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considering the age and expanse of the universe, it's likely that there are incredibly advanced alien civilizations out there (much older than us) with star-gate technologies that allow instant inter-stellar travel. i mean, if our technology was allowed to evolve for another couple of thousand years, we too would be traveling to distant stars. but think about the almost infinite number of stars there are out there, and consider the odds of aliens coming here. the odds are very slim. our solar system is nothing but a grain of sand in the sahara desert. it's more likely that they don't even know we exist.

it could take millions or even billions of years for a visitation, but then they could also arrive here in the next hour.
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There is zero evidence of other life elsewhere, and there is zero evidence for materialistic evolution. It is unscientific and illogical. It is not based on logic. On the contrary, logic dictates...nay..demands..a supernatural, non material (Spiritual) Creator.

Throw away logic if you will, but don't then presume to claim that logic supports your beliefs, because it doesn't.

Just the existence of 'information' as a non material entity confines all materialistic evolution to the garbage bin.

You are free to believe whatever you want, once you throw away logic. For an example...if you are interested...see this video. It is part 2 in a 6 part series.


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They are here and you will see them real soon.

They work for God and have come to help us.
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considering the age and expanse of the universe, it's likely that there are incredibly advanced alien civilizations out there (much older than us) with star-gate technologies that allow instant inter-stellar travel. i mean, if our technology was allowed to evolve for another couple of thousand years, we too would be traveling to distant stars. but think about the almost infinite number of stars there are out there, and consider the odds of aliens coming here. the odds are very slim. our solar system is nothing but a grain of sand in the sahara desert. it's more likely that they don't even know we exist.

it could take millions or even billions of years for a visitation, but then they could also arrive here in the next hour.
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If there is a God and if evolution is bunk, it would be ridiculous for him to create this vast a universe and only populate one planet
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There is zero evidence of other life elsewhere, and there is zero evidence for materialistic evolution. It is unscientific and illogical. It is not based on logic. On the contrary, logic dictates...nay..demands..a supernatural, non material (Spiritual) Creator.

Throw away logic if you will, but don't then presume to claim that logic supports your beliefs, because it doesn't.

Just the existence of 'information' as a non material entity confines all materialistic evolution to the garbage bin.

You are free to believe whatever you want, once you throw away logic. For an example...if you are interested...see this video. It is part 2 in a 6 part series.


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This, of course, is nonsense taken to the extremes.

"There is zero evidence of other life elsewhere"

Have you ever heard of; The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?

In simpler terms; you are full of shit and shouldn't use the word logical because people like you do not reason with logic.

In fact, logic dictates that somewhere there HAS to be other life. Microscopic in most places, life nontheless. But logic also dictates that space is so freaking huge, that it is more likely that we will never come across beings from another planet because of the mind boggling distances they or we would have to cross to reach one another.

"Logic dictates a creator"

LOL. Which special buss did you fall off?
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SETI just spent the last 30 years proving that no radio emitting civilizations exist within a 1000 light years of Earth

They ran out of "near by" stars to look at.


When people insist that "Life is inevitable" on other worlds I ,make the following point


Conditions on Earth are perfect for the creation of life

We are warm enough for liquid water , cool enough for complex chemistry

Planet is the right size to produce and hold a dense atmosphere ( but not too dense or sunlight would be blocked)

We have a couple of gas giants that cleared out enough asteroids that Earth isn't pummeled every year , but they left enough for Earth to form

Our sun is the right size

Basically there are thousands of critical variables that came out right to produce a planet that can create life.

Ask any scientist and they'll tell you that Earth is the "perfect machine" for creating life

And in its 4.5 billion year life , Earth has created life JUST ONCE

All life on Earth is descended from the same DNA molecule

There are no exceptions

There are no "independently evolved" life forms on earth

There's no "alternatives" to the DNA thats inside all living cells.

If the scientist who predict that life is abundant "out there" are right , we should see biology alien to our own RIGHT HERE.

Where's the "Non-DNA" life forms?

Where's the cells that run on a "Different chemistry"?

Because what happened on Earth is EXTREMELY rare, the odds of it happening were so low theres a real chance that it was the first ( and last ) time it ever happened.
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There is zero evidence of other life elsewhere, and there is zero evidence for materialistic evolution. It is unscientific and illogical. It is not based on logic. On the contrary, logic dictates...nay..demands..a supernatural, non material (Spiritual) Creator.

