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Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"

 
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If a gun is an inalienable right for defense and the gun fails to kill someone or jams - is the gun maker in violation of the constitution? can they be sued?
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do trolls troll?
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is that the best you got! LOL
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nah-but for you that is all. kissup
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If a gun is an inalienable right for defense and the gun fails to kill someone or jams - is the gun maker in violation of the constitution? can they be sued?
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do trolls troll?
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is that the best you got! LOL
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nah-but for you that is all. kissup
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just horsin' around eh?
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Bloomberg, Schumer, Eichenwald, Feinstein, Lautenberg, Blumenthal, Lieberman....it looks like the guest list for a Bar Mitzvah!

For those of you who don't believe there's a very disproportionate amount of support for gun control amongst Jews, just check out this article by America's leading Jewish magazine, The Jewish Daily Forward.



After Newtown, Jews Lead Renewed Push on Guns
Lawmakers and Community Play Key Role in Debate

By Nathan Guttman

[link to forward.com]


interesting snippets:

"A Jewish community strongly supportive of gun control plus Jewish lawmakers eager to enact new gun control laws may bring Jews into a lead role as the nation debates federal measures to rein in mass murders at its malls and schools."


"On Capitol Hill, the effort to introduce legislation limiting access to weapons has been led by several Jewish lawmakers, all Democrats (though one now uses the Independent label). California Senator Dianne Feinstein, a longtime leader on the issue, intends to introduce legislation for renewing the ban on the sale and possession of assault weapons, which expired in 2004."



'Rabbi Eric Yoffie, former head of the Reform movement, listed in a recent Haaretz article several reasons for Jews siding with supporters of gun control: the community’s affiliation with the Democratic Party; the fact that Jews are urban people and detached from the culture of hunting or gun ownership, and suspicion toward the NRA, which is “associated in the minds of many Jews with extremist positions that frighten Jews and from which they instinctively recoil.” '
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The federal government shouldn't even be regulating anything.

All members are suppose to be state reps for the reason of their own state.The federal government isnt even a real entity .Washington dc is a place for the 50 states to send their reps, for the betterment and union ship/commerce of each state.

The second amended says:

The state has the obligation for a well regulated militia for the purpose of each states security shall not be infringed.

The people have the right to keep and bare arms for reason of self defense shall not be infringed.

The founders just put it all into one line.Thus the federal government or an entity other then the state should have the say/regulation over a states own military.

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It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
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They think we're idiots. Case in point: I just saw a commericial for the movie about the fake Bin Laden assassination. "Witness the greatest [bullshiat] of all time - Zero Dark Thirty."

This group - the ones who lie to us day in and day out - is NOT who you want making new rules about guns.
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I guess they missed the part about the Amendments within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution being inalienable and granted to all men by his or her Creator...huh?
 Quoting: Saddletramp

I think people like this have no respect for the constitution, and one of the reasons is because they think there is no Creator, and therefore what was granted is null and void.

But I understand the point of what you're saying. Inalienable to all men....and shall not be infringed upon!
 Quoting: Little Willow


It was John Adams that said our Constitution was made for a "moral" people and was wholly inadequate for people of low moral character...

Low moral character about sums these people up...
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Sad, but true.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
 Quoting: DrWho

Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


That's rich, coming from an Anonymous Coward. What chains. I think my society affords more actual freedom than yours. It's not freedom when people have to be afraid for their safety. You are chained to your guns in a vicious circle of gun supply and demand. You get them, they get stolen, now you need more guns to defend yourselves.
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rofl Guess it depends on your definition of freedom. My definition doesn't include living in a disarmed socialist nanny state.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

When you trade freedom for security you have more security and less freedom, duh. So yeh, his definition of freedom is the one that sounds chained to me. I agree, a disarmed socialist nanny state is NOT freedom.
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You Americans are in for a rough ride, I wish I "owned" firearms but Canada has draconian laws regarding gun ownership. Hopefully it brings about a civil war as any change of regime in the USA of A will result in the same here in Canuckistan.
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Sadly, it looks like we're following Canada, not the other way around.

