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Proposed Constitutional Amendments

 
Shelgeyr

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01/04/2013 09:51 PM

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Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I like the three listed and explained here:

[link to www.nukingpolitics.com]

Their somewhat ungainly names are:

The Taxation Legislation Expiration Requirement Amendment
The Federal Commerce Regulatory Authority Amendment
The Tax Injunction Amendment


Check the link for the details!

I can think of a few more I'd like to add, like "no totally unrelated riders on emergency disaster funding appropriations bills", but nobody asked ME...

enguard
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01/04/2013 10:58 PM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I'd support amendments to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments.

maybe a balanced budget amendment also, if it's worded properly.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

- Moo!
Shelgeyr (OP)

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01/04/2013 11:03 PM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I'd support amendments to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments.

maybe a balanced budget amendment also, if it's worded properly.
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I have to agree!
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01/04/2013 11:09 PM
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Balanced Budget Amendment, amen! But it has to include paying down the debt, and addressing future unfunded liabilities.
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01/04/2013 11:38 PM
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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
Does this require a constitutional convention.
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01/04/2013 11:40 PM
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Rocket launchers for civillians!
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01/04/2013 11:41 PM
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Does this require a constitutional convention.
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If it does I would fight it tooth and nail. We can never allow that to happen .
Shelgeyr (OP)

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01/04/2013 11:43 PM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I don't recall a constitutional convention being called when they tried to pass the "ERA", but my memory is foggy on the subject.

Can anyone weigh in on this? Was there one?
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01/04/2013 11:50 PM
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Ill have to look into it. We need change , but as far as I can remember if a constitutional convention were to be granted , you cant limit what can be changed. And how the government is today they just couldnt be trusted to do the right thing.Nothing stopping them from discarding say the 2nd amendmet , etc.
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01/04/2013 11:59 PM

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Too true - big danger there.
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I guess they can without the convention. They just need a 2/3 supermajority vote in both the house and senate . The president is bypassed , then it goes right to the states that then have to then pass it with 3/4.


That way is ok , they cant just go willy nillie on everything then , like they could with a constitutional convention.
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Does this require a constitutional convention.
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in a ConCon, all aspects of the document would be fair game and open for rewrites.

BAD idea....
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

- Moo!
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Make usery illegal or go fuck yourself op.
Shelgeyr (OP)

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01/05/2013 01:23 AM

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Make usery illegal or go fuck yourself op.
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Man, don't be so shy - tell us how you really feel!
Shelgeyr (OP)

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01/05/2013 11:46 AM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
A well thought-out response to these proposed amendments has been posted by that other site's owner Keln.

Very interesting, with a lot of good points.

I think both are "must read"s for those who care to see our country improved and/or set back on the right track.

Here's the original proposal again:
[link to www.nukingpolitics.com]

And here is Keln's response:
[link to www.nukingpolitics.com]
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01/05/2013 12:04 PM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
Does this require a constitutional convention.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17095177


in a ConCon, all aspects of the document would be fair game and open for rewrites.

BAD idea....
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowherder


This - a thousand times over.

It is down-right scary what would take place should this door to Pandora's Box open with our sitting Congress/ Administration.

In another world - I do think an amendment requiring a balanced budget within ~90 days of a new session of Congress is in order. No budget - every member is sent home and new elections for those seats conducted. There would also exist a clause that any member sent back for failing to achieve a balanced budget would be ineligible for election for a minimum of two (2) terms, if ever.

Secondarily; Each and every Bill or Resolution submitted MUST be read aloud with definition, recorded, videoed, and aired publicly before said Bill/ Resolution becomes eligible for vote from either the House or Senate, while also placing stern limits on the number and scope of EO from a sitting President.

But, as we sit - no way I would want that box opened right now.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Ill have to look into it. We need change , but as far as I can remember if a constitutional convention were to be granted , you cant limit what can be changed. And how the government is today they just couldnt be trusted to do the right thing.Nothing stopping them from discarding say the 2nd amendmet , etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17095177


More like they'd destroy the first Ten Amendments comprising the BOR.

That would be the last brick in paving the road to open totalitarianism.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I like the three listed and explained here:

[link to www.nukingpolitics.com]

Their somewhat ungainly names are:

The Taxation Legislation Expiration Requirement Amendment
The Federal Commerce Regulatory Authority Amendment
The Tax Injunction Amendment


Check the link for the details!

I can think of a few more I'd like to add, like "no totally unrelated riders on emergency disaster funding appropriations bills", but nobody asked ME...

enguard
 Quoting: Shelgeyr


There a few more that need to be added.

"Congress shall pass no laws in which they are immune."

"Congress, being servants of the people, shall not receive any other monetary payments besides job salaries, that are not also entitled by the people they represent."

