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If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
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sombody that knows the bible can answer ?
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Jesus chooses not to know the day or hour just as the Father chooses not to look in the bedroom of a husband with his wife.
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He also didn't "spy" constantly on Adam and Eve but knew the sin had occurred once He came back and they were hiding.
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Actually NO the Lord God DID NOT KNOW, which becomes quite obvious from the little chatter he has with Adam.

Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Aren't you even little curious of such reaction from the Omnipotent and All-Knowing God? If this God of Old Testament YHVH was truly the real All-Knowing God he would not ask "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" for he would know the answer before asking such silly question, but if this God was indeed false God of Material World with limited knowledge desiring to be like Most High, The Father the Real God then it would make perfect sense. So this Blood Thirsty and Insecure YHVH did not know that sin had occurred once he saw them hiding, but rather only after Adam revealed that he was afraid because he was naked.
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he didn't ask because He didn't know. he asked because he wanted to hear Adams response.

it had nothing to do with lack of knowledge on God's part, and everything to do with wanting to hear what Adam had to say about the situation.

"naked" is a rough translation anyway. the word really means more about "shame" then actually physical nudity.
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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Who do you say Jesus is ?
John 12:44-45

44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in me, believes not in me, but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees me sees Him who sent me.

Jesus is making it clear here that you are to believe in him, yet Jesus wants you to mature in him and understand something else quite wonderful about him. That is that the one who sent him is in fact the same one you see when you look at Jesus.

Jesus is God Almighty the Father however while on earth he never operated with more power than that of a son. So before you misunderstand read the rest of this document.

Isaiah 45-21-23

21 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides me, a just God and a Savior; There is none besides me.

Jesus is a just God and Savior and it states there is no GOD or Savior besides the God of Israel. Since this is Jewish scripture then Jesus is either God and Savior or he is not. If this scripture is true and for correctly taught Christians we know it is, then Jesus is God Almighty the creator and our Heavenly Father. John 1 makes that clear as well.

22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

Once again God declares there is no God but the God of Israel

23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall take an oath.

Notice above God said he has sworn by himself and to him every knee shall bow. If every knee is going to bow to Jesus then Jesus has to be God Almighty our Father.

John 14:9

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And his name will be called; Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 20:26-28

26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

So who is Jesus Christ according to the scriptures above?



Jesus is God the Father the creator, but when Jesus became flesh he came as a son with no more power than Adam had before the fall. Adam had great authority and wisdom with God in the garden until he fell. Jesus had to pass the test Adam failed to redeem us which was temptation and obedience. If Jesus had used his power as God rather than limit himself to no more power than Adam had before the fall then Lucifer would have known who Jesus was and from God’s point of view it would have been cheating

When Jesus said he considered it robbery to be considered equal to God he did mean it. Even though Jesus was the Father he was operating with only the power Adam had as a son before the fall. Any other power Jesus manifested he attested to the Holy Spirit's work. The Holy spirit also spoke out of heaven saying concerning Jesus, ” This is my beloved Son in whom I’m well pleased.” Jesus also said ” The father is greater than I.” Note there is no contradiction here, Jesus at this point in time was limiting himself in power to that of a son.

Jesus knew he had to die for us in order to redeem us and Israel legally, Jesus also knew he had to keep hidden the fullness of who he was until all was fulfilled, but Jesus gave us clues everywhere who he was. When Jesus died on the Cross for us he died as a real son of God because he limited himself in power to that of a son, but when Jesus rose for our justification he no longer had to hide who he was. Peter said you are the son of the living God, and Jesus affirmed that without correction to Peter. Years later doubting Thomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD and Jesus did not correct him.

Before Jesus had ascended he said to Mary ” Do not touch me Mary for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Later he said to Thomas, put your hand in my side and touch my wound and be believing not faithless. The scriptures declare that no one can say Jesus is Lord (with faith & understanding) without the Holy Spirit. The Word Lord in the Greek is Kurios, it is as Thomas spoke it. It does not mean Lord Churchill or some knighted person from England. It means LORD as in God Almighty.