I hope there is a revolution, but not a war. I hope everyone comes together and makes a stand, in some way that gets through to them that the government works for the people and the people overwhelmingly say we won't allow a dictatorship.

Maybe that's idealistic, I don't know.
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It is in the constitution and therefore it is a right to own weapons in America. It's gotten ludicrous however. Gun shops selling out of assault rifles. Reason has been all but lost and I am saddened. Am not against guns. Not a hunter but understand that many are, some people target practice etc. but why assault rifles? Who are the many that they wish to mow down? It's hard to wrap my head around.
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it is a persons right to chose the level of protection that suits them just as you have the right to. if a bad guy can get a fully automatic AK then an AR is sometimes necessary to quell such violent threat. i.e business owners during the LA riots, North hollywood shootout, etc..b

evil people get evil tools to use for evil actions; gun laws get tighter-responsible citizens continue to arm themselves-gun violence statistics continue to trend down (in the USA [FBI statistics]). They have even compensated for this trend by adding suicide and accidents into 'gun violence' and still does not support an increasingly restrictive agenda. Feinstein is the leader for limiting gun ownership yet she has a CCW... what does that tell you?
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I know! That's just so messed up!
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I guess they missed the part about the Amendments within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution being inalienable and granted to all men by his or her Creator...huh?
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How can something that requires the collective effort of other people be someone's inalienable right? How many people have mined ore, forged steel, made gunpowder themselves to build their gun?
If someone believes it is a right from God to have someone else build them a gun..... THAT is communism.
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Wait, what? It's not talking about building a gun. It's saying that all of the amendments are given to everyone. They don't alienate anyone.
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And dumb bitches across America will continue to read that mindless smutt. There in lies the problem with our population.
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True, the media is half the problem.
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I'm looking for even Bill O'Reilly to start telling us that only bad people own guns, they are much worse than cigarette smokers, and on the same level as child molesters.

And soon enough 98% of the population will agree.

Just giving a heads up here.
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Well so far Fox has been all over it and is the only mainstream news station speaking against gun control.

O'Reilly laid into Geraldo over the issue. It was funny.
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
 Quoting: DrWho


Criminals can get their guns satraight from the Mexican black market... the exact same way that they get pounds of weed and kilos of cocaine.

NOTHING will stop criminals from getting guns, that is why the rest of us have the right to protect ourselves from them.

Whatever you are reading that prestends to give yu some kind of excuse for gun control is false, and lacks common sense.
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I guess they missed the part about the Amendments within the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution being inalienable and granted to all men by his or her Creator...huh?
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How can something that requires the collective effort of other people be someone's inalienable right? How many people have mined ore, forged steel, made gunpowder themselves to build their gun?
If someone believes it is a right from God to have someone else build them a gun..... THAT is communism.
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So, apply that to the 1st Amendment then. Did you mine the gold used in the circuit traces of the boards in your computer? Did you mold the plastic or mix the polymers? Did you mix and pour the ink for the newspaper or magazine you recently read? Did you develop a television signal, build a station, employ a staff, and assign reporters? The 1st Amendment requires a huge collective effort, so the right to free speech should not be considered an inalienable right?

4th Amendment requires a collective effort to enforce, as well. The entirety of the efforts of the judicial branch, from the local courts and judges, to the police, etc. all contribute to follow the "rules" for searchs, so does that make this the same? Same with the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments.

And to top all of this off, 9th and 10th Amendments state that the people or the States retain anything not specifically spelled out as being the prevue of the Feds.
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Bloomberg, Schumer, Eichenwald, Feinstein, Lautenberg, Blumenthal, Lieberman....it looks like the guest list for a Bar Mitzvah!

For those of you who don't believe there's a very disproportionate amount of support for gun control amongst Jews, just check out this article by America's leading Jewish magazine, The Jewish Daily Forward.

