, and people are writing and calling..we're pretty much doing all that's at our fingertips.
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And dumb bitches across America will continue to read that mindless smutt. There in lies the problem with our population.
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True, the media is half the problem.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow


"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

This is proof that the American public have degraded substantially in intelligence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29540613


5a5a5a5a5a5ahidingiamwith
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For real!
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You condemn the second amendment and yet you enjoy the peace and security firearms provide,hypocrites.
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problem for you is there is far more peace and security in countries without it.
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People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17660272


To defeat your enemy, you have to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. To cure an illness, you must discover its roots, then have the means to eradicate it.

Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

To dumb it down, no amount of writing, calling or emailing will stop this foe.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow



The right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.
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It's run by the jewish Newhouse family. Jews are trying to disarm us. They're forming a total dictatorship.


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Thank you for that, come on people if you haven't already awoke to that of the Jew please do. Seriously.
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You condemn the second amendment and yet you enjoy the peace and security firearms provide,hypocrites.
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problem for you is there is far more peace and security in countries without it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31507548


Statistics and data don't support that. Less guns = more violence all throughout history, including your own. I'm glad you feel peace and security, but's it's not because you have gun control. All around you violence is on the rise since your gun laws were changed.
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17660272


To defeat your enemy, you have to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. To cure an illness, you must discover its roots, then have the means to eradicate it.

Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

To dumb it down, no amount of writing, calling or emailing will stop this foe.
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So you're saying it's no use, give up?
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17660272


To defeat your enemy, you have to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. To cure an illness, you must discover its roots, then have the means to eradicate it.

Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

To dumb it down, no amount of writing, calling or emailing will stop this foe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12966144

So you're saying it's no use, give up?
 Quoting: Little Willow


No, Little Willow. Without faith, it is impossible to please God, and faith without works is dead. Short little Zaccheus climbed up the fig tree to see Jesus. If there weren't the fig tree there and he hadn't have climbed it, he would not have seen Jesus. Should the fig tree boast that its presence made it possible for Zaccheus to see Jesus? No, because those who humble themselves will be exalted, and those who exalt themselves will be humbled.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
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It is in the constitution and therefore it is a right to own weapons in America. It's gotten ludicrous however. Gun shops selling out of assault rifles. Reason has been all but lost and I am saddened. Am not against guns. Not a hunter but understand that many are, some people target practice etc. but why assault rifles? Who are the many that they wish to mow down? It's hard to wrap my head around.
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It's run by the jewish Newhouse family. Jews are trying to disarm us. They're forming a total dictatorship.


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Why can't they just all go to Israel putin
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The Second Amendment is the one which defends the entire Constitution, including all the other Amendments (and especially the nine in the Bill of Rights).

They'll never repeal it.

They can try, but they're doomed to failure.

On the other hand, Congress does try to violate it, which they do at their peril, because the Constitution is the only thing which legitimizes our government. Without it, they're nothing but a pack of thieves, and should be hung from trees.

That's not a threat, by the way, as I did say "without it", and it is still fully in force as the law of our land.

If they're really in the mood to mess with Amending the Constitution, they should check this other thread:

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