Most Christians call Jesus Lord but do not even know what the Greek and Hebrew meanings for the word Lord mean. The writer of the Gospels were NOT confused about who Jesus was after it was revealed. They made it clear in their writings what they meant. They could have used many usages of the greek concerning the word Lord. In the Greek the writers could have used the word Lord that means like a landlord or a banker or even a person with great authority but lessor than God, but they did not use that usage. The Greek word for Lord they used the word Kurios, which means God and Master. This is the exact word Thomas pronounced about Jesus when he finally got it right and said to Jesus: "My Lord and God"

1 Corinthians 12:3

Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Did you notice that above, it says no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. I'm sure every atheist could say Jesus is Lord pretending for a good laugh if they wanted to. So what does this scripture really mean for a Christian? Why do you need the Holy Spirit in order to say this with real understanding and faith. Because you cannot say until the Holy Spirit reveals to you what it really means, and you cannot say it as a real believer unless you know it is absolutely true.

The writer used the word Kurios for Lord in this scripture. Kurios means God Almighty and Master. So if the scripture is true and all real Christians really believe the scripture, then they should say, "No one can say Jesus is God Almighty except by the Holy Spirit." That is what this scripture means in the original Greek and that is what is actually saying. If the English translators had any guts at all they would have translated that way. They knew what the word Kurios means.

Now Jesus does not require you to understand this to be saved, however to really know him it is quite important.

Now I made it really clear in the first portion of this page how to reconcile some of the other misunderstandings. Those of you who do not know who Jesus is but say you are Christian then you are at best a Christian who wants to believe but mostly likely has never had a real experience with the Holy Spirit of Jesus. If you have had that experience then you have yet to get serious with studying the scriptures with the Holy Spirit's help, because the Holy Spirit would have surely shown this to you and help you understand it if you asked. If you are over dependent on Pastors and preachers this may also be the other reason. You have to get to the place where the Holy Spirit is always your first teacher. If you lean to much on pastor then they even the best of them will limit your growth and relationship with the Holy Spirit. So if you do not yet understand this then mostly likely you are a baby Christian at best concerning the word of God and may have good and honest intentions. However you have very little understanding. I hope you will mature in Christ Jesus the Lord our God and seek his Holy Spirit to teach you.

Every disciple of Jesus Christ when they called Jesus Lord knew what they were saying, they were saying that Jesus Christ is God. I think its about time you know too.

Notes:

Jehovah is an anglicized representation of Hebrew a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible. In the Greek translation of the Bible that was used in the time of Jesus, the personal name of God, YAHWEH, was translated into Greek as (kurios), translates into English as Lord or Master

The New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 2962
Original Word Word Origin κύριος from kuros (supremacy)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
kyrios koo'-ree-os

Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Masculine 3:1039,486

Definition
he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord the possessor and disposer of a thing
the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
this title is given to: God, the Messiah

Translated Words
KJV (748) - Lord, 667; Sir, 6; lord, 54; master, 11; misc, 4; sir, 6;
NAS (720) - Lord, 626; Lord of lords, 2; Lord's, 12; lord, 10; lords, 1; master, 38; master's, 3; masters, 8; masters', 1; owner, 6; owners, 1; sir, 11; sirs, 1

So the scripture is true, ” No one can say Jesus Christ is God Almighty (LORD) except by the Holy Spirit. That is what that scripture really means. No one can say Jesus is God except by the Holy Spirit. If you say Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings then what you are really saying is that Jesus is God above all Gods King above kings. So be the truth Amen and Forever Amen.

I praise you Father Jesus Father God,

Holy Holy is the God of Abraham

Praise to Jesus Christ in the Highest
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A fellow scholar!!! Very nice! I see you have been blessed with knowledge and understanding from above as well. Glad to see another one of us out there. Haven't seen too many lately.
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EXPLAINS IT ALL IN A 9 MINUTE VIDEO

Man's Fall from Heaven
The VEIL.
EGYPT, Pharaohs and the after life
CHRIST'S Descent into Sheol to Free Souls
CHRIST rips the Veils..Opens the Seals, Portal
The premise is All man went to Sheol (underworld) because of Sin. The only way to into Sheol way through the flesh and the only way to open the seal, gate, portal to the underworld was to be sinless. Christ came in the flesh, died in the flesh to go to the underworld to open the seals to free mankind from going to the underworld, and now the kingdom of heaven is open to all men. God freed the Israelites from Egypt because they were trying to escape Sheol on their own. This is why over and over and over again the bible calls Christ the redeemer, the sinless one, the sacrificed lamb.
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Calvinist, Church of Latter Day all believe Christs descent into the underworld, and believe it is scriptural and teach it according to Wikipedia. So this is a very old belief, its just not taught in the modern church... [link to en.wikipedia.org]



19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22
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I see stuff like this all the time. Usually these videos and comments are made by those that cannot understand a simple timeline. Or those that have not done enough historical research. Egypt did not come first, friends. And actually Egypt changed it's belief system a few times depending on the leader in different eras.

