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If Jesus Is God or Co-Equal to God Then Why...

 
Rising Son
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I hear selfishness and pride in your words. There is a thin line between tolerance and indifference.
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The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions

sounds like a paradox but it's not
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart.
 Quoting: Rising Son


"As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


I am not familiar with that passage, but why should any man serve his own purpose? He should live for others, in accordance with his Father's will.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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I hear selfishness and pride in your words. There is a thin line between tolerance and indifference.
 Quoting: Rising Son


The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions

sounds like a paradox but it's not
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart.
 Quoting: Rising Son


"As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav
LoL, but you can't make the scripture say that each man can find his own way into heaven!

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions

sounds like a paradox but it's not
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart.
 Quoting: Rising Son


"As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav
LoL, but you can't make the scripture say that each man can find his own way into heaven!

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows.

No pride hear my friend I believe in all religions and no religions

sounds like a paradox but it's not
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart.
 Quoting: Rising Son


"As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


I am not familiar with that passage, but why should any man serve his own purpose? He should live for others, in accordance with his Father's will.
 Quoting: Rising Son


We should not always live to please others though because it can be dangerous remember peer pressure.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit.
Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to.
I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it.

what are we missing?
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The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit.
Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to.
I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it.

what are we missing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


Do numbers really exist?
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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jc is not dead - and never was.

his source designed a system of hide and seek...it's a ball!

it's your turn now.
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You are confusing wisdom with humility. They are very different things, yet they both come from the heart.
 Quoting: Rising Son


"As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank, so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture that which will serve his purpose." — Bhagavad Gita (circa 250BCE), The Lord's Song.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


I am not familiar with that passage, but why should any man serve his own purpose? He should live for others, in accordance with his Father's will.
 Quoting: Rising Son


We should not always live to please others though because it can be dangerous remember peer pressure.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav


As a father takes pleasure in seeing his children happy, so it is with our brothers and sisters. If you love them, you want them to be happy, and that becomes your purpose.

Last Edited by Rising Son on 01/06/2013 02:28 PM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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jc is not dead - and never was.

his source designed a system of hide and seek...it's a ball!

it's your turn now.
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None of us are really dead we just changed atoms change form
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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I like this answer that I found. It makes sense to me...



Jesus was both God and man. He had two natures. He was divine and human at the same time. That is, there was the coming-together of two natures in one person. In Heb. 2:9 that Jesus was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ." Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." Jesus was both God and man at the same time.

As a man, Jesus cooperated with the limitations of being a man. That is why we have verses like Luke 2:52 that says "Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men." Therefore, at this point in his ministry he could say He did not know the day nor hour of His return. It is not a denial of His being God, but a confirmation of Him being man.


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Yep Let Scripture answer for itself. clappa
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I know the Bibles. I've read five of the popular English versions from the "FICTION" section of my library.

They all seem to contradict either each other or common sense in general.

If I were you, I'd stop looking in a bible for the answers because you won't find them.

What you will find is a few nice quotes and fables amongst a shit load of paranoia and self doubt.

islampeace
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
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the word image from latin. im is in or on age is a process

which is roughly my gathering. is simply meant "in his image" means on human kind there was placed a process.
i find things much more interesting if we can really gather the meaning of words.
"sin" for me means knowledge and not just carnal. i am sure many will disagree and i am not here to make you agree or disagree just do a bit deeper digging.
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
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to answer your second question first.... Jesus did not know the day or the hour during his time on Earth. but, he knows now.

God sees all sin. He will not be present among it are a part of it, but he sees it even before it takes place. Jesus is God, they are the same. Jesus is God made flesh and it is the flesh of God that took the sins of the world. The perfect atonement and love for His creation.
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


You are right I am wrong according to your reality.
Remember As a man thinketh...so is he more power to your ego.
Just remember all religions are correct yet none are.

Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 01/06/2013 02:34 PM
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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The power and number of 3 is a great thing we seem to be over looking as well as the holy spirit.
Jesus was supposed to have been 33 1/3 years old when he died and there are three points on the cross as well as many other things you could see that relate to a third thing or item that we are overlooking in our lives that Jesus was privy to.
I would call the pyramids in one of those but it has 4 sides to it,but if you look at it from just one side,it appears to have 3 points to it.

what are we missing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward

Can I asked where you read about Jesus being 33 1/3 years old?
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


You are right I am wrong according to your reality.
Remember As a man thinketh...so is he more power to your ego.
Just remember all religions are correct yet none are.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

I dont trust in self as you, I trust the words of the Lord are pure and true
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
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If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


You are right I am wrong according to your reality.
Remember As a man thinketh...so is he more power to your ego.
Just remember all religions are correct yet none are.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

I dont trust in self as you, I trust the words of the Lord are pure and true
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


No you trust that infallible man has preserved translated and kept God's word which is completely outrageous position. I don't trust in my self I trust in all Gods but no Gods because I know nothing but everything yet nothing.
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise
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ego has nothing to do with it.
my ego wants to be its own god.
as does yours and every human in the world
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When Jesus Died on the cross and took on the sins of mankind did God the Father have to turn away and not look at his son because he is to HOLY to look upon sin, but yet Jesus could not only look upon sin but also take on all sin of mankind and it be nailed to the cross with him ?

And then again the question arises, if Jesus is God or Co equal to God The Father, Why does the bible tell us that no man knows the day nor the hour of his return not even the SON but only God The FATHER if Jesus is God or equal to his Father?

BTW Im not a JW or claim any "religion" Just a Followr of the Gospel is all
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24056251


The people of Israel have always called humans "children of God" ergo all men are sons of God and all women daughters.
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
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If you think so ...more power to your ego nobody is going to convince you otherwise
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ego has nothing to do with it.
my ego wants to be its own god.
as does yours and every human in the world
 Quoting: Salt


Ego never admits anything
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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How does one continue to follow a holy book so full of contradictions?
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there are no contradictions in holy scripture.
only human error in interpretation
 Quoting: Salt


So explain this...

Why did "God" mark Cain for all to see when according to the Bible, there were only 4 people on the Earth at that time?

Who is the ALL would have seen the mark?
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Is not God love according to your belief
and is not Jesus God and he proclaims to be the way the truth and the life. Love is the way the truth the way and the life because Jesus is God and God is love.It's simple comprehension.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

God is Light according to my belief, you have a perverted view of what true love is and probably think Hitler made his own way to heaven

Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781997


8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

The greek word is agape not a perverted form of love where Hitler is in heaven or a free-love hippie orgy. If you love sin you wont make it. God's love is pure
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
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If you think so..
REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85
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