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GUN CONTROL IS ELITIST AND DISCRIMINATORY!

 
Ralph--a house dog

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Law abiding blacks are among those who cherish their 2nd Amendment rights the most.

Talking about historical discrimination against blacks has not a damn thing to do with today's attempts at gun control.

The 2nd Amendment points out that everyone has the right to bear arms and although blacks were excluded from this and many other things such as equality of education, housing, credit, etc THEY AREN'T NOW and that includes their right to firearms.

There are a couple of youtubes you should watch that explains both the history of such discrimination of the right to bear arms and THE FERVENT DESIRE OF BLACK PEOPLE TODAY TO RETAIN THIS RIGHT AND NOT HAVE IT TAKEN FROM THEM.

Here's a comment on the youtube page:

Gun control is people control and racist and elitist at its very heart. Gun control is about making sure that only the powerful and the wealthy have the wherewithall to control the masses. Whether that means armed KKK members threatening unarmed Blacks or the racist Washington DC government telling public housing residents that they cannot protect themselves from thugs, gun control further subjugates and victimizes those without power. Gun control -- keeping the people down for two hundred years.

For the last 5 minutes of Part 1 (first part is history of discrimination)and for most of the 5 minute long Part 2, the black commentators are saying the same things every other 2nd Amendment supporter is saying right now!






Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/04/2013 07:38 PM
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To those who, in another thread here, keep pointing out that blacks were excluded from many things at the time the Bill of Rights was written, such as voting, property ownership, etc. therefore it was discriminatory and should be disregarded, I would like to remind them THAT WOMEN AT THE TIME WERE ALSO DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!

You don't hear women bitching that "oh just because our rights were restricted at the time, we think the Bill of Rights is SEXIST and therefore shouldn't apply to anybody today."

This is exactly the convoluted type of reasoning taught by Saul Alinsky's radical bunch of communist scum.

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/04/2013 07:07 PM
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Law abiding blacks are among those who cherish their 2nd Amendment rights the most.

Taking about historical discrimination against blacks has not a damn thing to do with today's attempts at gun control.

The 2nd Amendment points out that everyone has the right to bear arms and although blacks were excluded from this and many other things such as equality of education, housing, credit, etc THEY AREN'T NOW and that includes their right to firearms.

There are a couple of youtubes you should watch that explains both the history of such discrimination of the right to bear arms and THE FERVENT DESIRE OF BLACK PEOPLE TODAY TO RETAIN THIS RIGHT AND NOT HAVE IT TAKEN FROM THEM.

Here's a comment on the youtube page:

Gun control is people control and racist and elitist at its very heart. Gun control is about making sure that only the powerful and the wealthy have the wherewithall to control the masses. Whether that means armed KKK members threatening unarmed Blacks or the racist Washington DC government telling public housing residents that they cannot protect themselves from thugs, gun control further subjugates and victimizes those without power. Gun control -- keeping the people down for two hundred years.

For the last 5 minutes of Part 1 (first part is history of discrimination)and for most of the 5 minute long Part 2, the black commentators are saying the same things every other 2nd Amendment supporter is saying right now!





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good post. Victim disarmament has always been about who holds the power.
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Are you ashamed that James Madison excluded African Americans and all women from the Bill of Rights?

How do you feel about he and the signing Congressmen (aka Founding Fathers)?
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Are you ashamed that James Madison excluded African Americans and all women from the Bill of Rights?

How do you feel about he and the signing Congressmen (aka Founding Fathers)?
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Oh, for fuck's sake! You've been spewing this same senseless idiotic shit all day.

Since it has been proven all day that you are too dumb to reason with, I'll put it in very simple terms:

THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW AND WOMEN AND BLACKS ARE NOT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND NEVER WERE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.
The Bill of Rights stands as written.

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/04/2013 07:44 PM
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Great thread
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"A Democrat and a hunter, Mr. McDonald has two shotguns in his home but says, "I would like to have a handgun so I could keep it right by my bed, just in case somebody might want to come in my house."

Gun-control advocates often cite the gun violence in urban areas, and the alarming murder rate among black people, especially young black males, as justification for gun bans.

It is harder, however, for them to claim they are helping black people when they continue to die anyway because the criminals obtain guns regardless of the law, and law-abiding citizens are effectively disarmed by the government that is sworn to keep them safe.

Mr. McDonald knows he cannot depend on the police to defend him or his home, so he declares, "That's all I want, is just a fighting chance. Give me the opportunity to at least make somebody think about something before they come in my house on me."

The new face of gun rights in America is an elderly black man who wants to protect his family and his private property, earned through decades of hard work and sacrifice. His is a quintessentially American story about the individual defense of liberty and property, the core purpose of the Second Amendment, and his name is now in the history books, forever associated with this major ruling."