The concepts of the underworld and hell were taken from the original account. But people often like to try and discredit the Holy Bible by saying that it was borrowed from some other culture. This is actually very, very incorrect. Matter of fact Sumerian and Chaldea borrowed from the story of creation and it has been documented well. So why do people insist on spreading untruths? Obviously it smacks of an underlying agenda that will ultimately fail.
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AnIdiotidiotfacepalm
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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There are 12 propositions of the shield of the trinity actually, if things weren't confusing enough already.

"The Father is God"
"The Son is God"
"The Holy Spirit is God"
"God is the Father"
"God is the Son"
"God is the Holy Spirit"
"The Father is not the Son"
"The Son is not the Father"
"The Father is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Father"
"The Son is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Son"
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The trinity doctrine is confusing God is not a God of confusion the trinity is inherently false
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do you not comprehend that you yourself are also triune in nature? that you have three parts to your nature?

you have a physical body, a soul (mind/will/emotions) and a spirit (consciousness in spite of all)

we are made in God's image. we are triune just like God is triune.

it's really not confusing at all.
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imo jesus and our earth are prototypes, the sin of man is the life that we chose.so when jesus entered this world and declared his position he asked what should he do with his life, he made us the people design him and make the blueprint of man and world. yes he came and he suffered which proved what mans intentions were. born in a barn, rode a donkey, died at the hands of the elite, pagan etc.

and this is where we are at now, he will die for the sin of all mankind. this is the snake in the garden, not long now so better watch out!!
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CHRIST WENT TO SHEOL FOR 3DAYS
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CHRIST WENT TO SHEOL FOR 3DAYS
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Thread: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

Jesus experienced death - more specifically what we understand as the second death. and was raised on the third day.
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:AnIdiot::idiotfacepalm:
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Same old response from the person from the Bahamas. Pretty insignificant really. Maybe you should find out who Sargon the Magnificent was before you start calling people idiots. Because from where I am standing, you have provided nothing except an insult. I just gave you a clue to actually better yourself even. So don't be a fool, do some research. Oh... and I am not referring to Sargon II either. I am referring to Sargon the Magnificent.
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sombody that knows the bible can answer ?
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Jesus chooses not to know the day or hour just as the Father chooses not to look in the bedroom of a husband with his wife.
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No where in the bible does it say that Jesus chose not to know the day or hour. Jesus point blank did not know. He said only his Father knows the day and hour.
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And this illustrates the Jewish wedding tradition, and so the hearers of that day understood perfectly what Jesus was talking about. In Israel tradition, the son did not know the day or hour when his father would send him to get his bride, it would be a surprise, just as the "translation" (many call it the rapture, the snatching away of the bride of christ). The son then takes his bride to his father's house and celebrates the wedding for seven days. The Son Jesus will snatch away (translate, rapture, rescue) His body of believers (His bride) as the Bible says He will rescue us from that hour of testing which is about to come upon the whole world, take us away to heaven for the seven year celebration ( the Great Tribulation which lasts 7 years here). The Israelis who heard his words understood exactly what He was saying to them. The father in Israel would tell his son when to go and get his bride. It was just following the Jewish wedding tradition.
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GOD SPENT ALOT TIME FREEING THE HEBREWS FROMM EGYPT FOR A REASON...MOSES HAD A MAGICAL SHOW DOWN WITH THE PHARAOHS WHEN THEY BATTLED TURNING THE STAFFS INTO SERPENTS
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GO READ ABOUT THE VEIL THAT CHRIST RIPPED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. GO READ ABOUT SHEOL.
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that is what you call..babble.. straight from babylon
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Classic cop out

Just admit Everybod's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.

:EmpObama:
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Which begs the question: Why would someone who does not believe in the Judeao-Christian understanding enter a thread about Jesus?
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I said I believe in all Gods and no Gods
and I am apart of all religions and no religions


Some people have basic comprehension problems

:EmpObama:
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how can you do something and do nothing at the same time ? what you are saying is pure stupidity ... you are an idol unto yourself...have fun with that
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She'ol (pron.: /ˈʃiːoʊl/ SHEE-ohl or /ˈʃiːəl/ SHEE-əl; Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šʾôl), translated as "grave", "pit", or "abode of the dead", is the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible's underworld, a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from God.[1]