After Newtown, Jews Lead Renewed Push on Guns
Lawmakers and Community Play Key Role in Debate

By Nathan Guttman

[link to forward.com]


interesting snippets:

"A Jewish community strongly supportive of gun control plus Jewish lawmakers eager to enact new gun control laws may bring Jews into a lead role as the nation debates federal measures to rein in mass murders at its malls and schools."

"On Capitol Hill, the effort to introduce legislation limiting access to weapons has been led by several Jewish lawmakers, all Democrats (though one now uses the Independent label). California Senator Dianne Feinstein, a longtime leader on the issue, intends to introduce legislation for renewing the ban on the sale and possession of assault weapons, which expired in 2004."

'Rabbi Eric Yoffie, former head of the Reform movement, listed in a recent Haaretz article several reasons for Jews siding with supporters of gun control: the community’s affiliation with the Democratic Party; the fact that Jews are urban people and detached from the culture of hunting or gun ownership, and suspicion toward the NRA, which is “associated in the minds of many Jews with extremist positions that frighten Jews and from which they instinctively recoil.” '
 Quoting: covington.13


wow

they don't even try to hide the fact they're spearheading this movement

Here's an interesting piece on gun ownership in Israel, btw

[link to www.tabletmag.com]

Looks like anyone who can claim they live in a dangerous area or has any kind of dealings with one, or with valuable merchandise, or feels unsafe, or has been or is actively in the military or reserves, can get one no questions asked
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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
 Quoting: DrWho

Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


That's rich, coming from an Anonymous Coward. What chains. I think my society affords more actual freedom than yours. It's not freedom when people have to be afraid for their safety. You are chained to your guns in a vicious circle of gun supply and demand. You get them, they get stolen, now you need more guns to defend yourselves.
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used to enjoy fishing in your country years ago ,before you became an overregulated nanny state.you really got nothing there i can,t do 10 miles south of the border for much cheaper and way less hassle.the only economy you have is selling shit to us and china.oh and hockey,when there was hockey.we broke away from the crown and our right to be armed gave us the ability to repel the british and canadians in 1812.we have a lot of problems as do you but they are not caused by guns but a sickness of morality running thru the western countries right now.good luck canada cause when we go down so will you.
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The US declared war in 1812, not due to any invasion but for a number of grievances against the British and the desire to annex Canada. You didn't repel us, we repelled you.

Yeah, things may be a tad more expensive here, but a least if a Canadian needs surgery, they don't have to mortgage their home to pay for it. Nor do we have underfunded state hospitals for the poor and good hospitals for people with money and or insurance. All of our hospitals are paid for through taxation. Nor does any HMO tell us which doctor or which hospital we can go to, even if it means going to a US hospital, if that's where the appropriate treatment can be found. We also have better access to medication, because that is also subsidized for those who need it i.e. pensioners, people on welfare etc.

We also provide equal funding to all schools, so the public school system in all neighborhoods, rich or poor, is the same. It is not dependent on tax base. We also subsidize our Universities. Not that it is cheap to attend a Canadian University, but it's not as expensive as in the US.

Oh, our society is far from perfect. We have poverty, but our poorest people are not as poor as your poorest people. Also, we survived the Global Credit Crisis better than most of the world, including the US, because we have much stricter banking regulations(what you may call nanny regulations) both in the qualification for mortgages and in what investments our banking institutions are permitted. Of course it was the lax regulation of the US banking system that precipated the Global Credit Crisis and the world is now paying for it.

We also have a much lower per capita murder rate - yours is almost four times higher and that's not homicide by guns, just homicide period. Yes, guns are not the cause of homicide, but access to them makes it so much easier. It's a bit harder to stab someone to death or bludgeon them with a baseball bat. There is no such thing as a drive by stabbing. People can't go postal and kill all their co-workers with a knife. Of course people here do have guns - mostly rifles, some WWII revolvers. Handguns are restricted, but our gangbangers get smuggled weapons from the US. Since gangbanging was imported from the US our homicide rate has increased. Ironically they even imported the gang names. Kids are so impressionable.

