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Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"

 
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
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That's rich, coming from an Anonymous Coward. What chains. I think my society affords more actual freedom than yours. It's not freedom when people have to be afraid for their safety. You are chained to your guns in a vicious circle of gun supply and demand. You get them, they get stolen, now you need more guns to defend yourselves.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
 Quoting: DrWho

Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


That's rich, coming from an Anonymous Coward. What chains. I think my society affords more actual freedom than yours. It's not freedom when people have to be afraid for their safety. You are chained to your guns in a vicious circle of gun supply and demand. You get them, they get stolen, now you need more guns to defend yourselves.
 Quoting: DrWho

used to enjoy fishing in your country years ago ,before you became an overregulated nanny state.you really got nothing there i can,t do 10 miles south of the border for much cheaper and way less hassle.the only economy you have is selling shit to us and china.oh and hockey,when there was hockey.we broke away from the crown and our right to be armed gave us the ability to repel the british and canadians in 1812.we have a lot of problems as do you but they are not caused by guns but a sickness of morality running thru the western countries right now.good luck canada cause when we go down so will you.
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People.

Please DO something!

Write, call, email these idiots.

Bombard them with truthm liberty and the constitution.

Put a stop to these liberal propaganda machines.

Contact ALL the news media. Get them shut up before they poison the minds of idiot sheep.
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To defeat your enemy, you have to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. To cure an illness, you must discover its roots, then have the means to eradicate it.

Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

To dumb it down, no amount of writing, calling or emailing will stop this foe.
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So you're saying it's no use, give up?
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No, Little Willow. Without faith, it is impossible to please God, and faith without works is dead. Short little Zaccheus climbed up the fig tree to see Jesus. If there weren't the fig tree there and he hadn't have climbed it, he would not have seen Jesus. Should the fig tree boast that its presence made it possible for Zaccheus to see Jesus? No, because those who humble themselves will be exalted, and those who exalt themselves will be humbled.
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This thread is about the 2nd amendment. Everything you're saying is all good, just unrelated to the topic.
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It's run by the jewish Newhouse family. Jews are trying to disarm us. They're forming a total dictatorship.


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Can someone with an ounce of intelligence explain to me WHY in the world it is that when a person or family takes a position and they happen to be Jewish, Then supposedly all the JEWS are plotting against us?

When Obama and Biden vow to introduce stricter Gun laws (he says hes Christian!)
So then aren't ALL the Christians against us???

And when a Few Muslims decide to Blow themselves up are ALL muslims Suicide bombers and If maybe they are ALL Potential Suicide bombers then doesn't it make Good sense to KILL ALL MUSLIMS just because of their "potential"???? so why aren't we??

Two points I'm making.. Even if Netanyahu himself says America should give up their Guns, in no way does that mean that ALL JEWS think we should give up our guns!!!!!!!!!

One man or a hundred and their opinion in no way, IN NO WAY! are they the Voice of MY opinion!!! You get that???

So stop trying to stereotype everything!!! It has and will lead to Genocide and it may be YOU that gets a 16 penny nail to the head this time!
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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Using your explaination, it would also be considered for owning a car. After all, more people are killed by cars than by guns. According to you, it would then be perfectly justifiable to require justifaction for owning a car. Suddenly, the next thing you will be saying that people have to justify having children, or getting married, or living, because nothing insures death more, then being born!
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
Well this should be easy to resolve. Just look at what the men that signed the Constitution said about firearms before and after they signed it.

They weren't f'ing aliens that came to earth, signed the Constitution, then vanished never to be seen again.

Oh, but wait, they explained exactly what the 2nd ammendment meant and it means that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms. Case closed.
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It is in the constitution and therefore it is a right to own weapons in America. It's gotten ludicrous however. Gun shops selling out of assault rifles. Reason has been all but lost and I am saddened. Am not against guns. Not a hunter but understand that many are, some people target practice etc. but why assault rifles? Who are the many that they wish to mow down? It's hard to wrap my head around.
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It's not about that.