The inhabitants of Sheol were the "shades" (rephaim), entities without personality or strength.[2] Under some circumstances they could be contacted by the living, as the Witch of Endor contacts the shade of Samuel for Saul, but such practices are forbidden (Deuteronomy 18:10).[3] While the Old Testament writings describe Sheol as the permanent place of the dead, in the Second Temple period (roughly 500 BCE-70 CE) a more diverse set of ideas evolved: in some texts, Sheol is the home of both the righteous and the wicked, separated into respective compartments; in others, it was a place of punishment, meant for the wicked dead alone.[4] When the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek in ancient Alexandria around 200 BC the word "Hades" (the Greek underworld) was substituted for Sheol, and this is reflected in the New Testament where Hades is both the underworld of the dead and the personification of the evil it represents
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I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hades and of death.
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Thomas is a man and men get things wrong. Maybe Jesus was tired of correcting him, Who knows? Who cares!
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Who Cares? the great teacher tired of correcting Thomas him after His resurrection? That is seriously pathetic, unbelievable!
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Your ignoring of Jesus' precise words is what is pathetic. You have become boring.

It doesn't get simpler than this.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

I have provided you with quote after quote after quote where Jesus plainly and specifically says he is sent by GOD and is working for GOD and doing GOD's will.

Obviously Jesus express teachings aren't good enough for you so please continue believing man made doctrine.

Are you really a Christian? You don't seem to trust Jesus enough.

So who cares if you want to follow man made doctrine...

All will be revealed at some time.
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Thomas is a man and men get things wrong. Maybe Jesus was tired of correcting him, Who knows? Who cares!
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Who Cares? the great teacher tired of correcting Thomas him after His resurrection? That is seriously pathetic, unbelievable!
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Your ignoring of Jesus' precise words is what is pathetic. You have become boring.

It doesn't get simpler than this.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

I have provided you with quote after quote after quote where Jesus plainly and specifically says he is sent by GOD and is working for GOD and doing GOD's will.

Obviously Jesus express teachings aren't good enough for you so please continue believing man made doctrine.

Are you really a Christian? You don't seem to trust Jesus enough.

So who cares if you want to follow man made doctrine...

All will be revealed at some time.
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You provided nothing that makes your point, Thomas called him God and Jesus blessed him for it. You being bored as an excuse to say Thomas was saying OMG is pathetic
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Thomas is a man and men get things wrong. Maybe Jesus was tired of correcting him, Who knows? Who cares!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

Who Cares? the great teacher tired of correcting Thomas him after His resurrection? That is seriously pathetic, unbelievable!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


Your ignoring of Jesus' precise words is what is pathetic. You have become boring.

It doesn't get simpler than this.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

I have provided you with quote after quote after quote where Jesus plainly and specifically says he is sent by GOD and is working for GOD and doing GOD's will.

Obviously Jesus express teachings aren't good enough for you so please continue believing man made doctrine.

Are you really a Christian? You don't seem to trust Jesus enough.

So who cares if you want to follow man made doctrine...

All will be revealed at some time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

You provided nothing that makes your point, Thomas called him God and Jesus blessed him for it. You being bored as an excuse to say Thomas was saying OMG is pathetic
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997

also all you are providing is that the Father sent the Son, that doesnt go against the trinity LoL
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There are 12 propositions of the shield of the trinity actually, if things weren't confusing enough already.

"The Father is God"
"The Son is God"
"The Holy Spirit is God"
"God is the Father"
"God is the Son"
"God is the Holy Spirit"
"The Father is not the Son"
"The Son is not the Father"
"The Father is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Father"
"The Son is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Son"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14105059


The trinity doctrine is confusing God is not a God of confusion the trinity is inherently false
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


do you not comprehend that you yourself are also triune in nature? that you have three parts to your nature?

you have a physical body, a soul (mind/will/emotions) and a spirit (consciousness in spite of all)

we are made in God's image. we are triune just like God is triune.

it's really not confusing at all.
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Where are you getting your information from?
This is rhetorical
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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There are 12 propositions of the shield of the trinity actually, if things weren't confusing enough already.

"The Father is God"
"The Son is God"
"The Holy Spirit is God"
"God is the Father"
"God is the Son"
"God is the Holy Spirit"
"The Father is not the Son"
"The Son is not the Father"
"The Father is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Father"
"The Son is not the Holy Spirit"
"The Holy Spirit is not the Son"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14105059


The trinity doctrine is confusing God is not a God of confusion the trinity is inherently false
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do you not comprehend that you yourself are also triune in nature? that you have three parts to your nature?

you have a physical body, a soul (mind/will/emotions) and a spirit (consciousness in spite of all)

we are made in God's image. we are triune just like God is triune.

it's really not confusing at all.
 Quoting: Salt


Where are you getting your information from?
This is rhetorical
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huh? you have to be kidding me, right?
not only is it common knowledge but it is scriptural.
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Classic cop out

Just admit Everybod's God is the true God and nobody's God is the true God.