Throw away logic if you will, but don't then presume to claim that logic supports your beliefs, because it doesn't.

Just the existence of 'information' as a non material entity confines all materialistic evolution to the garbage bin.

You are free to believe whatever you want, once you throw away logic. For an example...if you are interested...see this video. It is part 2 in a 6 part series.


 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


This, of course, is nonsense taken to the extremes.

"There is zero evidence of other life elsewhere"

Have you ever heard of; The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?

In simpler terms; you are full of shit and shouldn't use the word logical because people like you do not reason with logic.

In fact, logic dictates that somewhere there HAS to be other life. Microscopic in most places, life nontheless. But logic also dictates that space is so freaking huge, that it is more likely that we will never come across beings from another planet because of the mind boggling distances they or we would have to cross to reach one another.

"Logic dictates a creator"

LOL. Which special buss did you fall off?
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You are absolutely wrong. Logically and scientifically.

There is zero evidence of life other than here on earth.

Of course, you deny that...and you are going to show me (us) the evidence for your claim, since you state it so boldly, no?

There is no evidence. None.

And logic, through scientifically demonstrable and proven statistics, proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is not even enough time in the whole history of the universe for even one protein to evolve the information it contains, by itself.

Even Watson, (Crick and Watson, who basically discovered the genome) admits that.

But you know better.

Do some research into real science. By real science I mean science in terms of what the observable evidence actually shows, not simply what you are preconditioned to believe.

Then decide.

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If there is a God and if evolution is bunk, it would be ridiculous for him to create this vast a universe and only populate one planet
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Why? He makes it so big to show, in some way, just how big, powerful and majestic He is.

If He made only a planet sized universe, not many people would be too impressed, I don't suppose. As it is, there is size, wonder and complexity far beyond what our minds are able to comprehend.

But that's me done for tonight. Bed beckons.
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Intelligent life will not always be physical, life can form anywhere even in sulphur pits at the bottom of the ocean with That much density.

Intelligent life could come in the form of gas, liquid, light. Anything! We cant fathom anything!!!

Even with SETI trying to find frequencies broadcast out in space, they can't measure every single frequency! Hell our ability to measure matter is a joke! The pitiful amount we can see with our own eyes is even funnier!!!
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There is zero evidence of other life elsewhere, and there is zero evidence for materialistic evolution. It is unscientific and illogical. It is not based on logic. On the contrary, logic dictates...nay..demands..a supernatural, non material (Spiritual) Creator.

Throw away logic if you will, but don't then presume to claim that logic supports your beliefs, because it doesn't.

Just the existence of 'information' as a non material entity confines all materialistic evolution to the garbage bin.

You are free to believe whatever you want, once you throw away logic. For an example...if you are interested...see this video. It is part 2 in a 6 part series.


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Your programming is holding well.
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SETI just spent the last 30 years proving that no radio emitting civilizations exist within a 1000 light years of Earth

They ran out of "near by" stars to look at.


When people insist that "Life is inevitable" on other worlds I ,make the following point


Conditions on Earth are perfect for the creation of life

We are warm enough for liquid water , cool enough for complex chemistry

Planet is the right size to produce and hold a dense atmosphere ( but not too dense or sunlight would be blocked)

We have a couple of gas giants that cleared out enough asteroids that Earth isn't pummeled every year , but they left enough for Earth to form

Our sun is the right size

Basically there are thousands of critical variables that came out right to produce a planet that can create life.

Ask any scientist and they'll tell you that Earth is the "perfect machine" for creating life

And in its 4.5 billion year life , Earth has created life JUST ONCE

All life on Earth is descended from the same DNA molecule

There are no exceptions

There are no "independently evolved" life forms on earth

There's no "alternatives" to the DNA thats inside all living cells.

If the scientist who predict that life is abundant "out there" are right , we should see biology alien to our own RIGHT HERE.

Where's the "Non-DNA" life forms?

Where's the cells that run on a "Different chemistry"?

