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If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
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I had a few extra minutes so I decided to address some objections which people notoriously bring up in there defense of the Jesus is GOD subject.

I base my answers on Jesus' alleged actual words. I think I can trust Jesus.

The "i am" evidence, (which always gets presented), has several flaws, that most people have never even considered, because they don't study correctly, and don't read with an analytical mind.

GOD gave you that mind so you probably should use it! Shouldn't you?

1. All those people and those Bible versions who have "I AM" or "I Am" as evidence are telling fibs. Jesus probably spoke Aramaic and everyone knows, (well I hope they do), that Aramaic and Ancient Hebrew didn't have capital letters.

So to type it with capitals is to give it far more emphasis than may have been meant. Should our translations be at least somewhat accurate without changing emphases?

2. Moses was the one who alleged that GOD said "i am who i am" or "i am that i am". Now this doesn't make any sense at all. Instead of saying "The GOD of Israel sent me" he was meant to say "i am" sent me?

BUT Moses has more problems than that - Credibility being one of them. Moses using the term "GOD said" to justify everything, was a war criminal. He taught stoning,ethnic cleansing, slavery, infanticide and abortion.

Oh you didn't know about abortion?

Numbers 5:16-22 (NIV) “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord."

Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.

After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.

But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”


Do you really think that the most intelligent being ever allowed Moses and his priests to add dust to water as a test for fidelity? Note : But only fidelity for the woman. Surely this is absurd, isn't it?

But Jesus contradicts many of Moses' accounts with one line

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Is Moses or Jesus lying... Whose version do you trust more?

Why would Jesus say such a thing if he was GOD and had spoken directly to Moses? The Bible & Moses said he did!

See some massive problems here with Moses' credibility? See a problem here with GOD and abortion?

3. Jesus very occasionally used the term "i am" but in one particular instance he gave more detail.

Matthew 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

People read this line, grab it and pretend it aligns with the OT "i am who i am" line from Moses the terrible, BUT, miss the key word… Abraham!

If Jesus had said “before adam I am” then that would have put him before man.

BUT Abraham? Abraham is nowhere near the first in this alleged genealogy.

Something is definitely wrong, and believers just read over it as if it was nothing.

Jesus is saying he goes back to before Abraham… This is a crazy choice, as GOD, he has to go back to before Adam at least another 19 generations!

So how do believers miss this important stuff? How do they believe in the atrocities of Moses as "from GOD"? - Does your GOD allow people to be like Moses, and to commit the crimes of Moses?

And how do they accept "i am" as meaning so much when it is very peculiarly used in both cases?

I'll let you ponder those dilemmas for a little while.

Lastly, people quote all manner of passages, (usually said by men, or reported by men, like Paul, or, from John in Revelations, again purporting to be from GOD), that claim Jesus is GOD.

Can we trust men's views on making this decision or should the only version that merits consideration be that of Jesus the "Son of GOD" as declared. He was on Earth afterall, and surely it is following his precise teachings that make you Christian.

Why didn't the most intelligent being ever simply say "I am GOD", if Jesus was truly GOD. GOD said this -

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I hope this has helped in sorting the wheat from the charf.

Good luck with your studies.

peace
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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Christ took on the sins of all in the Garden of Gethsemane
so he could grant forgiveness for repentance of sin for
each person who repents.

Jesus Christ is the son of God the Father in spirit,
and is God's only begotten also, so he could accomplish
the mission in Gethsemane, and on the cross when he laid
down his life, so he could take it up again in resurrection,
breaking the bonds of death, so he could grant that to all
with or without repentance.

It is recorded in scripture that no one knows when
Christ will complete his mission and return to earth,
that only God the Father knows.

There is no scripture I know of that proclaims that God
the Father and Jesus Christ are equals, only that they are
one in purpose. In fact, we are to pray to God the Father
in the name of Christ who is the Lord.

It is recorded that it is Christ who permits or does not
permit a return to God the Father upon our deaths and
resurrection.
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GOD himself saved us, see verses below.

Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luke 1:68

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
I John 5:20

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. John 1:10-11

"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: ‘Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.’" Rev. 1:17

To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. Rev. 2:8,

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim 3:16

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the WORD, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1John 5:7

And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14
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Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:11-22
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Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

And of some have compassion, making a difference:

And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:21-25

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:8-10

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:20

Thank you Father, Thank you Jesus.
God bless you all!
Love in Christ, Cassie
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

"...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I John 1:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

And this is the record, that God hath given
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Didn't Abraham say God will provide himself a sacrifice

It is written:
How have I been with you so long and thou sayest show me the father?
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Why didn't the most intelligent being ever simply say "I am GOD", if Jesus was truly GOD. GOD said this -

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I hope this has helped in sorting the wheat from the charf.

Good luck with your studies.

peace
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Perhaps because he was following a bit of his own wisdom...
"Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips."

For it was written beforehand, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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You are confusing the jewish jesus and what is written in the bible with the truth. The truth is God is CHrist. CHrist came with his mother Our Lady to Rome approximately 2ooo years ago or thereabouts maybe even a little before. The Jews in Rome crucified God. Remember all the Jews do is worship lucifer the devil so of course they wanted God dead so they would keep everyone in line with the status quo. But what lucifer and the Jews did not expect is that God came back to Rome after he died. The Jews were so embarrassed because they crucified him with their bare hands and I have suspicions they ate him too. But then after a few days they saw him exactly as God was before he was sliced and diced and nailed and skinned and eaten. Then God gave the Romans a set of instructions like a ceremony or ritual called a sacrament which is supposed to be the mass. Anyone who takes part in this mass would know exactly what happened to God and the truth about God so they would not have bow down to false gods that the Jews want you to bow down to.
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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You are confusing the jewish jesus and what is written in the bible with the truth. The truth is God is CHrist. CHrist came with his mother Our Lady to Rome approximately 2ooo years ago or thereabouts maybe even a little before. The Jews in Rome crucified God. Remember all the Jews do is worship lucifer the devil so of course they wanted God dead so they would keep everyone in line with the status quo. But what lucifer and the Jews did not expect is that God came back to Rome after he died. The Jews were so embarrassed because they crucified him with their bare hands and I have suspicions they ate him too. But then after a few days they saw him exactly as God was before he was sliced and diced and nailed and skinned and eaten. Then God gave the Romans a set of instructions like a ceremony or ritual called a sacrament which is supposed to be the mass. Anyone who takes part in this mass would know exactly what happened to God and the truth about God so they would not have bow down to false gods that the Jews want you to bow down to.
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Then God and his mother Our Lady ascended back to heaven. Then Rome changed and revolted against the jewish leaders and high priests doing their sick rituals to lucifer and other gods. Then they took their revolution to jerusalem and stormed all the temples and with the help of Our Lady the 2nd temple in jerusalem sunk to the ground. But a few of the jewish high priests ran to the woods of Israel and survived and worked with the surviving jewish bloodline of David and came up with jewish jesus born to Mary who was probably their sex slave. They trained jesus in magic and sorcery and sent him all through out Israel tricking people into thinking he was a messiah and then he copied the format of God's crucifixion but he never was crucified. So now since they had everyone confusing God with Jesus then the Jews had the Catholics and all their souls going to hell. Which is what all the Jews want. You see when you make a deal with the devil you are pretty much done. There is no way to get back to heaven so the devil says ok you won`t burn or hurt as much in hell if you bring me the most souls as possible. And if you can get everyone in the world to bow to lucifer you get to live forever on earth. But everyone is everyone even if 6 billion people on earth bow down to lucifer and 1 soul bows down to CHrist then you lose you stay in hell and lucifer is still mad and take out his anger on you in hell. All you have to do to avoid hell and the devil is to know that CHrist is God. God's father is the Holy Ghost. We know this because Our Lady said that without the Holy Ghost there would he no forgiveness from heaven.
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maybe 'father' refers to the 'god of this universe, however jesus is from beyond this universe
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Further evidence to consider

I will stick to what Jesus is alleged to have said because most of the other stuff that people quote is man's interpretations and man is a bit famous for getting things wrong!