EmpObama
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Which begs the question: Why would someone who does not believe in the Judeao-Christian understanding enter a thread about Jesus?
 Quoting: Rising Son


I said I believe in all Gods and no Gods
and I am apart of all religions and no religions


Some people have basic comprehension problems

EmpObama
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how can you do something and do nothing at the same time ? what you are saying is pure stupidity ... you are an idol unto yourself...have fun with that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26311503


Even a fool doesn't recognize wisdom as wise.

If you don't understand it's because you choose not too

I am all religions and no religions
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Thomas called him God and Jesus blessed him for it.
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Just curious. Can you quote Him? - Doubtful.
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The trinity doctrine is confusing God is not a God of confusion the trinity is inherently false
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do you not comprehend that you yourself are also triune in nature? that you have three parts to your nature?

you have a physical body, a soul (mind/will/emotions) and a spirit (consciousness in spite of all)

we are made in God's image. we are triune just like God is triune.

it's really not confusing at all.
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Where are you getting your information from?
This is rhetorical
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huh? you have to be kidding me, right?
not only is it common knowledge but it is scriptural.
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I love Christ
But Biblical doesn't means true unless unicorns are real.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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do you not comprehend that you yourself are also triune in nature? that you have three parts to your nature?

you have a physical body, a soul (mind/will/emotions) and a spirit (consciousness in spite of all)

we are made in God's image. we are triune just like God is triune.

it's really not confusing at all.
 Quoting: Salt


Where are you getting your information from?
This is rhetorical
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


huh? you have to be kidding me, right?
not only is it common knowledge but it is scriptural.
 Quoting: Salt


I love Christ
But Biblical doesn't means true unless unicorns are real.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the unicorn?
if you mean the rhinoceros then yes, the bible is sound and infallible.
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Where are you getting your information from?
This is rhetorical
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


huh? you have to be kidding me, right?
not only is it common knowledge but it is scriptural.
 Quoting: Salt


I love Christ
But Biblical doesn't means true unless unicorns are real.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the unicorn?
if you mean the rhinoceros then yes, the bible is sound and infallible.
 Quoting: Salt


So is the Bhagavad Gita and all other major religious holy books .

All religions but no religions
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Thomas called him God and Jesus blessed him for it.
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Just curious. Can you quote Him? - Doubtful.
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Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
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Where are you getting your information from?
This is rhetorical
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


huh? you have to be kidding me, right?
not only is it common knowledge but it is scriptural.
 Quoting: Salt


I love Christ
But Biblical doesn't means true unless unicorns are real.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the unicorn?
if you mean the rhinoceros then yes, the bible is sound and infallible.
 Quoting: Salt


Still waiting for those links with mountains and mountains of evidence you were talking about.
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huh? you have to be kidding me, right?
not only is it common knowledge but it is scriptural.
 Quoting: Salt


I love Christ
But Biblical doesn't means true unless unicorns are real.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the unicorn?
if you mean the rhinoceros then yes, the bible is sound and infallible.
 Quoting: Salt


So is the Bhagavad Gita and all other major religious holy books .

All religions but no religions
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the bhagavad gita does not have centuries of fulfilled prophecy.
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Thomas called him God and Jesus blessed him for it.
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Just curious. Can you quote Him? - Doubtful.
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Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


WTF. The blessing??
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I love Christ
But Biblical doesn't means true unless unicorns are real.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the unicorn?
if you mean the rhinoceros then yes, the bible is sound and infallible.
 Quoting: Salt


So is the Bhagavad Gita and all other major religious holy books .

All religions but no religions
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


the bhagavad gita does not have centuries of fulfilled prophecy.
 Quoting: Salt


Doesn't make it any less infallible or sound

Even Nostradamus and Cayce predicted stuff way in advance if they wrote a book is it infallible.

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REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Listen, the bible says Jesus is the son of God. He isn't God. They are father and son.
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You don't understand yourself, calling Christ the Son simply implies where he came from.

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Listen, the bible says Jesus is the son of God. He isn't God. They are father and son.
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You don't understand yourself, calling Christ the Son simply implies where he came from.

churchlady
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There is no "Son of God" without God possible. Unlike God without the Son. Got it?

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