I agree there is moral decay everywhere. Stopping the decay is everyone's problem. IMO people have to stop living a shallow consumer driven lifestyle and start actually caring about each other. Stop worshipping the almighty dollar. Then maybe the number of guns in society will be irrelevant.
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Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


That's rich, coming from an Anonymous Coward. What chains. I think my society affords more actual freedom than yours. It's not freedom when people have to be afraid for their safety. You are chained to your guns in a vicious circle of gun supply and demand. You get them, they get stolen, now you need more guns to defend yourselves.
 Quoting: DrWho

used to enjoy fishing in your country years ago ,before you became an overregulated nanny state.you really got nothing there i can,t do 10 miles south of the border for much cheaper and way less hassle.the only economy you have is selling shit to us and china.oh and hockey,when there was hockey.we broke away from the crown and our right to be armed gave us the ability to repel the british and canadians in 1812.we have a lot of problems as do you but they are not caused by guns but a sickness of morality running thru the western countries right now.good luck canada cause when we go down so will you.
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The US declared war in 1812, not due to any invasion but for a number of grievances against the British and the desire to annex Canada. You didn't repel us, we repelled you.

Yeah, things may be a tad more expensive here, but a least if a Canadian needs surgery, they don't have to mortgage their home to pay for it. Nor do we have underfunded state hospitals for the poor and good hospitals for people with money and or insurance. All of our hospitals are paid for through taxation. Nor does any HMO tell us which doctor or which hospital we can go to, even if it means going to a US hospital, if that's where the appropriate treatment can be found. We also have better access to medication, because that is also subsidized for those who need it i.e. pensioners, people on welfare etc.

We also provide equal funding to all schools, so the public school system in all neighborhoods, rich or poor, is the same. It is not dependent on tax base. We also subsidize our Universities. Not that it is cheap to attend a Canadian University, but it's not as expensive as in the US.

Oh, our society is far from perfect. We have poverty, but our poorest people are not as poor as your poorest people. Also, we survived the Global Credit Crisis better than most of the world, including the US, because we have much stricter banking regulations(what you may call nanny regulations) both in the qualification for mortgages and in what investments our banking institutions are permitted. Of course it was the lax regulation of the US banking system that precipated the Global Credit Crisis and the world is now paying for it.

We also have a much lower per capita murder rate - yours is almost four times higher and that's not homicide by guns, just homicide period. Yes, guns are not the cause of homicide, but access to them makes it so much easier. It's a bit harder to stab someone to death or bludgeon them with a baseball bat. There is no such thing as a drive by stabbing. People can't go postal and kill all their co-workers with a knife. Of course people here do have guns - mostly rifles, some WWII revolvers. Handguns are restricted, but our gangbangers get smuggled weapons from the US. Since gangbanging was imported from the US our homicide rate has increased. Ironically they even imported the gang names. Kids are so impressionable.

I agree there is moral decay everywhere. Stopping the decay is everyone's problem. IMO people have to stop living a shallow consumer driven lifestyle and start actually caring about each other. Stop worshipping the almighty dollar. Then maybe the number of guns in society will be irrelevant.
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Gee, thanks for the enlightenment. Are you still in 6th grade?

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The only reason the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed is because NRA supports the gun manufacturers and the NRA receives mega dollars to lobby on behalf of the gun manufacturers. Sure rural people support the 2A because they hunt, but they don't have the numbers to block a repeal.\

If there wasn't big dollars in maintaining 2A, it would have been repealed eons ago, given how much it costs society to maintain it.

2A is an anachronism from another time. US jurists are afraid to declare it unconstitutional because something might happen to them for making that decision. Politiciana fear a backlash from the 2A supporters, and let's not forget the lobbiests. The only way it can be repealed is if the citizens of the US force the issue.

Sure, people will harp on the old rag that suddenly only the criminals will have guns. But really, what it will mean is that people will have to justify weapon ownership. Perhaps it will also mean that people will have to prove that they can secure their weapons and pay for that privilige by purchasing insurnce. Unsecured weapons are the suppliers of criminals. People who don't want to recognize that are either deluded or just irresponsible.
 Quoting: DrWho

Stay in Canada. Enjoy your chains. Lick the hand that feeds you. And may your children forget you ever existed.