First of all, there WAS an assault rifles ban in the 90's. It had NO effect. It did NO good.

Second of all, they want to ban or restrict almost 80% of ALL guns.

But MOST of all, you aren't seeing the whole picture; the big picture. Chic-Fil-A had nothing to do with gay marriage - it was about the 1st amendment. This has nothing to do with mowing people down - it's about the 2nd amendment.

What's hard for me to wrap my head around is people thinking guns are the problem. You're talking about a minuscule statistic compared to the overwhelming majority of law abiding citizens. The problem is within the person that decides to kill. If we focused on that instead of overreacting to the weapon he used, then we might make changes that are positive.
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You condemn the second amendment and yet you enjoy the peace and security firearms provide,hypocrites.
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problem for you is there is far more peace and security in countries without it.
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So says the Ozzie whos queen wont let him play with sharp sticks.
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The Vanity Fair is trash once and a while they have a decent paragraph in an article.
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Vanity Fair's editor in chief is a Canadian:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He produced this movie: Chicago 10:

[link to www.imdb.com]

so you safely say he is showing his editorial bias in that publication

He claims to be a Libertarian, but I don't see anything Libertarian in promoting such an incendiary article, unless he is doing it for shock value

Carter has identified himself as a libertarian: "I don't vote. I find both parties to be appalling and OK at the same time. I find it harder for anybody as they get older to feel 100 per cent strongly behind one party. There's lots more grey than when I was younger. I'm a libertarian."[5]


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Well this should be easy to resolve. Just look at what the men that signed the Constitution said about firearms before and after they signed it.

They weren't f'ing aliens that came to earth, signed the Constitution, then vanished never to be seen again.

Oh, but wait, they explained exactly what the 2nd ammendment meant and it means that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms. Case closed.
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Exactly! And it shall not be infringed upon.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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Like I told the aussie yesterday. . . Non-americans have NO PLACE TALKING ABOUT OUR GUN LAWS FAGGOT! Shut the fuck up before we steal all your maple syrup at gunpoint!
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5 Stars and I've added a link to this thread on my timeline (page 7) which can be found here:

Thread: USA Gun Control Timeline, a social experiment...Post Sandy Hook to Present
"Successful people are always looking for opportunities to help others. Unsuccessful people are always asking, 'What's in it for me?'" — Brian Tracy: Personal and business training author, speaker, and consultant

"We are all, right now, living the life we choose." -- Peter McWilliams, Author

"The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." -- Michael Altshuler
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5 Stars and I've added a link to this thread on my timeline (page 7) which can be found here:

Thread: USA Gun Control Timeline, a social experiment...Post Sandy Hook to Present
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Awesome, thanks! hf
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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lol wow
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The authors of the Constitution & Bill of Right were certainly far more intelligent than vanity fair and had experience being ruled by a king (though we are now getting to live that experience now).

Other writings by these authors from that time, like the Federalist papers, demonstrate their ability to convey exactly what they meant and intended, no doubts at all. The written word was the only permanent means of communicating at that time and was carefully contemplated; unlike vanity spewing out the tripe that passes as journalism today.

I think it says exactly what it says; ...the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Seems pretty damn straightforward!
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Agreed, and I hope someone files charges of Treason against this "journalist" and Vanity Fair.

They need to stick to discussing hair styles and clothing, and leave the adult stuff alone.
Within the surreal depths of "reality" lies the truth.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
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So, in other words, if someone sees this author walking down the street; beat the living shit out of them for shitting such traitorous words all over the Constitution and the founding fathers?

OK.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow


So, in other words, if someone sees this author walking down the street; beat the living shit out of them for shitting such traitorous words all over the Constitution and the founding fathers?

OK.
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Whaaaaat?

Are you saying I implied that? Or are you implying that?

Dang, I really try, but some of the posts on GLP just leave me scratching my head.
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The authors of the Constitution & Bill of Right were certainly far more intelligent than vanity fair and had experience being ruled by a king (though we are now getting to live that experience now).