Let's look at "Jesus is GOD"

Why would GOD himself refer to Himself as the 'son of Himself?

If Jesus is a separate entity he could call himself "Son of GOD' and that would be accurate.

BUT what else did Jesus say? He said this about man's teachings.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.


So don't rely on Paul as he directly contradicts Jesus here

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”

BUT

JESUS said, Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jesus the one you allegedly worship said these things.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

No-one has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then is Jesus being GOD, lying? Are the Moses' of this world also lying?

And what does this say about John's opening to his book where John says when Jesus later says "No man hath seen GOD"

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

BUT there is much, much more.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He ascends to GOD. They are separate!

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

HOWEVER it does explain why Jesus said what he said in Luke 12:10 below.

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... GOD gave Jesus life in himself! Why does Jesus separate what is supposedly the same? If they are one in the same this is most deceitful.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet?

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? Again, why the subterfuge?

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why his GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here?

I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

John 17:22 -23And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So can we be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here!

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter only won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity? This is a very loud separation!

This makes no sense at all... unless they are separate entities!

I could pull out verse after verse of what you guys believe Jesus said whilst on Earth and you would still refuse to listen to him.

So I guess the question is this... Do you believe man made doctrine or do you believe what Jesus expressly said?

Study the history of trinitarian thinking... It was never stated by Jesus!

Why didn't Jesus being an omniscient being who knows all things and would obviously know the dilemma this would cause in the future simply say "I am GOD"!

BUT one more important verse

John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Why would GOD hide? He is the most powerful being ever!

I have posted much of this before BUT people making the statement JESUS IS GOD doesn't comply with any reasonable study of JESUS' teachings!
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Further evidence to consider

I will stick to what Jesus is alleged to have said because most of the other stuff that people quote is man's interpretations and man is a bit famous for getting things wrong!

Let's look at "Jesus is GOD"

Why would GOD himself refer to Himself as the 'son of Himself?

If Jesus is a separate entity he could call himself "Son of GOD' and that would be accurate.

BUT what else did Jesus say? He said this about man's teachings.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.


So don't rely on Paul as he directly contradicts Jesus here

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”

BUT

JESUS said, Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jesus the one you allegedly worship said these things.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!
You dont realize Jesus also said
Mat_20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?



John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

No-one has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then is Jesus being GOD, lying? Are the Moses' of this world also lying?

And what does this say about John's opening to his book where John says when Jesus later says "No man hath seen GOD"
Jesus also said

Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

BUT there is much, much more.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He ascends to GOD. They are separate!

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

HOWEVER it does explain why Jesus said what he said in Luke 12:10 below.

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... GOD gave Jesus life in himself! Why does Jesus separate what is supposedly the same? If they are one in the same this is most deceitful.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet?

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? Again, why the subterfuge?

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why his GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here?

I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

John 17:22 -23And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So can we be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here!

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter only won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity? This is a very loud separation!

This makes no sense at all... unless they are separate entities!

I could pull out verse after verse of what you guys believe Jesus said whilst on Earth and you would still refuse to listen to him.

So I guess the question is this... Do you believe man made doctrine or do you believe what Jesus expressly said?

Study the history of trinitarian thinking... It was never stated by Jesus!

Why didn't Jesus being an omniscient being who knows all things and would obviously know the dilemma this would cause in the future simply say "I am GOD"!

BUT one more important verse

John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Why would GOD hide? He is the most powerful being ever!

I have posted much of this before BUT people making the statement JESUS IS GOD doesn't comply with any reasonable study of JESUS' teachings!
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You don't have a grasp of the Godhead, Jesus didn,t have to hide, He simply said I AM he and the Roman soldiers fell, God will reveal Himself unto whomever He wills and He has not revealed Himself to you yet.
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Oh yes I do... It is a man made construct perpetrated by people who haven't done the requisite study.

Congratulations... You are one of those such people.

So when John says "Jesus hid" he doesn't mean Jesus hid he means all the Roman soldiers dropped dead?

WOW!

You must be right and Jesus' own words must be wrong!

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Oh yes I do... It is a man made construct perpetrated by people who haven't done the requisite study.