---From "Blacks with Guns"

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yup,
It SEEMS KKK here are poised to be in-charge through corrupt positions operating within the county, city, and the like.
They SEEM to have been trying to murder me over the years; No joke.
Do you know who Harry Tyson Moore and Harriette V. Moore are? Their murder by the KKK started the Civil Rights movement. They hate Civil Rights here. No, why?

The FBI determined Klan Killed Him and His wife
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In popular culture it may be said that I am pigmently challenged. I might be called Vanilla Bean in a set but I assure ALL this:
white, black, yellow, red, brown, what ever we will be harmed by those seeking to overthrow the gov in racists fashion. They already do very bad things. Imagine what they are planning to do.

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Are you ashamed that James Madison excluded African Americans and all women from the Bill of Rights?

How do you feel about he and the signing Congressmen (aka Founding Fathers)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31483017


to answer your assinine question i will say i am fine with it. i am also fine with the fact that we as country have grown and moved forward into this century unlike some people who still live in the past where women and minorities are still treated badly according to the dictates of their religion and national law.
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LOoOoOoL.

Wow fuck that.

African Americans, be wise.

Judge by their actions and THE actions of the ones they worship.
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yup,
It SEEMS KKK here are poised to be in-charge through corrupt positions operating within the county, city, and the like.
They SEEM to have been trying to murder me over the years; No joke.
Do you know who Harry Tyson Moore and Harriette V. Moore are? Their murder by the KKK started the Civil Rights movement. They hate Civil Rights here. No, why?

The FBI determined Klan Killed Him and His wife
[link to www.naacp.org]

[link to www.nbbd.com]

In popular culture it may be said that I am pigmently challenged. I might be called Vanilla Bean in a set but I assure ALL this:
white, black, yellow, red, brown, what ever we will be harmed by those seeking to overthrow the gov in racists fashion. They already do very bad things. Imagine what they are planning to do.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: TastyThoughts



Nobody I know of wants to overthrow the United States government. We like our Constitutional Republic and would protect it from anyone who would dare try to subvert it, take illegal actions against our laws, or curtail the rights of any American.
"Who decides?"
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when one joins the military you take an oath:

""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

enemies, foreign and domestic? I get that, but "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States"? suppose the "enemy" is the president of the United States?
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In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Goodbye sweet friend, we miss you.
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CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES

BILL OF RIGHTS (-original first ten amendments)

Does anybody see anything here that discriminates against blacks, women or any other ethnic or religious group of Americans?

I. Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




II. Right to keep and bear arms

A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.




III. Conditions for quarters of soldiers

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.




IV. Right of search and seizure regulated

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.




V. Provisons concerning prosecution

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.




VI. Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.




VII. Right to a trial by jury

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.




VIII. Excessive bail, cruel punishment

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.




IX. Rule of construction of Constitution


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.




X. Rights of the States under Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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"Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"
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 Quoting: TastyThoughts

Nobody I know of wants to overthrow the United States government. We like our Constitutional Republic and would protect it from anyone who would dare try to subvert it, take illegal actions against our laws, or curtail the rights of any American.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

(Deleted to save space, my first comment is easily seen above)
I agree with you, Article 4 Section 4. I too feel the same way. I am also a realist and know that hate groups do exist.
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its totally GOD DAM racist too

trying to turn us back into MONKEYS
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when one joins the military you take an oath:

""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

enemies, foreign and domestic? I get that, but "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States"? suppose the "enemy" is the president of the United States?
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The first part of the oath takes precedence. An unconstitutional order has no legitimacy, no force of law. It is null and void immediately.

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its totally GOD DAM racist too

trying to turn us back into MONKEYS
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its totally GOD DAM racist too

trying to turn us back into MONKEYS
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Shut the fuck up you twit!
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its totally GOD DAM racist too

trying to turn us back into MONKEYS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19167212


its totally GOD DAM racist too

trying to turn us back into MONKEYS
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Shut the fuck up you twit!
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You might be misunderstanding the comment, although I'm not 100% sure. I think the poster means that yes, gun control is elitist and discriminatory and that it is racist, too.

It was used in the past to deny blacks the right to bear arms, and from the video I saw that even in more recent times some localities can arbitrarily pick and choose who they want to allow to have a gun permit and that blacks have often been denied permits for no good reason while others get them.

Just like California and New York and Chicago etc do right now---only the very rich or important elites can have gun permits; NOBODY else can.

Ordinary decent black people who live in or near high crime areas cannot defend themselves against criminals in places that have gun bans. (Neither can anybody else for that matter) This creates what is called a 'disparate effect' on them, as people who do not live high crime areas suffer less violence and crime even though they too are unarmed.

Law abiding blacks today who are able to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights are just as concerned as anyone else that a bunch of communist leaning elitists want to disarm them.

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/04/2013 10:37 PM
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