You are a moral coward, and absolutely nothing can be done for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


That's rich, coming from an Anonymous Coward. What chains. I think my society affords more actual freedom than yours. It's not freedom when people have to be afraid for their safety. You are chained to your guns in a vicious circle of gun supply and demand. You get them, they get stolen, now you need more guns to defend yourselves.
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id love to see some factual basis to your bogus claim. your basically saying that increased gun ownership in homes leads to more break in/robberies thus resulting in a loss of said firearms? pick
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29019521


Clearly I was being a bit simplistic. You have the whole huge poverty issue to contend with, which invites criminal behaviors. The only real solution to that is to ensure that there is economic equity in society. Otherwise, you will never be armed enough.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

The article explains that the arms doesn't mean concealable weapons and that the thought of concealed weapons was largely impossible when the 2nd amendment was written.

Here's the original article:
[link to www.vanityfair.com] In the article, he states that, "America needs to repeal the Second Amendment," and, "We need to get rid of it and try again with an amendment that makes sense."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The author tries to say that commas are placed in the wrong place, it uses bad grammar, and the punctuation is wrong. So therefore the whole amendment is misunderstood and misused by gun hungry advocates and should be rewritten.

He says that the words, "well regulated" are archaic and actually mean "well trained." He believes "militia" means The National Guard, not untrained citizens. "The People" means members of a political community.

He goes on to say that the NRA (not him mind you) is guilty of poking holes in the 2nd amendment. He says, "The N.R.A. has fought successfully . . .so that even those people who have been found to be a danger to others can get a gun."

He believes the 2nd amendment should be rewritten to state, "The people retain the right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable restrictions deemed necessary by the Congress and the President to secure the lives and well being of others."

In other words, people should be allowed to own a gun under any restriction congress and the president dictate.

Mind boggling..remove the balance of power and let the president decide who can have guns? Really? How does he not see that this is basically a welcome mat for tyranny?

It's disgusting to see people rolling out a red carpet to usher in a bigger government with more power.
 Quoting: Little Willow

Why are there constitutions ?

It's to make clear that these laws are basic and are not to be touched if that particular nation is to survive. It is to be expected that, once in a while, some party will raise its head and demand this or that will be changed.

Of course, this also raises questions about those amendments to the US constitution (in any thinking person anyway).

P.S. Lots of characters cropping up while typing which I didn't type, don't know what's happening at this computer here. Weird OS called "Windows XP Sweet 5.1", always this kind of weird problems. If I missed erasing some, don't hold it against me. Thanks.
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Lots of info about the US Constitution, the first amendment and who wrote it, and how the amendments were written.

[link to civilliberty.about.com]
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"The Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

This is proof that the American public have degraded substantially in intelligence.
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No, it's a sign that the young usa nation, which is still like a young oaf, now really starts to growing up and maybe become an adult nation.

But you as dumb brute will never get that.
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Re: Vanity Fair: Second Amendment "Must Be Removed from the Constitution"
You condemn the second amendment and yet you enjoy the peace and security firearms provide,hypocrites.
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problem for you is there is far more peace and security in countries without it.
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I'm not sure where you got that from, but that really isn't true. What is your definition of secure? An example of mine would be like if a man walks into my house with a gun, intending to kill my family, I have gun to 'disarm' him with.

Do you think that criminals, the people that will actually go out and shoot someone, will turn in their guns? Taking away guns wouldn't have changed Sandy Hook, but I'm pretty sure that a teacher with a gun would have.

What's even more obvious, just about EVERY SINGLE ONE of the recent shootings has been in a gun free zone. When was the last tragic shooting that happened in a place where people have guns? The best deterrent against a person with a gun, is another gun. If I don't have a gun, the person may have a slight bit more confidence In shooting me, though.

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