Congratulations... You are one of those such people.

So when John says "Jesus hid" he doesn't mean Jesus hid he means all the Roman soldiers dropped dead?

WOW!

You must be right and Jesus' own words must be wrong!

lolsign
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You didnt bother responding to the other verses I responded with, they are in red letters in your quote. You either didn't see them or you don't have an answer, I dunno
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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You do know Jesus/Yeshua did all of this as a man, although God in the flesh, he put his deity aside and did everything through faith in the Father. So when he was on the cross He was a man bearing the sins of the world. And I don't know of a verse that says the Father turned away. He did forsake him as Jesus quoted Psalms on the cross right before he gave up the ghost.

Again on your "no man knows" questions... if you again realize that Jesus is man and God he as the 2nd Adam or man would not know the time or hour the Father has appointed for his 2nd coming.

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Oh yes I do... It is a man made construct perpetrated by people who haven't done the requisite study.

Congratulations... You are one of those such people.

So when John says "Jesus hid" he doesn't mean Jesus hid he means all the Roman soldiers dropped dead?

WOW!

You must be right and Jesus' own words must be wrong!

lolsign
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Also you may not be familiar "I AM He" verses and it's why your confusing that because I said "He didnt have" to hide if He chose not to. You think He was weak and helpless and that was his only option was to hide. Lol Really?

Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
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Listen, the bible says Jesus is the son of God. He isn't God. They are father and son.
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1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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Now go check the history of 1 John 5:7 ...

SURPRISE!

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LoL I was fishing and I knew I would get a Bite!
Perfect opportunity to post this video in response!
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You didnt bother responding to the other verses I responded with, they are in red letters in your quote. You either didn't see them or you don't have an answer, I dunno
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My apologies I didn't see the red...

Jesus the one you allegedly worship said these things.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!
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You dont realize Jesus also said
Mat_20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
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You have taken this totally out of context. The "I am good" statement is not referring to Jesus , it is a part of "The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard". You need to re-read Matthew 20 1-16.

It is not a direct statement that contradicts Mark 10:18 - trust me! The "i am" argument is wrong, and undermines the intellect of GOD!

John_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
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This changes nothing. This verse is saying that when he looks at Jesus (the son), he is also looking at a being with the traits of "the father" as Jesus has been moulded by his father.

You ignore the verses like the following that I explain in detail in my previous posts about Jesus' definition of oneness and the separation also.

Jesus never said "I am GOD" - now please go and study the history of the trinity... You will be shocked.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This shows how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here?

Is the father in you? Are you GOD now? Of course not.

You are taking a very long bow to promote your ideology but in doing so you are ignoring all the verses that contradict your position totally.

So why did Jesus say this? Surely if GOD and he are one none of this stuff needs saying.

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Please try not to let indoctrination interrupt your ability to comprehend...

Go back and read my posts on this thread...

I can only show you what is said... It is up to you to comprehend.

I don't care if people want to believe in the trinity... It just isn't supported by scripture. Why was Jesus at pains to continually call himself the "son of man"?

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Oh yes I do... It is a man made construct perpetrated by people who haven't done the requisite study.

Congratulations... You are one of those such people.

So when John says "Jesus hid" he doesn't mean Jesus hid he means all the Roman soldiers dropped dead?

WOW!

You must be right and Jesus' own words must be wrong!

lolsign
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Also you may not be familiar "I AM He" verses and it's why your confusing that because I said "He didnt have" to hide if He chose not to. You think He was weak and helpless and that was his only option was to hide. Lol Really?

John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
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They were looking for Jesus of Nazareth and he answers "I am he" ... It has nothing to do with "I am" meaning GOD...

And perhaps the reason they stepped back and fell was that it was a very tense situation as Peter had a sword.

John 18:10 10 Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant’s name was Malchus.

The verses that you presented are not an argument for the belief you have chosen.

Here "I am he"... Does that mean I am GOD? Of course not!

So why did Jesus hide? It makes no sense, because according to you, just saying, "I am he", causes people to fall over!