"Congress shall be held liable for all personal expenses created by term of public service."
Shelgeyr (OP)

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I like the three listed and explained here:

[link to www.nukingpolitics.com]

Their somewhat ungainly names are:

The Taxation Legislation Expiration Requirement Amendment
The Federal Commerce Regulatory Authority Amendment
The Tax Injunction Amendment


Check the link for the details!

I can think of a few more I'd like to add, like "no totally unrelated riders on emergency disaster funding appropriations bills", but nobody asked ME...

enguard
 Quoting: Shelgeyr


There a few more that need to be added.

"Congress shall pass no laws in which they are immune."

"Congress, being servants of the people, shall not receive any other monetary payments besides job salaries, that are not also entitled by the people they represent."

"Congress shall be held liable for all personal expenses created by term of public service."
 Quoting: 071676


Your first two I could really get behind.

That last one about being liable for all personal expenses created by their term is completely unworkable, sadly. When you're a congresscritter you can likely make nearly anything a justified work-related expense.
ClydeX

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01/05/2013 02:08 PM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I like the three listed and explained here:

[link to www.nukingpolitics.com]

Their somewhat ungainly names are:

The Taxation Legislation Expiration Requirement Amendment
The Federal Commerce Regulatory Authority Amendment
The Tax Injunction Amendment


Check the link for the details!

I can think of a few more I'd like to add, like "no totally unrelated riders on emergency disaster funding appropriations bills", but nobody asked ME...

enguard
 Quoting: Shelgeyr


There a few more that need to be added.

"Congress shall pass no laws in which they are immune."

"Congress, being servants of the people, shall not receive any other monetary payments besides job salaries, that are not also entitled by the people they represent."

"Congress shall be held liable for all personal expenses created by term of public service."
 Quoting: 071676


Your first two I could really get behind.

That last one about being liable for all personal expenses created by their term is completely unworkable, sadly. When you're a congresscritter you can likely make nearly anything a justified work-related expense.
 Quoting: Shelgeyr


Congresscritter salaries should be an amount equal to the average income of their particular district. Items that would be deemed as "Business Expenses" would be recorded, and this ledger submitted to a council within their state, and would also be made public for review by those within their state or district.

To alleviate candidates simply moving to other locales in order to gain a higher pay or more prominent position (as Hillary did in NY), it would also be stipulated that
any candidate must have lived within that particular district for 8 - 10 years.

The biggest changes would all have to revolve around removing the smoke and mirrors, and each and everything that the American people are paying for be made public and openly known.

You wouldn't pay for a bag of groceries without knowing what it entails - there's no reason we continue to have the money we bust our bums to make being TAKEN from us under threat of law and no clear definition of where/ on what it is spent.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
I'd support amendments to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments.

maybe a balanced budget amendment also, if it's worded properly.
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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
Balanced Budget!
No exempting themselves from laws they pass!
Impose the "Reynolds Rules" tax on all members of government.
Get rid of the Fed! It is outrageous that that thing was ever accepted as legalm & even moreso now with their track record!
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Balanced Budget!
No exempting themselves from laws they pass!
Impose the "Reynolds Rules" tax on all members of government.
Get rid of the Fed! It is outrageous that that thing was ever accepted as legalm & even moreso now with their track record!
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I like them. We need someone who can write these up in fairly airtight legalese.

Remember: "Legalese" isn't always meant to obscure what is written; in its purest form it is meant to enable clarity and hyper-precision.

Any takers?
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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
For ideas, maybe it's not a bad idea to compare a few constitutions : US with Hungary and England.

[link to theonomyresources.blogspot.be]

[link to www.kormany.hu]

Cromwell's "Instrument of government" which appears to have been the first English constitution [link to www.olivercromwell.org]
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- anyone pushing to abolish or restrict freedom when you're a journalist, a lobbyist or a politician should be tried for treason and if convicted, deported and banned from america forever.
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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
Does this require a constitutional convention.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17095177


If it does I would fight it tooth and nail. We can never allow that to happen .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17095177


fwiw, I had heard they were maybe 3 states short of the needed 38 to call for a constitutional convention:

[link to www.sodahead.com]

Agree that could be a disaster were it allowed to happen
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01/09/2013 11:48 PM

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Re: Proposed Constitutional Amendments
Does this require a constitutional convention.
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If it does I would fight it tooth and nail. We can never allow that to happen .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17095177


fwiw, I had heard they were maybe 3 states short of the needed 38 to call for a constitutional convention:

[link to www.sodahead.com]

Agree that could be a disaster were it allowed to happen
 Quoting: IssueX


Then we don't allow it to happen. We learn and enact the disruptive techniques our idealogical foes employ and we stop it if it gets close to starting. No constitutional convention.

Passing much-needed amendments is another story, and a convention isn't required for those (as far as I understand the matter).
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