Because what happened on Earth is EXTREMELY rare, the odds of it happening were so low theres a real chance that it was the first ( and last ) time it ever happened.
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and you think all of these conditions happened by chance? no, it was by divine design, in the same way other solar systems out there were divinely designed to support life.
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Alien races would most likely be worse than our own.

Why would you want a potential very aggressive race coming here?

Don't we already have enough hate and death in this world without adding to it?
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Alien races would most likely be worse than our own.

Why would you want a potential very aggressive race coming here?

Don't we already have enough hate and death in this world without adding to it?
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Don't you think that if a species learnt to travel millions of lightyears through space they might have evolved a little more than us? Maybe they realised the way to a better world was not through violence and aggression but through co-operation.
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Alien races would most likely be worse than our own.

Why would you want a potential very aggressive race coming here?

Don't we already have enough hate and death in this world without adding to it?
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Don't you think that if a species learnt to travel millions of lightyears through space they might have evolved a little more than us? Maybe they realised the way to a better world was not through violence and aggression but through co-operation.
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Perhaps we could learn a lesson from their book! If they did ever happen to visit im sure they wouldnt be aggressive, if anything theyd want to help us get out of the rut we are in. If they wanted to kill us and take our resources, i'll bet it could be done in seconds.
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If there is a God and if evolution is bunk, it would be ridiculous for him to create this vast a universe and only populate one planet
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God is not a man...

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the chances are slim in your world because your moms ass is way too fat for them to spot a landing spot.

they are already here you retard.
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Alien races would most likely be worse than our own.

Why would you want a potential very aggressive race coming here?

Don't we already have enough hate and death in this world without adding to it?
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Don't you think that if a species learnt to travel millions of lightyears through space they might have evolved a little more than us? Maybe they realised the way to a better world was not through violence and aggression but through co-operation.
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Perhaps we could learn a lesson from their book! If they did ever happen to visit im sure they wouldnt be aggressive, if anything theyd want to help us get out of the rut we are in. If they wanted to kill us and take our resources, i'll bet it could be done in seconds.
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the only reason they haven't yet, is because they haven't found us yet

what are we doing right now? looking for earth like planets?

why are we doing that? so we can head for them, sometime in the future, to claim them for ourselves. do you think we'll be all loving and beneficial to any sentient beings on those planets, wanting to help them? Look what we did to the native Americans/Australians/Maoris, etc. No, we'll eliminate any competition on those planets, simple as that.

that's a fact. it's a species survival thing. so we can't get all upset when technologically advanced aliens, with a taste for human inner ear bones, come here wanting this planet for themselves either, can we?
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the chances are slim in your world because your moms ass is way too fat for them to spot a landing spot.

they are already here you retard.
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if aliens are already here, we are their pets
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If there is a God and if evolution is bunk, it would be ridiculous for him to create this vast a universe and only populate one planet
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Even funnier is that some people think this god created the entire universe, but he only cares about Jews.
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Alien races would most likely be worse than our own.

Why would you want a potential very aggressive race coming here?

Don't we already have enough hate and death in this world without adding to it?
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Don't you think that if a species learnt to travel millions of lightyears through space they might have evolved a little more than us? Maybe they realised the way to a better world was not through violence and aggression but through co-operation.
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If an alien race was more advanced than ours ; we would be killed off quickly.

Look at what we did to all the North American Indians.


I dis agree

We would be toast quickly.
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SETI just spent the last 30 years proving that no radio emitting civilizations exist within a 1000 light years of Earth

They ran out of "near by" stars to look at.


When people insist that "Life is inevitable" on other worlds I ,make the following point


Conditions on Earth are perfect for the creation of life

We are warm enough for liquid water , cool enough for complex chemistry

Planet is the right size to produce and hold a dense atmosphere ( but not too dense or sunlight would be blocked)

We have a couple of gas giants that cleared out enough asteroids that Earth isn't pummeled every year , but they left enough for Earth to form

Our sun is the right size

Basically there are thousands of critical variables that came out right to produce a planet that can create life.

Ask any scientist and they'll tell you that Earth is the "perfect machine" for creating life

And in its 4.5 billion year life , Earth has created life JUST ONCE

All life on Earth is descended from the same DNA molecule

There are no exceptions

There are no "independently evolved" life forms on earth

There's no "alternatives" to the DNA thats inside all living cells.