Sorry the whole "i am" argument is illogical, especially after Jesus said verses like this when sitting in front of people and refused to say "I am GOD" when he had so much opportunity.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Keep studying!

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You didnt bother responding to the other verses I responded with, they are in red letters in your quote. You either didn't see them or you don't have an answer, I dunno
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My apologies I didn't see the red...

Jesus the one you allegedly worship said these things.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!
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You dont realize Jesus also said
Mat_20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
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You have taken this totally out of context. The "I am good" statement is not referring to Jesus , it is a part of "The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard". You need to re-read Matthew 20 1-16.

It is not a direct statement that contradicts Mark 10:18 - trust me! The "i am" argument is wrong, and undermines the intellect of GOD!

John_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
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This changes nothing. This verse is saying that when he looks at Jesus (the son), he is also looking at a being with the traits of "the father" as Jesus has been moulded by his father.

You ignore the verses like the following that I explain in detail in my previous posts about Jesus' definition of oneness and the separation also.

Jesus never said "I am GOD" - now please go and study the history of the trinity... You will be shocked.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This shows how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here?

Is the father in you? Are you GOD now? Of course not.

You are taking a very long bow to promote your ideology but in doing so you are ignoring all the verses that contradict your position totally.

So why did Jesus say this? Surely if GOD and he are one none of this stuff needs saying.

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Please try not to let indoctrination interrupt your ability to comprehend...

Go back and read my posts on this thread...

I can only show you what is said... It is up to you to comprehend.

I don't care if people want to believe in the trinity... It just isn't supported by scripture. Why was Jesus at pains to continually call himself the "son of man"?

peace
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You can't see that that parable was about Jesus. Well here chew on this for awhile,
Joh_10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega but you have trouble understanding the nature of the God head. There cxan be only one first and one last. Pray and study your Bible more and He will reveal unto you who He really is
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This changes nothing. This verse is saying that when he looks at Jesus (the son), he is also looking at a being with the traits of "the father" as Jesus has been moulded by his father.
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You have to add "traits", Jesus never said "You have seen the traits of the Father, But you have to mold this into your attack on the Word
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You should also read the history of the pagan/satanic attack on the trinity, it will blow your mind.
I'm not a james white fan but this debate represents your side better than you can, yet at the same time makes it clear that you are simply wrong.

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Also notice Jesus never denied being God but blessed Thomas when he believed He was God, yet you do not believe He is God

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Be careful, you are still dead in your sins said Christ:
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.
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This is an excellent question. I, by no means, have all knowledge, but here is a little of what I have gleaned from my relationship with The Lord.

God is represented by three things, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all one. We are created in the image of God, and that mirror image is our soul, flesh and spirit. We are obviously one person, just as the Godhead is one, but we have three distinct branches of who we are.. Our flesh has to be crucified, just as God's flesh was crucified for our sins. Our flesh, which is represented by Jesus, MUST take the backseat to our soul by which our born again spirit gives life.

Yeah, still a little confusing for me, the aspects of the soul and spirit specifically, but in a nutshell, we are inter dimensional creatures. Just as Jesus (the flesh) said that the Father was greater than he, so too is our soul and spirit greater than our flesh.
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hf Great answer! In the Book of Revelation it says no one is worthy to open the book of 7 seals except for the lamb of God - Jesus. Why is he worthy? Because he had to live as a man and be subject to every temptation we are, feel hunger, pain etc. and yet overcome sin all the days of his 33 years. God the Father is a spirit, where as Jesus is 100% God but also 100% man. It isn't the easiest thing for us to understand, it is complex even as we are. We are God's tabernacle - outer court (body), inner court (mind/ emotions/ personality) and holy of holies (the breath of life, God's holy spirit in us).

1 Thess 5:23 (KJV) - 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

See the 3 in 1?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


God is also three in one, and we are made in his image, halleluyah.
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Jesus could open the scroll because He is High Priest to mankind and the King of Kings. The first seal is God and the Holy Spirit and Christ is the method used in those final prophecies. His 7 pairs of eyes is the 7 appearances He makes in Revelation. This is also a reference to Him in relation to the 1st seal vision.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;


Man is two parts rather than 3. Even husband and wife are shown to be a model after God and the Holy Spirit.