Other writings by these authors from that time, like the Federalist papers, demonstrate their ability to convey exactly what they meant and intended, no doubts at all. The written word was the only permanent means of communicating at that time and was carefully contemplated; unlike vanity spewing out the tripe that passes as journalism today.

I think it says exactly what it says; ...the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Seems pretty damn straightforward!
 Quoting: S. Colt 31479737


Agreed, and I hope someone files charges of Treason against this "journalist" and Vanity Fair.

They need to stick to discussing hair styles and clothing, and leave the adult stuff alone.
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Yes! I'm sick of people politicizing their businesses. I don't care what Kim Kardashion thinks, what JC Penney believes, what Vanity Fair thinks.... Tired of it.
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1. The national guard didn't even exist back then, idiots.

2. Are they saying all other constitutional rights apply to us, except the 2nd? Fuck them

3. Only control freaks and tyrants want to take our guns.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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rofl
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow


So, in other words, if someone sees this author walking down the street; beat the living shit out of them for shitting such traitorous words all over the Constitution and the founding fathers?

OK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27809228


Whaaaaat?

Are you saying I implied that? Or are you implying that?

Dang, I really try, but some of the posts on GLP just leave me scratching my head.
 Quoting: Little Willow


good post and good answer here OP
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow


So, in other words, if someone sees this author walking down the street; beat the living shit out of them for shitting such traitorous words all over the Constitution and the founding fathers?

OK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27809228


Whaaaaat?

Are you saying I implied that? Or are you implying that?

Dang, I really try, but some of the posts on GLP just leave me scratching my head.
 Quoting: Little Willow


good post and good answer here OP
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Thank you! Sometimes I just don't get it!
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I guess they missed the part about the Amendments within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution being inalienable and granted to all men by his or her Creator...huh?

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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
I guess they missed the part about the Amendments within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution being inalienable and granted to all men by his or her Creator...huh?
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I think people like this have no respect for the constitution, and one of the reasons is because they think there is no Creator, and therefore what was granted is null and void.

But I understand the point of what you're saying. Inalienable to all men....and shall not be infringed upon!
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I guess they missed the part about the Amendments within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution being inalienable and granted to all men by his or her Creator...huh?
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I think people like this have no respect for the constitution, and one of the reasons is because they think there is no Creator, and therefore what was granted is null and void.

But I understand the point of what you're saying. Inalienable to all men....and shall not be infringed upon!
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It was John Adams that said our Constitution was made for a "moral" people and was wholly inadequate for people of low moral character...

Low moral character about sums these people up...

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If you ban one type of gun, you immediately set foot upon the slippery slope that leads to the banning of ALL guns. I hope reasonable, thinking people understand that TPTB, through their agents in government and the MSM, are using words like "assault" rifles to try to demonize a certain type of gun, thus demonizing, in a subtle but effective way, ALL types of guns in the minds of the gullible public. You simply can NOT separate guns into classes, some being acceptable and others not being acceptable. For the Second Amendment to remain valid, ANY type of gun the citizenry wishes to possess must remain legal.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
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It's not surprising, but you really don't get "it".

I do wonder how many anti gun rights people feel as strongly about not having guns as gun rights people do about having guns. I would think that anti-gun people would just not give a shit about it. I don't see how it bothers them.
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It is in the constitution and therefore it is a right to own weapons in America. It's gotten ludicrous however. Gun shops selling out of assault rifles. Reason has been all but lost and I am saddened. Am not against guns. Not a hunter but understand that many are, some people target practice etc. but why assault rifles? Who are the many that they wish to mow down? It's hard to wrap my head around.
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You're ignorant and brainwashed like the masses, do you eve know what semi automatic means? You've bought the whole lie about "black" rifles being evil "assault" killing machines.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
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These people will be remembered. This is treason.

Flat and simple. They should be hung. The person that wrote it and the editors of the magazine that published it, and the magazine owners should all be hung.

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