If the scientist who predict that life is abundant "out there" are right , we should see biology alien to our own RIGHT HERE.

Where's the "Non-DNA" life forms?

Where's the cells that run on a "Different chemistry"?

Because what happened on Earth is EXTREMELY rare, the odds of it happening were so low theres a real chance that it was the first ( and last ) time it ever happened.
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bsflag

On the contrary. There is life everywhere on earth, Close to underwater volcano's living without oxygen, living deep in the ocean under heavy pressure, high up in the atmosphere and everywhere between. Life is very adaptable. Thats one thing we can say for sure.
Fungi spores can travel thru space.
Besides, just because you are only familiar to carbon based lifeforms, doesn't mean there aren't other, like silicon based lifeforms for example.
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aliens definitely exist
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Definitely and likely are definitely not the same thing.

We know of nothing that would prohibit intelligent life to evolve elsewhere.
But our knowledge is rather limited.

SETI just spent the last 30 years proving that no radio emitting civilizations exist within a 1000 light years of Earth.
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You mean civilisations that are deliberately emitting high-powered radio signals.
At the time they were looking.

You couldn't detect Earth's artificial EM emission from more than a lightyear away unless you happened to be listening at exactly the right moment and from exactly the right direction.
It would be a fluke discovery.

And a bubble of space 2,000 ly across is tiny.
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Alien races would most likely be worse than our own.

Why would you want a potential very aggressive race coming here?

Don't we already have enough hate and death in this world without adding to it?
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Don't you think that if a species learnt to travel millions of lightyears through space they might have evolved a little more than us? Maybe they realised the way to a better world was not through violence and aggression but through co-operation.
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Perhaps we could learn a lesson from their book! If they did ever happen to visit im sure they wouldnt be aggressive, if anything theyd want to help us get out of the rut we are in. If they wanted to kill us and take our resources, i'll bet it could be done in seconds.
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the only reason they haven't yet, is because they haven't found us yet

what are we doing right now? looking for earth like planets?

why are we doing that? so we can head for them, sometime in the future, to claim them for ourselves. do you think we'll be all loving and beneficial to any sentient beings on those planets, wanting to help them? Look what we did to the native Americans/Australians/Maoris, etc. No, we'll eliminate any competition on those planets, simple as that.

that's a fact. it's a species survival thing. so we can't get all upset when technologically advanced aliens, with a taste for human inner ear bones, come here wanting this planet for themselves either, can we?
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You've been watching too much Avatar havn't you?

Idiots like this is why humanity is fucked.
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Im still trying the 20000,- euro with no it realy is them.
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This is the life.
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You are absolutely wrong. Logically and scientifically.

There is zero evidence of life other than here on earth.

Of course, you deny that...and you are going to show me (us) the evidence for your claim, since you state it so boldly, no?

There is no evidence. None.
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So are you of the opinion that if the world powers had evidence of extra-terrestrial life on other planes, they would openly and willingly tell you about it?

Seems to me the people who control the 'evidence' would not allow you to see such evidence if did indeed exist, so your call for evidence from members of the general public is a little disingenous.

If there was complete transparency and honesty among the leaders of our civilization, then your claim would be valid, but obviously we know that's not the case.

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Seems to me the people who control the 'evidence' would not allow you to see such evidence if did indeed exist,
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Why?
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You are absolutely wrong. Logically and scientifically.

There is zero evidence of life other than here on earth.

Of course, you deny that...and you are going to show me (us) the evidence for your claim, since you state it so boldly, no?

There is no evidence. None.
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So are you of the opinion that if the world powers had evidence of extra-terrestrial life on other planes, they would openly and willingly tell you about it?

Seems to me the people who control the 'evidence' would not allow you to see such evidence if did indeed exist, so your call for evidence from members of the general public is a little disingenous.

If there was complete transparency and honesty among the leaders of our civilization, then your claim would be valid, but obviously we know that's not the case.
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Any scrap of evidence would vastly increase their prestige and also vastly increase their funding.

You really think there are thousands of scientists out there, trying to make a living...scratching their heads in frustration trying to offer some results of their life's work...and all this time they have the evidence, and are deliberately concealing it?

That does make for a great conspiracy, I'll grant you that.
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