Ge:1:26:
And God said,
Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle,
and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge:1:27:
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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You are incorrect sir. Hebrews 4.12 I believe says there is body soul and spirit.
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Also notice Jesus never denied being God but blessed Thomas when he believed He was God, yet you do not believe He is God

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Be careful, you are still dead in your sins said Christ:
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.
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Do you read past the verses you choose? With every post you undermine GOD.

Jesus says he was sent!

John 8:25-26 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.


Jesus once again refers to himself as "son of GOD".

John 20:28-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


Again he refers to himself as the son!

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Note that the verses you provide are always followed by greater explanation... and Jesus never says because "I am GOD".

Jesus is the alpha.... He is the one "son of GOD" - Alpha doesn't mean GOD. But also he didn't say this whilst he was on Earth... This is from Revelations!

Look we can go on like this forever - You are defending man made doctrine. Believe what you will.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

I agree with Jesus... Please go have your debate with him.

Keep studying!

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My understanding is that Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is the Son of God born through a virgin birth and completely sinless (as only someone who is both fully God and man could be). I'm still walking and learning in my walk with God, but this is how I understand it. I believe that because we don't have all the knowledge of God, the Holy Trinity is hard to understand because we (humans) can't comprehend all the power and glory of God, but one day it will all be made known to us.hf
Ephesians 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
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Put it this way, royal flush against four aces
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Prayers for Trinatarians 101

Jesus gives the Lord's Prayer

Me, whom currently art not in heaven,
Hallowed be my name,
My Kingdom come
My will be done on Earth as it is in heaven,
I give these people their daily bread,
I forgive them their sins as they forgive those who sin against them.
I lead them not into temptation, but I deliver them from evil.
For mine is the kingdom, the power and the glory,
Forever and Ever. Amen!


Jesus prays for lots of people

John 17:6-26

6 I have manifested my name unto the men which I gavest myself out of the world: mine they were, and I gavest them myself; and they have kept my word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever I hast given me are of mine.

8 For I have given unto them the words which I gavest myself; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from myself, and they have believed that I didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which I hast given me; for they are mine.

10 And all mine are mine, and mine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to me. Holy Jesus, keep through mine own name those whom I hast given me, that they may be one, as I am.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in my name: those that I gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to myself; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them my word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that I shouldest take them out of the world, but that I shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 I will Sanctify them through my truth: my word is truth.

18 As I hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as I, myself, art in me, and I in myself, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that I hast sent me.

22 And the glory which myself gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as I are one:

23 I in them, and myself in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that I hast sent me, and hast loved them, as I hast loved myself.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom I hast given myself, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which I hast given myself: for I lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous me, the world hath not known me: but I have known myself, and these have known that myself hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them my name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith I hast loved myself may be in them, and I in them.


See what happens when Jesus no longer prays to GOD, (and you take reference to GOD out), but prays to himself.

Sometimes you have to overturn money tables for people to notice!

AMAZING!

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Also notice Jesus never denied being God but blessed Thomas when he believed He was God, yet you do not believe He is God

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Be careful, you are still dead in your sins said Christ:
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.
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Do you read past the verses you choose? With every post you undermine GOD.

Jesus says he was sent!

John 8:25-26 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.


Jesus once again refers to himself as "son of GOD".

John 20:28-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


Again he refers to himself as the son!

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Note that the verses you provide are always followed by greater explanation... and Jesus never says because "I am GOD".

Jesus is the alpha.... He is the one "son of GOD" - Alpha doesn't mean GOD. But also he didn't say this whilst he was on Earth... This is from Revelations!

Look we can go on like this forever - You are defending man made doctrine. Believe what you will.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

I agree with Jesus... Please go have your debate with him.

Keep studying!

peace
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All I see is you dodging where Christ did not correct Thomas for calling Him God but blessed Him, You can't understand that because God hasn't revealed Himself to you like He has Thomas

Read more and pray about it
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Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
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Re: If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...
Jesus Was God yet in the form of man, I will elaborate and provide scriptures shortly.

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